India's tour of West Indies June 2011

[sami ullah khan]

Looks like 200 is equivalent to a 400 for west Indian Batting line up. They are in danger of conceding first innings lead even with a moderate total to chase.
Bishoo has been very impressive. Indians are the best players of Spin and to perform against them as a spinner at such an early stage of one's career, is no small achievement. I did not rate his performances against Pakistan much for obvious reasons but he is doing great now.

 

[shravi]

If India had sent their best team on this tour and things were perfect in the Windies set-up and they also were picking their best teams.

The battle that we have seen in the first two test on these bouncy Jamaican & Barbados pitches intially with the Tendulkar & co vs a potential 4 prong windies attack of Taylor/Roach/Edwards/Rampaul would have been wonderful test cricket.

But otherwise Indians reserve batsmen are being well exposed on this tour, England much more disciplined attack will be looking on @ proceeding here and licking their lips i would say.

The key word being reserve.

Mukund, Vijay, Kohli and Raina. That's 4 out of 7 batsmen that aren't regulars.

Even look at the bowling attack. Mishra, Mithun and Praveen aren't regulars. That's 2/4 in both test matches.

They can lick their lips all they like and they may well go on to win the series but they'd be stupid to do it right now because they will not be coming up against the majority of these batsmen (and perhaps half of these bowlers too). Dravid had a superb first test and Laxman has proven himself in difficult circumstances in this test. Dhoni is the only regular batsman that has been worrying from an Indian perspective, going on this tour of the West Indies alone.

 

[War]

The key word being reserve.

Mukund, Vijay, Kohli and Raina. That's 4 out of 7 batsmen that aren't regulars.

Even look at the bowling attack. Mishra, Mithun and Praveen aren't regulars. That's 2/4 in both test matches.

They can lick their lips all they like and they may well go on to win the series but they'd be stupid to do it right now because they will not be coming up against the majority of these batsmen (and perhaps half of these bowlers too). Dravid had a superb first test and Laxman has proven himself in difficult circumstances in this test. Dhoni is the only regular batsman that has been worrying from an Indian perspective, going on this tour of the West Indies alone.

Even when Gambhir, Sehwag, Khan come back i am not worried about IND to be honest.

Sehwag problems against quality quick bowling in bowler friendly conditions is well documented. So i'd be backing England to keep him quiet this summer.

Gambhir also needs to prove his decent showing in SA is no fluke.

Im reserving judgement on Dravid. We all know he has been struggling against the the top teams bowling attacks for the last 4 years & if he was caught by Sammy in the 1st test, we would be still talking about how scratchy he is looking.

Dhoni is a hit & miss batsman vs good bowling attacks.

Plus one of the vulnerable youngsters in Kohli, Raina, Pujura will take up the # 6 spot.

So basically as the case was in S Africa it will just be Tendy & Laxman who pose the threat with the bat. While Zaheer will bowl well & will test Strauss, so ENG just have to watch him & cash in on the other bowlers.

 

[cricketlover172]

Even when Gambhir, Sehwag, Khan come back i am not worried about IND to be honest.

Sehwag problems against quality quick bowling in bowler friendly conditions is well documented. So i'd be backing England to keep him quiet this summer.

Gambhir also needs to prove his decent showing in SA is no fluke.

Im reserving judgement on Dravid. We all know he has been struggling against the the top teams bowling attacks for the last 4 years & if he was caught by Sammy in the 1st test, we would be still talking about how scratchy he is looking.

Dhoni is a hit & miss batsman vs good bowling attacks.

Plus one of the vulnerable youngsters in Kohli, Raina, Pujura will take up the # 6 spot.

So basically as the case was in S Africa it will just be Tendy & Laxman who pose the threat with the bat. While Zaheer will bowl well & will test Strauss, so ENG just have to watch him & cash in on the other bowlers.

England don't need to show that their Ashes victory was not a fluke. So who scored runs against quality quick bowling ? Jack Hobbs.

Didn't England lose test series in WI last time ?
And Gambhir a fluke ? The biggest fluke is Trott and Cook.

From an Indian perspective we should not be worried of the English team that is on par with Bangladesh in their record against India.

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If India had sent their best team on this tour and things were perfect in the Windies set-up and they also were picking their best teams.

The battle that we have seen in the first two test on these bouncy Jamaican & Barbados pitches intially with the Tendulkar & co vs a potential 4 prong windies attack of Taylor/Roach/Edwards/Rampaul would have been wonderful test cricket.

But otherwise Indians reserve batsmen are being well exposed on this tour, England much more disciplined attack will be looking on @ proceeding here and licking their lips i would say.

Didn't England lose their test series last time they toured WI ?

How disciplined English attack is has been exposed against SL . Beat a side without Murali 1-0.

We all saw last summer how English batsman are against quality swing bowling . Bunch of flat track bullies and minnow-bashers.

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If English attack is so disciplined , why were they the worst attack in the WC ?
Ireland blasted their attack to pieces.

And Dravid despite being out of form is ranked higher than Pietersen. The WI attack is better than SL attack.

Ian Bell is Zaheer khan's bunny. 5 times in 10 innings. Strauss is out of form.

So it is virtually Cook and Trott , that may pose little bit threat. England are overhyped team by their deluded fans.
In bowling Tremlett is the one to fear. We all kinow the average of Swann and Anderson against IND,OZ and SA.

 

[shravi]

...and there's my reason for not indulging in pre-series "trash talk" (if I can call it that). It can, and knowing my luck, probably will, blow up in my face. Just enjoy the cricket and let the rest take care of itself. I can't predict the future, and I don't know anyone that can .

 

[Gurjot95]

OMG, just wait for the series to start and we will know ourselves. I remember we had similar talk before South Africa series and we all know what the result was.

 

[War]

England don't need to show that their Ashes victory was not a fluke.

They are in the process of doing that currently. In case you didnt realize the SRI test series was their 1st series after the Ashes triumph oh fine sir.

So who scored runs against quality quick bowling ? Jack Hobbs.

What?

Didn't England lose test series in WI last time ?

If you have been following England teams fortunes over the last 5 years. It would fairly obvious that the England team that lost 1-0 in the Caribbean in 2009, is by no means comparable to team right now.

So many of the players have taken their games to another level & the entire team management has changed. Its a chalk & cheese comparison, so your point is invalid on every account here.

And Gambhir a fluke ? The biggest fluke is Trott and Cook.

I never said Gambhir is a fluke. Kindly read again.

From an Indian perspective we should not be worried of the English team that is on par with Bangladesh in their record against India.

:HAAAAAAAAA. I will definitely enjoy your banter when the test series starts.

How disciplined English attack is has been exposed against SL . Beat a side without Murali 1-0.

Haa surely you must have been watching a different test series than everyone else on planet earth if you are seriously suggesting that the ENG attack was exposed against SRI, what in gods glorious name have you been smoking.

If it wasnt for rain England could have won that series 2-0 or 3-0. Even the lone regular Sri Lankan fan on this website admitted that as much:

http://www.planetcricket.org/forums/2140050-post528.html

http://www.planetcricket.org/forums/2140281-post534.html

I have been quite disappointed with sri lanka overall. maybe the fact that their bowling never really got on top of england at any point drained the fight from the batsmen but I expected more from them.

tbh the 1-0 scoreline is only justified because in 2007 england escaped with a 1-0 defeat that was similarly one sided. apart from that there's no other way to say sri lanka deserve to go home only losing by one match.

no, I was saying sri lanka deserved to lose by more, probably 2-0. I was just noting that ironically england were similarly out played 4 years ago but went home only losing 1-0.

We all saw last summer how English batsman are against quality swing bowling . Bunch of flat track bullies and minnow-bashers.

The way Aamir/Asif/Gul/Riaz/Ajmal bowled last summer in ENG would have owned any batting line-up in world cricket. So ENG batsmen have no shame, since id argue that testing put them in good stead for their Ashes victory.

India's bowling attack will not be as good as PAK last summer, even with the presence of Zaheer.

They are no FTBs in the ENG top 7 anymore. All of them at some point in their careers has scored good runs against quality bowling attacks in testing conditions. Dont make me have to bring out the list on you...
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If English attack is so disciplined , why were they the worst attack in the WC ?
Ireland blasted their attack to pieces.

Because ODI form is not relevant to test cricket. Very common cricket knowledge.

And Dravid despite being out of form is ranked higher than Pietersen. The WI attack is better than SL attack.

How is Pietersen relevant to what i said about Dravid???

Ian Bell is Zaheer khan's bunny. 5 times in 10 innings. Strauss is out of form.

Yes Bell has a average record vs Zaheer. But its pretty obvious Bell is different batsmen from the last time Zaheer bowled to him in tests. Everyone knows this.

Strauss of course yes has to deal with his nemesis & issues he has with left-armers vs Zaheer.

So it is virtually Cook and Trott , that may pose little bit threat. England are overhyped team by their deluded fans.

No. England are rated very fairly by its fans & the majority of us (95%) rate our teams current progress on a humble basis. You cannot use the views of minority of ENG fans who may be over hyping us right now, so judge as the basic of the views of the majority. That is ludicrous reasoning.

In bowling Tremlett is the one to fear. We all kinow the average of Swann and Anderson against IND,OZ and SA.

Ha Swann average against OZ & SA. Clearly you were in mars in the recent Ashes & when England toured S Africa in 2009/10.

Anderson average vs AUS?. Who was that guy who took 24 wickets in 5 test @ 26 then?????. My god your insane.

Plus i dont think the concept "players get better overtime" is alien to you. Since if you have been following Anderson & Swann's careers it would be painstakingly obvious that they have improved leaps & bounds since they last played S Africa & India in tests.

 

[cricketlover172]

They are in the process of doing that currently. In case you didnt realize the SRI test series was their 1st series after the Ashes triumph oh fine sir.



What?




If you have been following England teams fortunes over the last 5 years. It would fairly obvious that the England team that lost 1-0 in the Caribbean in 2009, is by no means comparable to team right now.

So many of the players have taken their games to another level & the entire team management has changed. Its a chalk & cheese comparison, so your point is invalid on every account here.



I never said Gambhir is a fluke. Kindly read again.




:HAAAAAAAAA. I will definitely enjoy your banter when the test series starts.








Haa surely you must have been watching a different test series than everyone else on planet earth if you are seriously suggesting that the ENG attack was exposed against SRI, what in gods glorious name have you been smoking.

If it wasnt for rain England could have won that series 2-0 or 3-0. Even the lone regular Sri Lankan fan on this website admitted that as much:

http://www.planetcricket.org/forums/2140050-post528.html

http://www.planetcricket.org/forums/2140281-post534.html





The way Aamir/Asif/Gul/Riaz/Ajmal bowled last summer in ENG would have owned any batting line-up in world cricket. So ENG batsmen have no shame, since id argue that testing put them in good stead for their Ashes victory.

India's bowling attack will not be as good as PAK last summer, even with the presence of Zaheer.

They are no FTBs in the ENG top 7 anymore. All of them at some point in their careers has scored good runs against quality bowling attacks in testing conditions. Dont make me have to bring out the list on you...
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Because ODI form is not relevant to test cricket. Very common cricket knowledge.



How is Pietersen relevant to what i said about Dravid???




Yes Bell has a average record vs Zaheer. But its pretty obvious Bell is different batsmen from the last time Zaheer bowled to him in tests. Everyone knows this.

Strauss of course yes has to deal with his nemesis & issues he has with left-armers vs Zaheer.




No. England are rated very fairly by its fans & the majority of us (95%) rate our teams current progress on a humble basis. You cannot use the views of minority of ENG fans who may be over hyping us right now, so judge as the basic of the views of the majority. That is ludicrous reasoning.



Ha Swann average against OZ & SA. Clearly you were in mars in the recent Ashes & when England toured S Africa in 2009/10.

Anderson average vs AUS?. Who was that guy who took 24 wickets in 5 test @ 26 then?????. My god your insane.

Plus i dont think the concept "players get better overtime" is alien to you. Since if you have been following Anderson & Swann's careers it would be painstakingly obvious that they have improved leaps & bounds since they last played S Africa & India in tests.

So you have forgotten that the same concept of "players get better overtime" applies to Indian bench strength too, who have been playing test match outside sub-continent first time in their career.

Well if you think that Indian team that is playing in WI is comparable to Original Indian team, then England team of 2009 is also comparable to the team that is now.

Talking about SA , weren't you 1 wicket away from being handed 3-1 series loss.

Dravid's form has every bit relation with Pietersen. Because despite being out of form, he is still ranked higher than Pietersen who will play against India.

Yes this record against best bowlers last decade shows that. All are flat track and weak bowling bully.
Batting records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPN Cricinfo

Rain is the reason, English attack was bowling well. We all know their performance in sunny conditions. Had it not been for cloud cover in Cardiff, the series could well have been 0-0 draw.


As i said England team has nothing to threaten India. Hope you win a series against us atleast at home.
And don't tell me after the series that it is Ashes which you care about when you are not able to best us.

 

[WubbaLubbaDubDub]

Why do we talk about the next series here and insult the current on going?
Please mods move all the banter to the appropriate series thread.

Why do West Indies make batting so difficult? 200 score seems like 400 as someone above said. Ishant has bowled beautifully and Praveen has secured his place to for upcoming away tours. What swing is he generating. This match will be over in 4 days

 

[SaiSrini]

If India had sent their best team on this tour and things were perfect in the Windies set-up and they also were picking their best teams.

The battle that we have seen in the first two test on these bouncy Jamaican & Barbados pitches intially with the Tendulkar & co vs a potential 4 prong windies attack of Taylor/Roach/Edwards/Rampaul would have been wonderful test cricket.

But otherwise Indians reserve batsmen are being well exposed on this tour, England much more disciplined attack will be looking on @ proceeding here and licking their lips i would say.

England will play against Sehwag, Gambhir, Tendulkar and Zaheer. If they are licking their lips seeing this WI tour of India, better they be ready to be smacked on their lips. This WI tour is huge exposure for India's reserve batsmen like Kohli, Mukund, Vijay, etc. This tour is Raina's defining point. He will be the first choice to play at Lord's and the Pujara's and Kohli's will have to wait for an injury or a retirement (or a dip in Raina's form).

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Even when Gambhir, Sehwag, Khan come back i am not worried about IND to be honest.

Sehwag problems against quality quick bowling in bowler friendly conditions is well documented. So i'd be backing England to keep him quiet this summer.

Gambhir also needs to prove his decent showing in SA is no fluke.

Im reserving judgement on Dravid. We all know he has been struggling against the the top teams bowling attacks for the last 4 years & if he was caught by Sammy in the 1st test, we would be still talking about how scratchy he is looking.

Dhoni is a hit & miss batsman vs good bowling attacks.

Plus one of the vulnerable youngsters in Kohli, Raina, Pujura will take up the # 6 spot.

So basically as the case was in S Africa it will just be Tendy & Laxman who pose the threat with the bat. While Zaheer will bowl well & will test Strauss, so ENG just have to watch him & cash in on the other bowlers.

India have unearthed a good test bowler for swinging conditions in Praveen Kumar, Ishant Sharma is back with good pace and control, these two with Zaheer should be enough to cause England lot of problems.

If you go into what if's, India also can do that. India had so many decisions go against them this series (now dont say you didnt chose DRS, its going to be on for the England series). Dravid looked good in the first innings of the first test itself (he scored a 40 there). Apart from that dropped catch, he has looked superb in that whole test. Gambhir proved that he was no fluke in SA itself. He had already played match saving innings and match winning ones before that tour. You just seem intent on trying to prove that India wont do well anywhere even though you know they are capable of doing well. Stop whining!

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Why do we talk about the next series here and insult the current on going?
Please mods move all the banter to the appropriate series thread.

Why do West Indies make batting so difficult? 200 score seems like 400 as someone above said. Ishant has bowled beautifully and Praveen has secured his place to for upcoming away tours. What swing is he generating. This match will be over in 4 days

Praveen and Ishant have been superb this tour. Yes, both of them are securing their places up for the tough upcoming away tours. I am excited at the prospect of seeing Praveen bowl in England.

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As i said England team has nothing to threaten India. Hope you win a series against us atleast at home.
And don't tell me after the series that it is Ashes which you care about when you are not able to best us.

I wont rule that out. For them and the Aussies, its all about the Ashes when they don't do well (well barring a few sensible Aussie and English fans whom I don't wish to disrespect).

 

[shravi]

Just so you know, this is the India-West Indies thread...

 

[cricket_icon]

Okaaaaay....back to the series in hand. Sharma is bowling well but I really don't like how Kumar and Mithun are handling their own form. They don't look too good in all honesty. India's batting has been on and off...mostly off but it can be forgiven because we are not seeing the top guys in this series.

There are some positive the Winides can take, mainly that their bowling has been superb, not only here but against Pak too. Imagine if Roach was playing, along with Taylor. Good attack, with the added bonus of Bishoo.

 

[WubbaLubbaDubDub]

The Dhoni dismal is the best example why India was against the DRS. If some of you don't know what I am talking about then here it is.

Dhoni was caught and that ball was given as no ball first and umpire signalled it too. Then he went upstairs suddenly and the footage shown to third umpire was the footage of other ball and then the no ball was reversed and dhoni was given out.

If you want technology then what ████ is this? Wrong footage? Are you serious? Tony tried to defend the Ten Cricket channel but I think this is real shame on technology part. So what now? Technology can be tempered?

 

[angryangy]

Sounds like a human error to me

 

[WubbaLubbaDubDub]

Tony and Arun lal said this could be a simple human errror or done it purposely.
My point is even if it is human error then surely DRS is faulty. Its better to have umpire human errors.