Looking towards the ODI's

[MUFC1987]

It's the strategy going out the window for England which I'm most worried about. We got very good at T20s and even winning the world cup with 5 specialist bowlers. I mean, we even had Bresnan at 7 as I remember it. Yet now we're trying to get through 4 overs from Bopara, Wright and Root, none of which are good enough as specialist bowlers. They went for what, 70 runs in 4 overs? If we have a specialist who even goes for 40, we would have been chasing 220, which is a lot more possible.

Buttler coming in at 7 is a waste of everyone's time too. The one guy who can clear the ropes doesn't walk in until we need 20 an over. Giles has been a disaster as Coach so far. We're going backwards under his leadership.

 

[Aislabie]

Couldn't agree with you more about Ashley Giles. Has he won anything yet?

 

[Owzat]

Buttler coming in at 7 is a waste of everyone's time too. The one guy who can clear the ropes doesn't walk in until we need 20 an over. Giles has been a disaster as Coach so far. We're going backwards under his leadership.

England have been rigid in their batting order for many many years, it isn't just the wheelie bin.

The only "flexibility" they show is sending in a nightwatchman and I'm not sure that qualifies since it is a "tactic" of batting cowardice and is almost like a default inflexible alternate batting order for when there are X overs left in the day ie everyone can see it coming and the advantages and disadvantages are there for those who can and don't not want to see them

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Was just looking at the split of Finch's 14 sixes, he hit EVERYONE

Finn (2) = 12/45
Broad (2) = 12/47
Dernbach (1) = 6/34
Briggs (3) = 18/51, all sixes in the one over
Bopara (1) = 6/15 in the one over bowled
Root (3) = 18/27 all in the one over bowled
Wright (2) = 12/27, both sixes in one over out of two bowled.

84 runs in sixes, hardly surprising he smashed so many runs at 2.48 a ball.

 

[vaibhavtewatia]

Am I the only one who thinks Alex Hales deserves a spot in the ODI's ? That's true he hasn't performed exceptionally in the Pro40 or FC, but his performance at the highest level have been noteworthy, averaging 35.5 at a S/R of over 130.

 

[Aislabie]

I've been thinking that. I reckon Alex Hales is one of those batsmen who rises to whatever challenge is put in front of him. And it's more like 39 now!

Also, I reckon Ireland'll win on Tuesday

 

[Owzat]

Hales looks a reasonable bat, although I'd say C5 understated his two "slightly streaky" shots that got him two fours early on - one off the edge and past the stumps on the leg side down to fine leg for four, the other a top edge that went up and over the keeper in the same direction. Either could have easily been out (bowled, or up in the air for a catch)

But dem's de breaks, he nearly made most of it. I thought England's chopping and changing which MUFC1987 was wanting backfired, Root down at #7 having made 90 batting #5 the previous T20I made little sense, Buttler is just making it look more and more like he's a good county basher but not up to it at international level.

If he needs to come in in a perfect situation for him then he's not the right man as there are many scenarios batsmen have to come in for and we can't pander to one man. I think we're trying to cram too many into the side that want to come in at the same time/scenario.

Decent win for England, two early wickets doing the real damage then a regular fall in the aussie innings. I'd take a punt on Hales and take him down under, especially if the selectors are considering backtracking on Compton since Hales is many years his junior with more career ahead.

While Compton may have a much better 1st Class average, 1st Class averages don't always make for a great Test player eg Ramprakash and Hick to name two who averaged over 50 in 1st Class cricket and Hick's Test average of 31.32 was the pick of the two. Sometimes it is simply those who can make the step up mentally, besides I'd love to see Hales get England off to a flier if only 2-3 times in the series and rattle the aussie bowlers

 

[barmyarmy]

Apparently Hales is ranked as the number 1 T20 player in the world. Amusing that Glenn Maxwell is worth $1m and Hales hasn't got a contract...

 

[CremerCurrans]

My big question is why on Earth has Ballance been left out of the Auustralia squad? He's the best middle-order bat in the country, aside from Bell and Pietersen.

He's walked out on England as well?

I can see him being a great batsmen for England. Could of been another Andy Flower for Zimbabwe, just doesn't have the keeping skills.

 

[sifter132]

2 points:
1) Thought Hales innings the other night was relatively low quality for a score that high. England scored about 5 boundaries past the keeper most of which were Hales. Seemed to miss the outfielders a lot too - would have been alright if he'd middled everything, but there were a lot of 'chunked', edgy shots that went for 4s. Also played airily into the outfield a couple of times. He's a talented kid, just didn't think he was at his best last night. And on his dismissal when Greg Blewett said he 'deserved a hundred' I almost threw the remote at the TV... Has there ever been someone who got out in the 90s that DIDNT deserve a hundred according to our illuminated commentators?!?
2) David Warner's just been dropped from the ODI squad, and it's about time the selectors noticed the struggle he's had to build an innings in ODIs. Plenty of options about anyway with Finch, Marsh, Hughes, Watson - that's 4 openers right there without Warner needed.

Squad: Michael Clarke (capt), George Bailey, Fawad Ahmed, Nathan Coulter-Nile, James Faulkner, Aaron Finch, Josh Hazlewood, Phillip Hughes, Mitchell Johnson, Shaun Marsh, Glenn Maxwell, Clint McKay, Adam Voges, Matthew Wade (wk), Shane Watson.

 

[MUFC1987]

Hales looks a reasonable bat, although I'd say C5 understated his two "slightly streaky" shots that got him two fours early on - one off the edge and past the stumps on the leg side down to fine leg for four, the other a top edge that went up and over the keeper in the same direction. Either could have easily been out (bowled, or up in the air for a catch)

But dem's de breaks, he nearly made most of it. I thought England's chopping and changing which MUFC1987 was wanting backfired, Root down at #7 having made 90 batting #5 the previous T20I made little sense, Buttler is just making it look more and more like he's a good county basher but not up to it at international level.

If he needs to come in in a perfect situation for him then he's not the right man as there are many scenarios batsmen have to come in for and we can't pander to one man. I think we're trying to cram too many into the side that want to come in at the same time/scenario.

Decent win for England, two early wickets doing the real damage then a regular fall in the aussie innings. I'd take a punt on Hales and take him down under, especially if the selectors are considering backtracking on Compton since Hales is many years his junior with more career ahead.

While Compton may have a much better 1st Class average, 1st Class averages don't always make for a great Test player eg Ramprakash and Hick to name two who averaged over 50 in 1st Class cricket and Hick's Test average of 31.32 was the pick of the two. Sometimes it is simply those who can make the step up mentally, besides I'd love to see Hales get England off to a flier if only 2-3 times in the series and rattle the aussie bowlers

You've done well here. This whole post was obviously made just to wind me up right? Well, it's your lucky day, cos I'm biting.

On Buttler, he came in with one over to go. Much like he does in most games. Care to show me who else in the history of cricket has always come in in that position and done well? The answer will be nobody. I said he needed time to come in and play himself in. He didn't average over 50 for Somerset coming in with 5 overs to go in every game. If you brought KP in in the last 5 overs in every innings then he's not going to average 50 surprisingly. The England managements lack of knowledge is more the issue here. Just because Buttler can come in and clear ropes (which Bopara, Root etc struggle to do straight away) doesn't mean he's going to come off every time. Use some common sense here.

As for Hales, this really made me laugh by the way, he's got great potential as an England player in all forms of the game and very much deserves to be in the T20 side and pushing for the ODI side. But the Test side this winter? He's averaging less than 15 in the Championship this season. Get real.

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Oh, and just to make the point, I don't think Buttler should have come in earlier in that last T20. Wright and Morgan were good enough options before him. But to criticise him for getting out with 6 balls to go when he's been told to slog it, is madness.

 

[War]

Trying to recall when last England had two black players in their cricket team before Carberry & Jordan.

 

[vaibhavtewatia]

Trying to recall when last England had two black players in their cricket team before Carberry & Jordan.

Alex Tudor. Been more than 10 years ?

 

[ste_mc_efc]

Trying to recall when last England had two black players in their cricket team before Carberry & Jordan.

That's much more of a class issue than a race issue, though.

 

[Aislabie]

Trying to recall when last England had two black players in their cricket team before Carberry & Jordan.

Tudor & Butcher

 

[War]

That's much more of a class issue than a race issue, though.

Yea no racism. Majority of black people born after 1980 and the decline of the west indies as a cricket team just have no interest in cricket. It is still viewed as a posh sport.

If i'm being a bit cynical we can argue that Jordan really isn't a pure british black player even. He is West Indian that just has lived here long enough to get a passport. He has played first-class cricket for Barbados already.

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Tudor & Butcher

Ok well i guess that would be circa 2001 or 2002/03 Ashes then.