New Zealand tour of India (Sept-Oct 2016)

[Prithvi]

For people who are saying Rahul doesn't have patience, you lot haven't watched him play in domestic matches. He was so consistent, patient in all the seasons of Ranji Trophy he has played. Just go watch domestic matches. Don't rant about him by seeing only T20 matches. Also, even in internationals, he got his 3 centuries with SR of just around 50- 55. It's not patience to you people ? LOL

And Gambhir doesn't deserve to be selected ahead of Rahul. To be frank, there are many players who have done a better job than Gambhir in domestic league in past 2 years. For example, just look at Uthappa or Iyer. Considering the performance in domestic leagues, they deserve more chance than GG.

Yes, GG should be the back up opener instead of Dhawan ( if we are considering only GG and Dhawan ). But, he should never replace Rahul or Vijay in their current form.

You talk about domestic, I talk about the way he performed in international circuit.

Gambhir has the potential to control the things when things aren't in control, which comes only with enormous experience. With England and Australia touring (and the quality of bowling they have), India should be looking to make sure we have proper opener, instead of someone who is fairly new to such things. Agreed, if he isn't exposed now in home conditions, it'll be difficult for Rahul to do it in away conditions. But team comes first, not Gambhir or Rahul.

Indian team lags experienced cricketers who can control the situation when things go wrong. Of late, things have never gone wrong, but that doesn't mean we can take things from granted. The way Rahul tried to play against New Zealand and got out, that is what scares me.

Also remember Mike Hussey? He couldn't make it into the famous Australian line up even though he was a great domestic player. When there was some room for him, he came and cemented his spot.

There are many players like Manish Pandey, who seldom got chances. Manish Pandey was in great form in 2010 before ZA home test series. Unfit Rohit Sharma was roped into the squad because he had more experience. He remained unfit for the match, and as a result, we had to play Wriddhimann Saha as specialist batsmen.

^^ I would use Rahul the inexperienced guy get experienced. Remember Gambhir too "improved" while playing international. No one comes perfect from Domestic scenario

What do you mean by too "improved"? Sarcasm huh? No one comes perfect from domestic, but no one replaces someone who is better at doing certain things.

Inexperienced? Selectors chose the best 15 men to represent us at that time. They all had enough experiance of playing ODI cricket. It's just that we happened to come against Steve Smith AGAIN in the sem-final. Don't tell me you wanted Yuvraj or Gambhir in that squad because they didn't do anything to warrant their selection at that point of time. We can't just keep giving chances to the guys based on their past reputation. We have to move on.

Telling "We didn't have enough experience" to face the situation is entirely different from telling "Gautam Gambhir or Yuvraj were experienced enough to win semi final against Australia" and I told former sentence.

And yes- they were the then 15 best men from India, but that doesn't erase the fact that they were not properly experienced in Australian conditions when compared to Gauti and Yuvi, although both of them were not in form.

Bottom line: Don't derive things from what I say. That is an example I quoted to show where we failed (failed as in, we had no other option but to fail) in the past.

Post Scriptum: I'm a great fan of KL Rahul. These are just my opinions on longer formats. Don't derive an opinion that I hate KL Rahul or Karnataka or RCB. I'm from Karnataka and these are my views on a player.

 

[Yash.]

it'll be difficult for Rahul to do it in away conditions. But team comes first, not Gambhir or Rahul.

Bro all his centuries have come away from home... 1 in Australia 1 or 2 in Sri Lanka (the same place where the mighty aussies couldn't bat properly) and Wi

 

[Aalay]

but that doesn't erase the fact that they were not properly experienced in Australian conditions when compared to Gauti and Yuvi, although both of them were not in form.

Dude, those players were there 3 months before the World Cup due to our test series and tri-series. The players who weren't present in that test series or tri-series were there in India A's tour of Australia in 2014. They had enough experiance of playing on those Australian surfaces. As I said in my last post, it's just that we happen to come against a very strong Austrlian team and even more so against Steve Smith who just didn't look like he was going to get out against Indian bowlers.

 

[WubbaLubbaDubDub]

There is no point even arguing or discussing this. The sooner Indian fans realize that Yuvraj, Harbhajan, Gambhir are on a very fine line the better it is. I do not see Yuvraj making a comeback as he has already been back twice and hasnt performed well. Gambhir he can be the third opener after Rahul and Vijay. No matter how Rahul played his shots against New Zealand he looked absolutely fantastic. We sidelined Mukund quickly we cannot do that just to accommodate Gambhir to get his experience. Yes if it was Dhawan vs Gambhir currently I would prefer Gambhir but against KL Rahul I would prefer a younger head taking the pressure. I am pretty sure in England/Australia/South Africa Gambhir will fail.

This also applies to Dhoni, although we do not have a hitter at 5/6/7 or finisher but Dhoni cant decide he will be in team till 2019 WC. He fails till Champions Trophy he should really make way. We have Samson and many others who are no doubt 50% of Dhoni (he gives amazing keeping/batting/captaincy when in full flow) is but can take over.

We have to look into future as currently we have no freaking ODI plans going ahead to Champions Trophy. We just play 5 vs NZ & 3 vs England ODI's coming up. How the hell will we test our team? Its really pity seeing we are struggling with Finisher's.

ODI team

Rohit Sharma
KL Rahul/Dhawan/Rahane
Kohli
Pandey/Jadav/Rahane
Dhoni
Raina/Jadav/Pandey
Pandya
Ashwin
Jadeja
Shami
Yadav/Bumrah

I do not like Axar Patel he has nothing special about him at all. Wish we had someone like Yusuf Pathan or any big hitter in form but Yuvraj/Gambhir or Harbhajan are not the way

 

[Yash.]

I do not like Axar Patel he has nothing special about him at all.

But he has performed well in The South Africa series and this years IPL (Excluding the last match because Dhoni will not be against him now). He took a hattrick and gave useful cameos at the end..

 

[WubbaLubbaDubDub]

Still he is hit and miss kind of player like how Yusuf Pathan was. Jadeja is way better then him

 

[Samarth27.09]

I do not like Axar Patel he has nothing special about him at all. Wish we had someone like Yusuf Pathan or any big hitter in form but Yuvraj/Gambhir or Harbhajan are not the way

I echo @parthkadakia . There are many players in india who are far better than Axar Patel.

 

[WubbaLubbaDubDub]

So Rahane to open with Sharma & Jadav Pandey both in side which looks good. Here's wishing both of them good luck and hope they really shine this series if need may be. Looking at Champions Trophy we have

1) Sharma
2) Spot open for KL Rahul/Dhawan/Rahane
3) Kohli
4) Spot Open Rahane/Pandey
5) Dhoni
6) Spot Open Pandey/Raina/Jadav
7) Pandya/Jadeja
8) Ashwin
9) Shami
10) Yadav
11) Bumrah

3 open spots and we need to fix those spots soon.

 

[Prithvi]

Bro all his centuries have come away from home... 1 in Australia 1 or 2 in Sri Lanka (the same place where the mighty aussies couldn't bat properly) and Wi

As I already told, I'm not denying the fact that he has enormus talent. I'm telling- he needs to build his patience levels, which has been the major concern of late. It needs to be done in domestic circuit, not in the international level.

And- he has just scored 3 centuries, not 30. Judging him based on those 3 centuries is risky.

Dude, those players were there 3 months before the World Cup due to our test series and tri-series. The players who weren't present in that test series or tri-series were there in India A's tour of Australia in 2014. They had enough experiance of playing on those Australian surfaces. As I said in my last post, it's just that we happen to come against a very strong Austrlian team and even more so against Steve Smith who just didn't look like he was going to get out against Indian bowlers.

You mean three months experience is enough for players to get acclimatized to the situation? I don't think so. Anyways lets discuss this somewhere else because it is not the correct place to talk about world cup 2015.

There is no point even arguing or discussing this. The sooner Indian fans realize that Yuvraj, Harbhajan, Gambhir are on a very fine line the better it is. I do not see Yuvraj making a comeback as he has already been back twice and hasnt performed well. Gambhir he can be the third opener after Rahul and Vijay. No matter how Rahul played his shots against New Zealand he looked absolutely fantastic. We sidelined Mukund quickly we cannot do that just to accommodate Gambhir to get his experience. Yes if it was Dhawan vs Gambhir currently I would prefer Gambhir but against KL Rahul I would prefer a younger head taking the pressure. I am pretty sure in England/Australia/South Africa Gambhir will fail.

This also applies to Dhoni, although we do not have a hitter at 5/6/7 or finisher but Dhoni cant decide he will be in team till 2019 WC. He fails till Champions Trophy he should really make way. We have Samson and many others who are no doubt 50% of Dhoni (he gives amazing keeping/batting/captaincy when in full flow) is but can take over.

When you don't have anything to say, you say "There is no point even arguing or discussing this." Good.

 

[WubbaLubbaDubDub]

When you don't have anything to say, you say "There is no point even arguing or discussing this." Good.

I just wrote a hell of other things.

 

[Prithvi]

There is no point even arguing or discussing this.

I just wrote a hell of other things.

Catch 22 illustrated.

You say there is no point in discussing and still you put your opinions.

I ignored your post as soon as I read you felt there is no point in even arguing or discussing.

 

[WubbaLubbaDubDub]

Ross Taylor is in one horrendous form. Indian quickies have really hit the nail hard. Yadav bowling so beautifully & Pandya wow!

 

[Jukebox Romeo]

Surely maiden centuries from Neesham, and Santner...That's still on the cards right, right?..... Please....

 

[WubbaLubbaDubDub]

Tom Latham is playing really well. He is the only batsman who seems to have adjusted to that bounce. Gavaskar called it a road in press conference I do not know why? The pitch has shown some good bounce and seam of the wicket. Its kind of work hard towards a good total kind of pitch.

 

[WubbaLubbaDubDub]

6th wicket down and its safe to say India have won the match Dozing off to sleep then 5.31 in the morning already