New Zealand tour of India (Sept-Oct 2016)

[WubbaLubbaDubDub]

Well well 7 down, I am seriously shocked how New Zealand have played. Some exceptional Bowling and some stupid rash shots. It seems Kedar Jadav took some serious bowling practice under Kumble a day before. Dhoni always likes a part timer like Raina/Sharma. If Jadav is long term then he is already looking good.

 

[Neo 7]

Surely maiden centuries from Neesham, and Santner...That's still on the cards right, right?..... Please....

Please
Out to Kedar Jadhav

 

[Jukebox Romeo]

Pretty much the complete opposite of the maiden centuries I was hoping for.

I know that NZC is focused on sussing Latham as a long term all format opener but what would the chances of them giving him a go as keeper to free up the middle order and rid it of the deadweight that is Luke Ronchi's place in the team? Especially since Anderson can't bowl at the moment. It would make room for an extra bowling option.

 

[AliB]

Eight, ah never expected the Kiwi team to be so easy in one days add well.

 

[Aalay]

You mean three months experience is enough for players to get acclimatized to the situation? I don't think so.

Do you really feel that spending 3 months in Australia right before the WC does not give enough experiance to players to get acclimatized to the conditions? That is one of the most ridiculous thing I have read in a while. As an International cricket player, one part of your job is to adjust to different conditions as quickly as possible. If they can't get acclimatized to the conditions in 3 months playing all around Australia, they are definitely not International cricketers then.

 

[Aalay]

On the match today, it was good to see fast bowlers stepping up in helpful conditions. Dharamshala is the only Indian ground where the conditions are not traditionally Indian because of the bounce and sideways movement that you get. Hardik and Umesh started very well and probably titled the match in India's favour in the first 10 overs. It was heartening to see Hardik bowling the way he did with some good pace. He needs to be given as much exposure as possible because we don't have anyone like him and we really need him in those English condition next year for champions trophy. So it's good to see Dhoni backing him which sure will provide him with great confidence. Spinners did well on the surface which is not suited to their bowling.

I was very happy to see the way Rahane batted today. He was aggressive from ball 1 and took on the short balls really well. Virat was amazing as always.

 

[Velocity]

We need Hardik Pandya, not crappy Stuart Binny. He can be the answer to the selectors who were looking for a pace bowling all-rounder for about 5 years now. Pandya has shown how useful he can be with the ball today. India just need him to perform well in the rest of the series for him to cement a spot for him for the pace allrounder ahead of Binny. I don't know why some people don't like Axar Patel. He may be a hit or miss player, but he's obviously going to learn as he's like 22. He's a useful hard hitting batsman in the lower order. Has the potential to be the one who get some runs in the end overs. Though he woun't get much chances unless Jaddu is injured.

 

[Prithvi]

Do you really feel that spending 3 months in Australia right before the WC does not give enough experiance to players to get acclimatized to the conditions? That is one of the most ridiculous thing I have read in a while. As an International cricket player, one part of your job is to adjust to different conditions as quickly as possible. If they can't get acclimatized to the conditions in 3 months playing all around Australia, they are definitely not International cricketers then.

When you compare players who have played 30 and 22 matches before World Cup with the ones who played not more than 14 games, you obviously know the ones who are better at business. Its just that those players who played 30 and 22 matches weren't in form, and hence our selectors decided to send the guys with fairly less experience, and it is difficult for the guys with comparatively lesser experience to acclimatize to the new conditions when you compare to the way the experienced candidates do.

No matter how much you try to support that they were 15 best men of India at that time (which even I agree upon) with enough experience to win a world cup, its the fact that they weren't fit enough to win world cup because they couldn't handle the pressure because they weren't experienced enough.

That is one of the most ridiculous thing I have read in a while.

Also, I find the "experiance" spelling of yours extremely ridiculous and annoying, but that doesn't mean I just try to express whatever I feel. Learn to respect others opinions first. We're here to discuss, not argue and win (win what?).

Also I'd really appreciate if we can put a full stop to this discussion in this thread. This was a mere example I gave to show the importance of lack of experience. This discussion is like booking a convention hall for a wedding that happened almost two years ago. If you're looking to continue this topic, please bump the World Cup 2015 threads- we shall discuss.

 

[Velocity]

Also, I find the "experiance" spelling of yours extremely ridiculous and annoying

 

[Targaryen]

Really happy with the way the boys performed yesterday. Each one deserves the win as every player has performed in the game. Really shocked to see Hardik bowling so well. I'm not surprised he has improved and learnt a lot from that tour against Australia. This team is so damn good against any team in the world. We can have Mandeep open the innings and move Rahane to no.5. He can bat in that position and can do wonders if he gets atleast 15-20 overs to bat. While Dhoni is also in favour of Rahul I don't see Dhawan coming back anytime soon.

Coming back to the game, Kohli was brilliant and showed some maturity against the best bowling unit in ODIs. Jadav was a surprise package. He deserves place in the team only on the basis of his bowling performances.

Lets not depend on experience altogather. An inexperienced team won us an ICC trophy. If pressure is the important aspect of the game to be worried about, then we would have lost the ICC Champions Trophy. It was a fresh squad who won us another trophy...

 

[WubbaLubbaDubDub]

Well its load of bullshit that only experienced players with many matches under them should be part of team. If you freaking dont give experience by bench sitting the players only to accommodate players like Yuvraj who have been so out of form. Also lets look at the players playing for WC 2015

India Squad / Players

• 
  MS DhoniCaptain/Keeper
  Age: 33 years 216 daysPlaying role: Wicketkeeper batsmanBatting: Right-hand batBowling: Right-arm medium
• 
  Ravichandran Ashwin
  Age: 28 years 144 daysPlaying role: Bowling allrounderBatting: Right-hand batBowling: Right-arm offbreak
• 
  Stuart Binny
  Age: 30 years 250 daysPlaying role: AllrounderBatting: Right-hand batBowling: Right-arm medium
• 
  Shikhar Dhawan
  Age: 29 years 65 daysPlaying role: Opening batsmanBatting: Left-hand batBowling: Right-arm offbreak
• 
  Ravindra Jadeja
  Age: 26 years 64 daysPlaying role: AllrounderBatting: Left-hand batBowling: Slow left-arm orthodox
• 
  Virat Kohli
  Age: 26 years 95 daysPlaying role: Middle-order batsmanBatting: Right-hand batBowling: Right-arm medium
• 
  Bhuvneshwar Kumar
  Age: 25 years 3 daysPlaying role: BowlerBatting: Right-hand batBowling: Right-arm medium
• 
  Mohammed Shami
  Age: 24 years 158 daysPlaying role: BowlerBatting: Right-hand batBowling: Right-arm fast-medium
• 
  Axar Patel
  Age: 21 years 19 daysPlaying role: Bowling allrounderBatting: Left-hand batBowling: Slow left-arm orthodox
• 
  Ajinkya Rahane
  Age: 26 years 247 daysPlaying role: Top-order batsmanBatting: Right-hand batBowling: Right-arm medium
• 
  Suresh Raina
  Age: 28 years 73 daysPlaying role: Middle-order batsmanBatting: Left-hand batBowling: Right-arm offbreak
• 
  Ambati Rayudu
  Age: 29 years 138 daysPlaying role: Middle-order batsmanBatting: Right-hand batBowling: Right-arm offbreak
• 
  Mohit Sharma
  Age: 26 years 143 daysPlaying role: BowlerBatting: Right-hand batBowling: Right-arm medium
• 
  Rohit Sharma
  Age: 27 years 284 daysPlaying role: Middle-order batsmanBatting: Right-hand batBowling: Right-arm offbreak
• 
  Umesh Yadav
  Age: 27 years 106 daysPlaying role: BowlerBatting: Right-hand batBowling: Right-arm fast-medium
• 
  Ishant SharmaWithdrawn Player
  Age: 26 years 159 daysPlaying role: BowlerBatting: Right-hand batBowling: Right-arm fast-medium

Except Axar Patel,Raydu & to an extent Mohit Sharma, all others had good experience not to forget won the ICC Champions Trophy. Who the fearsome tweak said KL Rahul is in the squad because he is from Karnataka or RCB who cares from where he is from? Anyways I really hope we never see Yuvraj,Harbhajan,Gambhir in ODI squad until they really outperform in domestic and when I say outperform I mean 3-4 centuries or 1000+ domestic runs in a season & not just one or two good matches.

I was completely fine with Gambhir in Test as he proved himself but saying Gambhir, Yuvraj would have had better impact due to experience on 2015 WC thats a big load of shit. Look what Yuvraj did in T20 WC finals against SL.

 

[Aalay]

No matter how much you try to support that they were 15 best men of India at that time (which even I agree upon) with enough experience to win a world cup, its the fact that they weren't fit enough to win world cup because they couldn't handle the pressure because they weren't experienced enough.

So you agree that they had enough experiance to win a world cup but then you end the sentence saying they weren't experienced enough. Also when you talk about them not being "fit enough", the current team we have is probably the fittest Indian team that I have ever watched. They couldn't handle the pressure? Well they did handle it pretty well to win all the games until the semi-final. That is after we lost the test series against Australia and didn't win any games in the tri-series just a month before the world cup. After that horrible performance in tri-series, most of us Indian cricket fans wouldn't have given this Indian team any chance in the world cup. However, they did overcome those expectations and performed very well until they again came short against Steve Smith who was just in a golden form.

Also, I find the "experiance" spelling of yours extremely ridiculous and annoying

See now this is the stuff you have to come up with when you run out of logic and sensible arguments. I was replying to your posts before because it actually made sense to certain extent even though I did not agree with it. However, you completely lost me with this high school banter.

 

[zwarrior]

So, if the player is not in form but he is experienced, he should be playing ( especially in big tournaments like WC ). And If the player is in form but not experienced, he should not be playing ? lol. It's ridiculous. How does a player get experience if he doesn't play ?

We sent the best men to WC and we lost in the semis. It is the only match we lost in WC. It was not a bad tournament.

 

[Prithvi]

So you agree that they had enough experiance to win a world cup but then you end the sentence saying they weren't experienced enough.

There is a certain reason for me inserting "(For which even I agree upon)" between two statements. I agree for the part which is in front, not after it.

Also when you talk about them not being "fit enough", the current team we have is probably the fittest Indian team that I have ever watched. They couldn't handle the pressure? Well they did handle it pretty well to win all the games until the semi-final. That is after we lost the test series against Australia and didn't win any games in the tri-series just a month before the world cup. After that horrible performance in tri-series, most of us Indian cricket fans wouldn't have given this Indian team any chance in the world cup. However, they did overcome those expectations and performed very well until they again came short against Steve Smith who was just in a golden form.

Just because they played well in 6 games before choking doesn't mean we were deserving winners or they had all the experience in this world.

It's the fact that we couldn't chase 300+ against Australia which we were expected to do with the batting depth.

See now this is the stuff you have to come up with when you run out of logic and sensible arguments. I was replying to your posts before because it actually made sense to certain extent even though I did not agree with it. However, you completely lost me with this high school banter.

Check the quote and see who started it all.

So, if the player is not in form but he is experienced, he should be playing ( especially in big tournaments like WC ). And If the player is in form but not experienced, he should not be playing ? lol. It's ridiculous. How does a player get experience if he doesn't play ?

We sent the best men to WC and we lost in the semis. It is the only match we lost in WC. It was not a bad tournament.

Read the entire conversation from where this started. This is NZ's tour of India thread and we are discussing why experienced person who is doing well has edge over the inexperienced youngster who still needs to improve.

We had no choice back then in world cup, and hence we sent fairly inexperienced team.

I'm not denying the fact that youngsters need some chances to gain experience. I'm not telling we should have sent Gauti or Yuvi and we could have won World Cup, I'm telling as Gauti is back in form let's make him a regular Indian member.

We already saw how a team could choke without experienced players. When you have provision of playing experienced players, why don't you do it. Almost all players in team are fairly inexperienced and you definitely need someone experienced when things go wrong. Until now, things have been under control, but when things go out of control, you just can't carry the regret the decision of benching an experienced player who could have made difference.

 

[Prithvi]

Lets not depend on experience altogather. An inexperienced team won us an ICC trophy. If pressure is the important aspect of the game to be worried about, then we would have lost the ICC Champions Trophy. It was a fresh squad who won us another trophy...

As long as you have things in control, you can do wonders with young sides. But having experienced players when you have them in form isn't a bad idea keeping worst case scenario in mind. This is what I'm concentrating on. I hope you get what I'm telling.