New Zealand tour of India (Sept-Oct 2016)

Who the fearsome tweak said KL Rahul is in the squad because he is from Karnataka or RCB who cares from where he is from?
Pardon my ignorance but "Who the fearsome tweak said KL Rahul is in the squad because he is from Karnataka or RCB?"

saying Gambhir, Yuvraj would have had better impact due to experience on 2015 WC thats a big load of shit. Look what Yuvraj did in T20 WC finals against SL.

And also pardon my ignorance once again but who the fearsome tweak said Gambhir, Yuvraj with their the then forms could have made a better impact in world cup?

PS: If you cannot understand my thoughts, it's not my problem.
 
Why blaming Steven Smith. :D
He played for his country like a champion.
 
Read the entire conversation from where this started. This is NZ's tour of India thread and we are discussing why experienced person who is doing well has edge over the inexperienced youngster who still needs to improve.

We had no choice back then in world cup, and hence we sent fairly inexperienced team.

I'm not denying the fact that youngsters need some chances to gain experience. I'm not telling we should have sent Gauti or Yuvi and we could have won World Cup, I'm telling as Gauti is back in form let's make him a regular Indian member.

We already saw how a team could choke without experienced players. When you have provision of playing experienced players, why don't you do it. Almost all players in team are fairly inexperienced and you definitely need someone experienced when things go wrong. Until now, things have been under control, but when things go out of control, you just can't carry the regret the decision of benching an experienced player who could have made difference.

Look, Rahul is playing very well. He is in great form in all the formats in both domestic and internationals. He was the main opener in the squad. ( I am ignoring Dhawan). GG is the back up opener. When Rahul gets back, GG should go back as back up opener. He should not replace in form Rahul. Even though GG is more experienced, Rahul's form is better right now. He has experience even in domestic cricket and he has played extensively in IPL. He CAN handle pressure situations. If you make Rahul sit, it will dent his confidence. It won't be fair.

You told Gauti is back in form and make him regular opener. But Rahul was always in form, and why should he sit out ? He earned his place because of his form and not because someone got injured. Rahul can handle pressure too. GG is a backup opener and he should be a backup opener. He should not replace any regular member.
 
Also when you talk about them not being "fit enough", the current team we have is probably the fittest Indian team that I have ever watched
Ever heard the quote "Survival of the fittest?" "Fit enough" doesn't mean literally being fit.
 
Rahul is playing very well. He is in great form in all the formats in both domestic and internationals.
The whole thing began because I don't see him ready for longer format at international circuit.

I'm not denying the fact that he has got enormous talent- but my whole point is, he isn't patient enough to build his innings. Although he showed some maturity, but his performances in last couple of matches are indicating he is taking things for granted and playing aggressive, which will end him up like Dhawan v2.0.

When Rahul gets back, GG should go back as back up opener. He should not replace in form Rahul. Even though GG is more experienced, Rahul's form is better right now. He has experience even in domestic cricket and he has played extensively in IPL. He CAN handle pressure situations. If you make Rahul sit, it will dent his confidence. It won't be fair.

Speaking about Rahul's confidence, if he is really concerned about his game, he should not feel down if he is actually benched for Gambhir, because the way he constructed his innings in the last two games he played, it wasn't the way one must do in test cricket. He needs to learn how to find those singles and twos, not how to score more boundaries and get high scores.

You told Gauti is back in form and make him regular opener. But Rahul was always in form, and why should he sit out ? He earned his place because of his form and not because someone got injured. Rahul can handle pressure too. GG is a backup opener and he should be a backup opener. He should not replace any regular member
He earned his place because of his domestic form and Dhawan lost his form. Rahul is just being tested as an opener, not a full time opener still.

Talking about denting the confidence, when Gambhir is back in form and carries experience as well, how do you think things will effect Gambhir's confidence if he is not being given chance when he is proving himself in domestic circuit that he is fit enough in the team?
 
The whole thing began because I don't see him ready for longer format at international circuit.

I'm not denying the fact that he has got enormous talent- but my whole point is, he isn't patient enough to build his innings. Although he showed some maturity, but his performances in last couple of matches are indicating he is taking things for granted and playing aggressive, which will end him up like Dhawan v2.0.

  1. I told this before. I am telling now. Go watch domestic matches. You will know his patience.
  2. He scored 3 centuries in tests with SR of 45-55 and his SR currently is 55. This is not patience ?
  3. Sehwag scored aggresively.
  4. And harsh that you are judging him only by last couple of matches and not his entire career! Anybody can have bad a match or two !

Speaking about Rahul's confidence, if he is really concerned about his game, he should not feel down if he is actually benched for Gambhir, because the way he constructed his innings in the last two games he played, it wasn't the way one must do in test cricket. He needs to learn how to find those singles and twos, not how to score more boundaries and get high scores.
Scoring and getting runs is important. It's not how you get it, it's whether you get it or no. And he is getting runs ! Again I take the reference of players like Sehwag, Baz.

He earned his place because of his domestic form and Dhawan lost his form. Rahul is just being tested as an opener, not a full time opener still.

Talking about denting the confidence, when Gambhir is back in form and carries experience as well, how do you think things will effect Gambhir's confidence if he is not being given chance when he is proving himself in domestic circuit that he is fit enough in the team?

Dude. See these two sentences 'Gambhir is back in form' . 'Rahul was always in form'. Why should Rahul sit ? Why should he make way for GG when Rahul is already playing well?

Did Rahul lose form ? NO
Is Rahul scoring ? YES

Then, why the #### should he sit for so called Gambhir's new form ? And by the way, GG played well only in last 3 FC matches. Not whole freaking season. Look at past 3 years in Ranji trophy. Compare Rahul's stats vs GG's stats. Then talk to me about their form. Until you check this, I am not replying to you anymore.

A player should replace another player only when the player loses form. Has Rahul lost form ? NO. Then, he should not sit out . As simple as that !
 
KL Rahul must be in team. It's Rohit Sharma vs Gautam Gambhir.
 
Just because they played well in 6 games before choking doesn't mean we were deserving winners or they had all the experience in this world.

Choking? When did we choke? Choking means throwing away the game when you are in a winning position. We were never in a winning position against Australia.

Check the quote and see who started it all.

Buddy, how can you not expect a response like that when you post "You mean three months experience is enough for players to get acclimatized to the situation? I don't think so." I mean just read that sentence couple more time times and you might realize how naive it sounds.
 
  1. I told this before. I am telling now. Go watch domestic matches. You will know his patience.
  2. He scored 3 centuries in tests with SR of 45-55 and his SR currently is 55. This is not patience ?
  3. Sehwag scored aggresively.
  4. And harsh that you are judging him only by last couple of matches and not his entire career! Anybody can have bad a match or two !

1. I know his patience, and I also know the way he constructed his last 4 innings, which could have been a lot better.
2. Patience is something which one shouldn't be having once in a while. One must have it every time he plays.
3. Sehwag played aggressively and what eventually happened? He was dropped for 2 and half years before he announced his retirement. He never made a come back.
4. He is a youngster, and was roped into the team because there weren't other options and he was doing well. When he is in the pattern of the same old opener, no point in continuing with him, unless he proves that he has enough patience to wait for things. We're discussing about Tests, not T20s. Agreed, its being harsh by seeing his performances in the 4 innings. But what bothers me is the way he started and ended the innings in all 4 occasions are the same. Try to score only boundaries and get out.

Scoring and getting runs is important. It's not how you get it, it's whether you get it or no. And he is getting runs ! Again I take the reference of players like Sehwag, Baz.

Brendon McCullum is one off player who could consistently slog. His home conditions are different, and its perfectly alright for him to choose slog over class. You can clear the boundaries with easy in New Zealand. That isn't the case in India- and exactly the reason why Sehwag (or for that mater even Shikar Dhawan) was not allowed to continue.

Dude. See these two sentences 'Gambhir is back in form' . 'Rahul was always in form'. Why should Rahul sit ? Why should he make way for GG when Rahul is already playing well?

Did Rahul lose form ? NO
Is Rahul scoring ? YES

A is a senior player, and tries to play aggressive cricket and fails- A is dropped.

B replaces A, follows same trend, eventually fails.

C replaces B, and is trying to follow same trend. What will you do? Will you compare him with Z, who is on a different page altogether and say "Its fine for him to play because A and Z were allowed to" or try to get C on right path?

Your team requirement is very clear- no aggressive approach unless it is necessary or you are consistent in doing it. When you are clearly failing with aggressive approach and still continue to do it, whats the point of doing it all over? To rppe in D?

Then, why the #### should he sit for so called Gambhir's new form ? And by the way, GG played well only in last 3 FC matches. Not whole freaking season. Look at past 3 years in Ranji trophy. Compare Rahul's stats vs GG's stats. Then talk to me about their form. Until you check this, I am not replying to you anymore.

A player should replace another player only when the player loses form. Has Rahul lost form ? NO. Then, he should not sit out . As simple as that !

You cannot compare KLs performance with GGs performance. If you talk about performance, I doubt if Rahul even attracted KSCA selectors when GG was awarded ICC Player of the Year. And I expect you not to reply as I'm reluctant to compare their stats.

Choking? When did we choke? Choking means throwing away the game when you are in a winning position. We were never in a winning position against Australia.

I'm talking about the tournament overall, not the particular game. With 100% win record, we were strong enough to win against Australia, but we miserably failed. Batting was our strength and lack of big match players was clearly seen.

Buddy, how can you not expect a response like that when you post "You mean three months experience is enough for players to get acclimatized to the situation? I don't think so." I mean just read that sentence couple more time times and you might realize how naive it sounds.

Exactly, when you are unable to spell a silly English word properly, which probably a 3rd grade kid does correctly, how do I expect you to talk sense?

As I told again, we are here to discuss and mature discussions happen only when you respect the other opinions no matter how silly they sound. May be you are right- 3 months is more than enough, but I don't think so. I'm free to express my opinions and you are expected to respect it, not tell how ridiculous it is. Of course it is up to you, if you tell how ridiculous my opinions are, I'm forced to tell how ridiculous your "Experiance" is.

PS: No matter who replies to this topic, as of now, this is my opinion and it will not change: KL Rahul is not yet completely ready for test cricket, and Gautam Gambhir must be back in the team. We, as a team, need experienced players keeping worse case scenarios in mind.

currently, this is my take on this topic, I end my discussion here.
 
Rahul should be the opener and Gambhir the reserve. Why? It's because we have to move on, as we just can't stick to experienced players like Gambhir. Sure, experience is good, but what good is it if India have so many players with potential in the domestic format? Rahul is an exciting opener with exciting batting attributes. GG is a very good player, but no one can say he is better than Vijay or Rahul. Rahul has been a good player of late, and it would make sense to play Rahul than Gambhir. People here are talking Gambhir up, even though his comeback match wasn't so magnificent that it meant automatic selection in every XIs.
 
If GG would have made back to back centuries in those innings, there would have been a possibility of him opening again in next series. He looked confident in his comeback but not impactful enough to replace extremely talented Rahul. May be, GG has standby chance of being a reserve opener instead of Dhawan if one of Vijay or Rahul hit a rough patch with continuous failures. In other words, Gambhir's fortune should be extra ordinary to play as a regular opener again if both Rahul and Vijay continue to be in form and fit. Was really surprised first to see this chap (Rahul) playing lot of wonderful shots, definitely a solid potential if he continues what he is doing now.

Also Vijay is lot experienced as opener now and so experienced person in one end and talented inexperienced in other end creates a nice balance in the lineup.
 

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