ODI Tri-Series (Malaysia)

[irottev]

India got out of that one. Lucky.

West Indies Australia Final for me.

Johnson must have bowled alright. What a shame it was all for nothing. He needs to be consistant.

 

[gaurav_indian]

India got out of that one. Lucky.

West Indies Australia Final for me.

Johnson must have bowled alright. What a shame it was all for nothing. He needs to be consistant.

Too early to say that.

 

[rickyp]

so you think its unrealistic to score runs at 6.5 an over for 35 overs???? what do you think they do in 20/20, coz im pretty sure that they score faster with less time.... India could still have done that easy but they threw away their wickets at the hands of great bowling from M.Johnson.

Btw zorax, as i mentioned in the other thread, whats a better method than D/L

I thought I might add this after reading some more comments.

You all talk as if the first target was an easy one... who says you were going to get it? I really dont think that its an argument whether Australia and India have better batsmen etc. because un-biased opinion they are even. Australia could have got a quick 3 or 4 wickets (or 5 hehe) and then just get the rest evenly for the next 150 runs. We did it against the west indies did we not.

 

[prarara]

so you think its unrealistic to score runs at 6.5 an over for 35 overs???? what do you think they do in 20/20, coz im pretty sure that they score faster with less time.... India could still have done that easy but they threw away their wickets at the hands of great bowling from M.Johnson.

Btw zorax, as i mentioned in the other thread, whats a better method than D/L

I thought I might add this after reading some more comments.

You all talk as if the first target was an easy one... who says you were going to get it? I really dont think that its an argument whether Australia and India have better batsmen etc. because un-biased opinion they are even. Australia could have got a quick 3 or 4 wickets (or 5 hehe) and then just get the rest evenly for the next 150 runs. We did it against the west indies did we not.

The first point is slightly skewed, in light of things. There is a shorter time period to maintain a sustained explosiveness; that is, you are playing for 20 overs rather than 50. You take more risks, etc.

Second, the conditions changed after rain; whereupon, the pitch was more conducive to swing bowling, and coupled with Indian profligacy, translated to quick wickets; nevertheless, why should a 6.5 overrate be demanded, when a target was set at around 5?

All such details aside, IMHO, India has been on the recieving end of some bad luck, and though many may say that it is simply a certain ineptitude, I beg to differ. Particularly against the Windies, last minute actions and D/L methods, the latter well out of the hands of the players, have determined quite a few results; hopefully, as sai said earlier, the trend will reverse.

 

[aussie_ben91]

I think the fact that Australia purposely played a weakened side and had India in the position that they did pretty much means India really didn't deserve to win. The chances of India winning from 5/35 down and the fact that Sehwag, Tendulkar & Dravid were all out that India's chances of winning were slimer then the Windies chances of winning the other night if Lara & Sarwan went out.

 

[prarara]

I suppose we can volley this argument back and forth. Perhaps, there is really no correct argument, especially given the personal biases of those making either argument.

 

[rickyp]

In the end, it was a draw, which I think would be a fair result because after all the events that took place, the game was about level par.

 

[aussie1st]

The first point is slightly skewed, in light of things. There is a shorter time period to maintain a sustained explosiveness; that is, you are playing for 20 overs rather than 50. You take more risks, etc.

Second, the conditions changed after rain; whereupon, the pitch was more conducive to swing bowling, and coupled with Indian profligacy, translated to quick wickets; nevertheless, why should a 6.5 overrate be demanded, when a target was set at around 5?

All such details aside, IMHO, India has been on the recieving end of some bad luck, and though many may say that it is simply a certain ineptitude, I beg to differ. Particularly against the Windies, last minute actions and D/L methods, the latter well out of the hands of the players, have determined quite a few results; hopefully, as sai said earlier, the trend will reverse.

As I said in the rain thread, you guys were only going at 3.2 rpo so why should we reward a team that is going below the RRR for the 50 overs. If a team was 10 runs after 10 overs do they deserve to have a DL total that requries only 5rpo rather than one at 8rpo?

 

[Left_Hander]

I didn't see India's run chase, but I saw Watson open the batting. What a great knock! Clarke batted well also. Do you think Watson should keep opening for the rest of the Tournament?

 

[aditya123]

If Australia beat the windies on Monday, we`d need just one win from our next two games if Iam not wrong .

I sincerely hope that the weather remains nice and hot in Malaysia for th next week or so.
This has been a really wet start to the season after a superb season from Oct 2005-May 06 .
Its high time we start playing some full ODIs .
Rain Gods, cooperate !

 

[surendar]

Do you think Watson should keep opening for the rest of the Tournament?

well, some more experiments need to be done before Champions trophy..... So i think keeping him in opening slot and testing him is good for Aussies !!!

 

[angryangy]

India definitely weren't smote by the "unreasonable target"

If they had've left the game as a 50 over match and went with the D/L totals for 20 overs, we have 0/63, 1/71, 2/82, 3/96 and 4/110... that hardly seems fair, much easier than scoring 244 in 50 overs. The D/L method is designed for unexpected interuptions, rather than giving a team a license to stonewall.

Due to rain, the game was converted into a 29 over match. India were set the target 169 in 29 overs. Australia were 4/158 in 29 overs, so basically, Australia's six wickets in hand were worth an extra 10 runs.

Overall, that's 5.8 runs per over, which is pretty reasonable. They had already batted 5 overs and fair enough, Australia batted carefully for the first five as well. However, if they batted something like this:

6-10: 5 rpo
11-15: 6 rpo
16-20: 7 rpo
21-25: 8 rpo

They would be left requiring 7 for victory in 4 overs. Note the Australian innings:

1-5: 3.4 rpo
6-10: 9.4 rpo
11-15: 4.8 rpo
16-20: 6.2 rpo
21-25: 5.4 rpo

If you look behind the average run rate, you can see that teams often maintain high rates for short periods. I think what was the big killer for India was that they went out uncertain and underconfident of what they were doing.

India have definitely had less luck than they would like, but they have a couple more games yet. If they get on the upper hand of all this weather, they could very well take their revenge and make the final.

 

[surendar]

India have definitely had less luck than they would like, but they have a couple more games yet. If they get on the upper hand of all this weather, they could very well take their revenge and make the final.

Agreed... It will be more disappointing if weather pulls them out of the tournament!!!

Rain Gods, cooperate !

me too hoping the same mate.... Rain Gods please stop spoiling the matches :upray

 

[aussie_ben91]

I didn't see India's run chase, but I saw Watson open the batting. What a great knock! Clarke batted well also. Do you think Watson should keep opening for the rest of the Tournament?

Anythings better then Katich. But he'll be treated much like Jaques got treated when he scored 90 odd on debut.

 

[shwetac_mnm]

Mitchell Johnson, Jaques and Cosgrove are leavin for Australia on sunday!?! It was a pre planned move from the selectors and its being supported by Ponting... It had been decided weeks earlier that after the first two games - the Aussies arrived in Malaysia with a squad of 18 - these three would be sent back.
I think its unfair after Johnson's 4-11!! :crying