Fake Passport
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Ive often wonderered to be honest..
Official, confirmed, verified "You are the umpire" thread
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Ive often wonderered to be honest..
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qpeedore
SOTM Winner - July 2014
Okay, let's start off easy then.
Why is an over with no runs called a maiden? And why does the word maiden also refer to the first of something? (maiden century, maiden wicket, maiden Test, etc)
Why is a delivery that lands at or near the batsman's feet called a yorker?
Why is a left arm wrist spinner called a chinaman? (note: it may not be what you think it is or what the legends say)
What is the difference between a pull and a hook?
Why is an inelegant looking shot to the onside called agricultural?
Tons more to come...
Why is an over with no runs called a maiden? And why does the word maiden also refer to the first of something? (maiden century, maiden wicket, maiden Test, etc)
Why is a delivery that lands at or near the batsman's feet called a yorker?
Why is a left arm wrist spinner called a chinaman? (note: it may not be what you think it is or what the legends say)
What is the difference between a pull and a hook?
Why is an inelegant looking shot to the onside called agricultural?
Tons more to come...
Fake Passport
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I feel like Alan Daives on QI and expecting the siren to go off, but wasn't it a delivery of some West Indian bowler that either was, or looked, partially Chinese or something like that?
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El Loco
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Let's have a stab. What I can think of off the top of my head.
Why is an over with no runs called a maiden? And why does the word maiden also refer to the first of something? (maiden century, maiden wicket, maiden Test, etc)
Because a maiden is a lady who is not married/a virgin. Hence when they do it it'll be their first time.
What is the difference between a pull and a hook?
Could it be that, the hook is played to the shorter ball while the pull to one that is more of a good length.
Why is an inelegant looking shot to the onside called agricultural?
It resembles the action of using a scythe, an agricultural tool.
Why is an over with no runs called a maiden? And why does the word maiden also refer to the first of something? (maiden century, maiden wicket, maiden Test, etc)
Because a maiden is a lady who is not married/a virgin. Hence when they do it it'll be their first time.
What is the difference between a pull and a hook?
Could it be that, the hook is played to the shorter ball while the pull to one that is more of a good length.
Why is an inelegant looking shot to the onside called agricultural?
It resembles the action of using a scythe, an agricultural tool.
qpeedore
SOTM Winner - July 2014
...that's the legend, and while true that Ellis Achong did bowl left arm wrist spin, he was hardly the first. The Dictionary actually gives a pretty convincing explanation as to why it MAY not (unconfirmed, mind you) be so.
And to keep with the original theme of the thread...some umpiring questions.
- A bowler asks you to have a look at the ball, saying he is concerned about the seam. You take it from him but everything seems to be okay. As you are about to hand it back to him he mutters under his breath but audible to you only, that he thinks his captain may be involved in match-fixing. What do you do? (Assume an international match for this.)
- One of the true legendary batsmen of the game is playing his last ever innings. The match, regrettably, seems to be headed toward a draw. He has been playing well so far and has gotten to 82. He drives a ball but is caught at midwicket off of the inner part of the bat. As he starts to walk off the fielding captain runs up to him and has a few words before coming up to you. He says that he will withdraw his appeal and all further appeals and will let the batsman continue and in return the batsman will retire out when he has made a century. Can you allow this?
(What if there was a chance at having a result in the match?)
- There is a very light drizzle of rain. It is not enough to stop play, so you allow play to proceed. But after 15 minutes, the drizzle still has not stopped. After 20 minutes, it has gotten even lighter but still persists. What do you do? (Think this one is more about common sense than anything but I'd love to see the replies...I know what I would do...)
And to keep with the original theme of the thread...some umpiring questions.
- A bowler asks you to have a look at the ball, saying he is concerned about the seam. You take it from him but everything seems to be okay. As you are about to hand it back to him he mutters under his breath but audible to you only, that he thinks his captain may be involved in match-fixing. What do you do? (Assume an international match for this.)
- One of the true legendary batsmen of the game is playing his last ever innings. The match, regrettably, seems to be headed toward a draw. He has been playing well so far and has gotten to 82. He drives a ball but is caught at midwicket off of the inner part of the bat. As he starts to walk off the fielding captain runs up to him and has a few words before coming up to you. He says that he will withdraw his appeal and all further appeals and will let the batsman continue and in return the batsman will retire out when he has made a century. Can you allow this?
(What if there was a chance at having a result in the match?)
- There is a very light drizzle of rain. It is not enough to stop play, so you allow play to proceed. But after 15 minutes, the drizzle still has not stopped. After 20 minutes, it has gotten even lighter but still persists. What do you do? (Think this one is more about common sense than anything but I'd love to see the replies...I know what I would do...)
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El Loco
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First time venturing into the thread. I know next to nothing about umpiring so I'm going to answer this just based on my rationale.
- A bowler asks you to have a look at the ball, saying he is concerned about the seam. You take it from him but everything seems to be okay. As you are about to hand it back to him he mutters under his breath but audible to you only, that he thinks his captain may be involved in match-fixing. What do you do? (Assume an international match for this.)
Let the game go on for the day, keep my wits about me to see if I notice anything untoward, then report it to the Match Referee at the end of the session or at close (assuming he is the point of call for such issues).
- One of the true legendary batsmen of the game is playing his last evermatch innings. The match, regrettably, seems to be headed toward a draw. He has been playing well so far and has gotten to 82. He drives a ball but is caught at midwicket off of the inner part of the bat. As he starts to walk off the fielding captain runs up to him and has a few words before coming up to you. He says that he will withdraw his appeal and all further appeals and will let the batsman continue and in return the batsman will retire out when he has made a century. Can you allow this?
No, you got out fairly and squarely, only himself to blame. Off back to the pavilion with ya. As an umpire you have to put your foot down, it would cause too much controversy and the repercussions would be unforeseen. Best to avoid any of that.
- There is a very light drizzle of rain. It is not enough to stop play, so you allow play to proceed. But after 15 minutes, the drizzle still has not stopped. After 20 minutes, it has gotten even lighter but still persists. What do you do?
Good one, this is difficult.
Assuming the lighting conditions are fine, consult the groundsman to make sure he's happy that no damage is being done to his pitch, if so, play resumes. Not convinced with this answer though.
- A bowler asks you to have a look at the ball, saying he is concerned about the seam. You take it from him but everything seems to be okay. As you are about to hand it back to him he mutters under his breath but audible to you only, that he thinks his captain may be involved in match-fixing. What do you do? (Assume an international match for this.)
Let the game go on for the day, keep my wits about me to see if I notice anything untoward, then report it to the Match Referee at the end of the session or at close (assuming he is the point of call for such issues).
- One of the true legendary batsmen of the game is playing his last evermatch innings. The match, regrettably, seems to be headed toward a draw. He has been playing well so far and has gotten to 82. He drives a ball but is caught at midwicket off of the inner part of the bat. As he starts to walk off the fielding captain runs up to him and has a few words before coming up to you. He says that he will withdraw his appeal and all further appeals and will let the batsman continue and in return the batsman will retire out when he has made a century. Can you allow this?
No, you got out fairly and squarely, only himself to blame. Off back to the pavilion with ya. As an umpire you have to put your foot down, it would cause too much controversy and the repercussions would be unforeseen. Best to avoid any of that.
- There is a very light drizzle of rain. It is not enough to stop play, so you allow play to proceed. But after 15 minutes, the drizzle still has not stopped. After 20 minutes, it has gotten even lighter but still persists. What do you do?
Good one, this is difficult.
Assuming the lighting conditions are fine, consult the groundsman to make sure he's happy that no damage is being done to his pitch, if so, play resumes. Not convinced with this answer though.
Fake Passport
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I substantially agree with Loco.
The first one under ICC regs is an issue for the match referee. I believe the proper protocol is to inform the 4th umpire via radio of the allegation, who talks to the referee. No reason not to play on unless it got silly and was a refusal to play scenario.
The law says the withdrawal of an appeal can only be done with the consent of the umpire. I wouldn't give that consent. I would be happy for guard of honour or something if they wanted to do that...
Unless it's unreasonable/forseeable risk, play on.
The first one under ICC regs is an issue for the match referee. I believe the proper protocol is to inform the 4th umpire via radio of the allegation, who talks to the referee. No reason not to play on unless it got silly and was a refusal to play scenario.
The law says the withdrawal of an appeal can only be done with the consent of the umpire. I wouldn't give that consent. I would be happy for guard of honour or something if they wanted to do that...
Unless it's unreasonable/forseeable risk, play on.
qpeedore
SOTM Winner - July 2014
Since the answers are pretty much in, I'll reply.
Why is an over with no runs called a maiden? And why does the word maiden also refer to the first of something? (maiden century, maiden wicket, maiden Test, etc)
Correct by Loco. And being unmarried/virgin, a maiden is said to be pure and unblemished, hence an "unblemished" over of no runs is a maiden.
What is the difference between a pull and a hook?
Loco had half the answer. Yes, a hook is generally played to a shorter ball than a pull. But the main difference is that a hook is intended to be played behind square while a pull is intended for in front.
Why is an inelegant looking shot to the onside called agricultural?
Loco has it right on.
Waiting on the chinaman and yorker answers.
As for the umpiring questions, between Loco and FakePassport, they're correct.
1. Relay the allegation to my colleague upstairs, who informs the match referee. Play continues as usual.
2. He's out. Legend of the game or not, it would be a farce to allow him to continue just to get a century. Agreed with FakePassport that I'd allow play to be suspended for a few minutes for a guard of honour or a lap around the field or something. But he's out nonetheless.
3. Once the condition of the ball isn't being compromised and the fielders and batsmen aren't slipping all over the place then play continues. When I have a chance (possibly between overs) I would talk to the groundsman as he would know more about the local weather than me. (Those groundsmen are amazing, so many times you see them putting on raincoats with a perfectly clear sky and then not 10 minutes later it's a monsoon!)
Why is an over with no runs called a maiden? And why does the word maiden also refer to the first of something? (maiden century, maiden wicket, maiden Test, etc)
Correct by Loco. And being unmarried/virgin, a maiden is said to be pure and unblemished, hence an "unblemished" over of no runs is a maiden.
What is the difference between a pull and a hook?
Loco had half the answer. Yes, a hook is generally played to a shorter ball than a pull. But the main difference is that a hook is intended to be played behind square while a pull is intended for in front.
Why is an inelegant looking shot to the onside called agricultural?
Loco has it right on.
Waiting on the chinaman and yorker answers.
As for the umpiring questions, between Loco and FakePassport, they're correct.
1. Relay the allegation to my colleague upstairs, who informs the match referee. Play continues as usual.
2. He's out. Legend of the game or not, it would be a farce to allow him to continue just to get a century. Agreed with FakePassport that I'd allow play to be suspended for a few minutes for a guard of honour or a lap around the field or something. But he's out nonetheless.
3. Once the condition of the ball isn't being compromised and the fielders and batsmen aren't slipping all over the place then play continues. When I have a chance (possibly between overs) I would talk to the groundsman as he would know more about the local weather than me. (Those groundsmen are amazing, so many times you see them putting on raincoats with a perfectly clear sky and then not 10 minutes later it's a monsoon!)
qpeedore
SOTM Winner - July 2014
Well researched! And very much correct! Kudos to you.
Still leaving the chinaman question open.
Now explain the meaning behind these fielding positions...
Point
Third man
Slip
Gully
Cover
Hell, why do they call it the off side anyways?
(No, I have no life...yes I do need to work in a few hours...I should really try to get back to bed...)
Still leaving the chinaman question open.
Now explain the meaning behind these fielding positions...
Point
Third man
Slip
Gully
Cover
Hell, why do they call it the off side anyways?
(No, I have no life...yes I do need to work in a few hours...I should really try to get back to bed...)
