Official, confirmed, verified "You are the umpire" thread

[qpeedore]

Not exactly, but thinking about China the country and not China the ethnicity is a step in the right direction...

 

[CerealKiller]

Gully

I think it's because it is between the slips and point, so almost in a small "gully" between the two?

 

[El Loco]

Not exactly, but thinking about China the country and not China the ethnicity is a step in the right direction...

Wikipedia says that alternatively the term could have originated in Yorkshire, before the Achong incident. Other than than that I haven't got the foggiest.

 

[qpeedore]

Hit it right on the head, CerealKiller. One of the meanings of the word gully is "a channel" so the gully fielder is in that channel between the slips and point.

Leaving one umpiring question.

- A batsman plays a straight drive. The ball hits the stumps at the non striker's end and ricochets away. The batsmen run one and then try for two. The fielder at mid on is onto the ball quickly. The bowler seems to anticipate a run out and quickly picks up one bail and replaces it on top of the stumps just as the direct throw comes in and knocks the same bail off. Is the batsman out?

(I know it's confusing but basically, stumps broken, bowler puts back a bail, stumps broken again. Fielding team appeals.)

EDIT: Yes, the batsman is short of his ground.

 

[qpeedore]

Wish I'd ventured into this thread a bit sooner, it's great! Thanks for sharing snippets of your book with us.

I'll give the fielding positions some thought a bit later.

Not my book. I just own the books. Haven't written a book since 2009 and that's an unpublished half sci-fi novella. All credits and copyrights etc go to the original authors of "You are the umpire" and "The Wisden Dictionary of Cricket".

EDIT: Unless otherwise stated, our scenarios about umpiring are original though.

 

[El Loco]

Not my book. I just own the books. Haven't written a book since 2009 and that's an unpublished half sci-fi novella. All credits and copyrights etc go to the original authors of "You are the umpire" and "The Wisden Dictionary of Cricket".

Just meant the book that you have in your possession. None of us own it so it's good of you relay some of what's in it to us.

- A batsman plays a straight drive. The ball hits the stumps at the non striker's end and ricochets away. The batsmen run one and then try for two. The fielder at mid on is onto the ball quickly. The bowler seems to anticipate a run out and quickly picks up one bail and replaces it on top of the stumps just as the direct throw comes in and knocks the same bail off. Is the batsman out?
Sure why not? The batsmen was so short of his ground that the bowler had time to re position the bail then knock it back off again.
Seen players on TV fix broken stumps themselves don't they after failed stumpings and things like that so presumably it is within the laws of the game for them to do this, unless the rule is different when the ball is live, I don't have enough knowledge to comment on that. Would like to here @Fake Passport 's views on this.
Bottom line, if I were an umpire I'd allow it.

EDIT: Actually I think I have seen an instance of this in a match if my memory serves me right, and the bowler (with the ball in hand) ripped a stump out of the ground. So I'm guessing that the verdict in your scenario would be not out as the rule is if the bails are off you have to take out a stump to run someone out.

 

[Fake Passport]

As to the 'remaking the wicket'. It's entirely within the players right to remake the wicket while the ball is in play. Assuming the bail was dislodged it would be out.

Infact it is the sensible play for the bowler since the law says that the wicket is considered broken when either a stump is entirely removed from the ground or a bail is completely removed. No bails then would rely on the stump which is a bit iffy to count on.

 

[qpeedore]

Yes, without bails you are supposed to pick the stump out of the ground. The Laws state that you have to do it with the hand holding the ball, but theoretically you can hold the ball in one hand and pull the stump out with the other once the ball touches the stumps at any time.

The question is...was the runner out?

 

[Fake Passport]

The question is...was the runner out?

Unless I'm missing something, yes...

 

[qpeedore]

...and you beat me to the reply.

He's out. The Law referring to the wicket being down allows for a fielder to replace the bails. Only one bail needs to be dislodged for a decision. And the umpire can remake the stumps at a dead ball call. But the fielders can remake the wicket at any time.

 

[El Loco]

Any chance you could reveal the alternate origin of Chinaman?

 

[qpeedore]

As soon as I get home and have access to the Dictionary, I will.

 

[qpeedore]

Right, so according to the Dictionary, the whole "fancy getting out to a bloody chinaman" statement sounds a bit too good to be true. The author gives the alternate explanation that in the past things of Chinese origin was said to be of poor quality and not at all in keeping with what was "normal". (made in China anyone?)
Since left arm wrist spin is probably the rarest (and least normal) of bowling types, it's potentially true.

 

[El Loco]

Ok, let's have a go at the fielding positions.

Offside - You have the offside (right) and near-side (left) of a car, so it would be reasonable to assume the terms were transferred over from this and one of them stuck?
Slip - Well, a slip is a mistake. So this fielder is positioned to capitalise on any slips or mistakes the batsmen makes.

Both seem plausible in my opinion.

Third man and cover I'd have to give more thought.

 

[zimrahil]

Ok, let's have a go at the fielding positions.

Offside - You have the offside (right) and near-side (left) of a car, so it would be reasonable to assume the terms were transferred over from this and one of them stuck?
Slip - Well, a slip is a mistake. So this fielder is positioned to capitalise on any slips or mistakes the batsmen makes.

Both seem plausible in my opinion.

Third man and cover I'd have to give more thought.

Erm...you are NOT supposed to be using Google or any internet search engine for that matter ....