Pakistan in England/Scotland 2006

[s2sschan]

I see on the cricinfo headline now: 'England deny Fletcher claims'

Off course they will deny it. At least for now. Also Fletcher was seemed to make answers to the Sky team why they didn't follow the ball more closely when Pakistani had the ball. An investigation on the Sky employees could answer the question if Fletcher asked this or not.

It's become a political game of white lies, denials, and politics.

In any case, Pakistan's Izzat (Honor) is at stake. Pakistan shouldn't play the ODIs if Inzamam is found guilty of ball tampering and banned.

Time for India and Sri Lanka to stand by Pakistan. Time to show them we won't be walked over.

 

[evertonfan]

Why the hell should they? If it was England I doubt that would be your response. But no, because it's 'dirty forriners' they deserve to rot or some such which is a shocking attitude. Stop seeing it as Pakistan and see it as any cricket team or group of people, may help you to strip your bias then.

First of all, teh fact that you are suggesting that i'm being predujice against another nation is ludicrous. Second of all, if England reacted like this I wouldn't be happy. If Hoggy got accused of ball tampering and Strauss locked his team in the dressing room and sulked I would have been far from happy. Sulking isn't a show of pride, it's a show of childishness, and Pakistan should have finished the game and then launched their appeal.

I'm truly shocked that you think i'm just anti-Pakistan; That isn't the case at all.

 

[sohum]

Time for India and Sri Lanka to stand by Pakistan. Time to show them we won't be walked over.

We can't be walked over. Without the Asian bloc, I doubt we would see much money in the game.

 

[Kev]

Calm down guys

Nobody is calling anybody a dirty foreigner. All evertonfan is trying to say is that there are procedures that should be followed if a side wishes to protest against a decision. These procedures are there for a reason. Now you may not like those procedures but the correct way to deal with that is to follow them and then question the process in a calm manner. If you just throw your toys out of the pram everytime you disagree with something then you are only halming your own reputation.

For the record. If it had been England that had been accused of ball tampering, I would have not supported a dressing room protest.

 

[nightprowler10]

I'm truly shocked that you think i'm just anti-Pakistan; That isn't the case at all.

So you're more than JUST anti-Pakistan.

 

[MUFC1987]

First of all, teh fact that you are suggesting that i'm being predujice against another nation is ludicrous. Second of all, if England reacted like this I wouldn't be happy. If Hoggy got accused of ball tampering and Strauss locked his team in the dressing room and sulked I would have been far from happy. Sulking isn't a show of pride, it's a show of childishness, and Pakistan should have finished the game and then launched their appeal.

I'm truly shocked that you think i'm just anti-Pakistan; That isn't the case at all.

You don't seem to understand, when Darrell Hair adjudged Pakistan to be cheating, it went from a sporting moment, to a personal moment. Your immaturity is showing through by saying that Pakistan were sulking. The Pakistan team felt offended, (rightly so imo) that Hair can accuse them of something with no proof of the matter which is wrong. You don't seem to understand this. You seem to link the words cheating and pakistan as gospel, which shows the part of your problem.

Calm down guys

Nobody is calling anybody a dirty foreigner. All evertonfan is trying to say is that there are procedures that should be followed if a side wishes to protest against a decision. These procedures are there for a reason. Now you may not like those procedures but the correct way to deal with that is to follow them and then question the process in a calm manner. If you just throw your toys out of the pram everytime you disagree with something then you are only halming your own reputation.

For the record. If it had been England that had been accused of ball tampering, I would have not supported a dressing room protest.

Pakistan were found guilty without evidence, yet you wonder what they were so pissed off about?

 

[evertonfan]

Calm down guys

Nobody is calling anybody a dirty foreigner. All evertonfan is trying to say is that there are procedures that should be followed if a side wishes to protest against a decision. These procedures are there for a reason. Now you may not like those procedures but the correct way to deal with that is to follow them and then question the process in a calm manner. If you just throw your toys out of the pram everytime you disagree with something then you are only halming your own reputation.

For the record. If it had been England that had been accused of ball tampering, I would have not supported a dressing room protest.

Thanks Kev, that's exactly what i've been trying to say, but some people refuse to read between the lines of my posts. I'm not anti-Pakistan, it's just that it's them who have protested, so i'm disagreeing with them. If it was Australia, England or New Zealand, I would have the same views.

You don't seem to understand, when Darrell Hair adjudged Pakistan to be cheating, it went from a sporting moment, to a personal moment. Your immaturity is showing through by saying that Pakistan were sulking. The Pakistan team felt offended, (rightly so imo) that Hair can accuse them of something with no proof of the matter which is wrong. You don't seem to understand this. You seem to link the words cheating and pakistan as gospel, which shows the part of your problem.

I know they took it as a personal slur! But what you don't seem to realise about what i'm posting is that whether they are innocent, guilty or if their pride has been damaged, means nothing because the way they acted was completley wrong. And when did I call Pakistan cheats by the way? I think they are innocent of ball tampering, and you should realise that my problem is with their protest.

 

[Kev]

Pakistan were found guilty without evidence, yet you wonder what they were so pissed off about?

OK, pakistan were annoyed I get that. They have every right to be annoyed.

But just because you are annoyed at something it doesnt mean you can disregard rules and procedures. You challenge the decision in the correct manner.

 

[MUFC1987]

But just because you are annoyed at something it doesnt mean you can disregard rules and procedures. You challenge the decision in the correct manner.

This is where my problem stems. The Umpires penalised them without seeing any evidence apart from a slightly damaged ball. To me that is unfair as they did not follow a procedure, they acted on an assumption, so why should Pakistan respond as though that is acceptable?

 

[sohum]

First of all, teh fact that you are suggesting that i'm being predujice against another nation is ludicrous. Second of all, if England reacted like this I wouldn't be happy. If Hoggy got accused of ball tampering and Strauss locked his team in the dressing room and sulked I would have been far from happy. Sulking isn't a show of pride, it's a show of childishness, and Pakistan should have finished the game and then launched their appeal.

I'm truly shocked that you think i'm just anti-Pakistan; That isn't the case at all.

The difference with the case you present and the actual case is that Inzamam, as far as we know, wasn't told about any offence and there was no proof presented, again as far as we know, to Inzy or anyone as to whether there was an actual event of ball-tampering or if Hair was simply acting on suspicion.

Do the rules say that you can penalize someone without proof? If they do, I think they need to be looked at.

 

[s2sschan]

If you believe any conspiracy theory going.
No cricket ball will act the same as another.

It's a conspiracy theory when England reversing the ball in the 15th over is questioned.
It's ball tampering when Pakistan does it in the 50th over.

I am tired of the Holier than thou self-righteousness.

Fletcher DID insinuate the ball tampering situation, the political animal that he is.

Why was Trescothick watching Asif with Binoculars?

 

[evertonfan]

This is where my problem stems. The Umpires penalised them without seeing any evidence apart from a slightly damaged ball. To me that is unfair as they did not follow a procedure, they acted on an assumption, so why should Pakistan respond as though that is acceptable?

Because they are proffessional sportsmen who should have accepted that no matter how proposterous the claims where, they should hav edealt with it after the match.

 

[nightprowler10]

Teams have walked off or done similar protests for a lot less, so I can understand where Inzi is coming from. I don't necessarily agree with him 100%, but I can see where he is coming from.

 

[sohum]

OK, pakistan were annoyed I get that. They have every right to be annoyed.

But just because you are annoyed at something it doesnt mean you can disregard rules and procedures. You challenge the decision in the correct manner.

It's easy to sit in an AC room and throw the rulebook at the face of the Pakistani players. If your teacher in school failed you because he thought you had cheated on the test you may have reacted otherwise. But you may not have. You may have an above-average tolerance for personal insult--but that does not mean everyone does.

 

[Kev]

This is where my problem stems. The Umpires penalised them without seeing any evidence apart from a slightly damaged ball. To me that is unfair as they did not follow a procedure, they acted on an assumption, so why should Pakistan respond as though that is acceptable?

As far as I am aware it is up to the umpires to judge if the ball has been artificially tampered with. If they deem that to be the case the procedure is 5 penalty runs and the batting side get to choose a new ball.