Pakistan in England/Scotland 2006

[MUFC1987]

Funny!!! :

I say we just not make personal remarks (not pointing the finger at anyone in particular : ) and just keep to the story in hand!

I think you'll find that he told me to grow up, which I found to be quite hurtful.

 

[treva]

Right, England had the ball reverse swinging in England at exactly this point in time (August/September) against Australia. Yet that is viewed as being legit and England bowling well, yet Pakistan do it and it's considered Cheating. Can you not see the holes in that argument? England have nothing to do with this incident (barring Fletcher if reports are true) but surely you can see that there is a difference in the way the two teams have been treated?

I do see your point there and they shouldn't have been treated that way.But back then an umpire did not see any marks on a ball that could 'possibly' be made by a member of the team!

 

[evertonfan]

Right, England had the ball reverse swinging in England at exactly this point in time (August/September) against Australia. Yet that is viewed as being legit and England bowling well, yet Pakistan do it and it's considered Cheating. Can you not see the holes in that argument? England have nothing to do with this incident (barring Fletcher if reports are true) but surely you can see that there is a difference in the way the two teams have been treated?

I completley agree with you - for once - Pakistan have been treated very unfairly as what they were doing was completley legitamate. All i'm saying is that in this whole ball-tampering saga, England have nothing to do with it, Pakistan have been unfairly accused of cheating but my argument all along has been with the way they reacted to it.

Please don't call me or my views stupid again, this is supposed to be an enjoyable forum and insults just don't help at all.

 

[andrew_nixon]

I'm just reminding everyone to keep calm over this situtation.

And Hair speaks: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/england/5275414.stm

 

[sohum]

I do see your point there and they shouldn't have been treated that way.But back then an umpire did not see any marks on a ball that could 'possibly' be made by a member of the team!

Or perhaps they weren't alerted to be looking for it. :/

 

[MUFC1987]

I do see your point there and they shouldn't have been treated that way.But back then an umpire did not see any marks on a ball that could 'possibly' be made by a member of the team!

But all they've seen now are marks on the ball that they think could be caused by a member of the team. As I've said, there's no proof at all, just an assumption on the Umpires part, which they may or may not have been pushed towards by Duncan Fletcher.

 

[sohum]

I'm just reminding everyone to keep calm over this situtation.

And Hair speaks: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/england/5275414.stm

Indeed he has, but, expectedly, he has not said what people wanted to hear. /

 

[MUFC1987]

I'm just reminding everyone to keep calm over this situtation.

And Hair speaks: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/england/5275414.stm

Similar to an article on Cricinfo with regards to Simon Taufel. His calling off of the game cannot be argued with as he was following an ICC rule, so they'd be the ones to question. There has been no mention as to what he did or didn't see with regards to the tampering incident though....

 

[evertonfan]

Indeed he has, but, expectedly, he has not said what people wanted to hear. /

The fact that he says that he is willing to accept being proved wrong suggests to me that he knows he has no proof or evidence, which can only be a bad thing for him.

 

[m_vaughan]

But all they've seen know are marks on the ball that they think could be caused by a member of the team. As I've said, there's no proof at all, just an assumption on the Umpires part, which they may or may not have been pushed towards by Duncan Fletcher.

The ECB and Duncan Fletcher have denied this.

Now if a ball is tampered a lot beyond normal, what are the chances that someone other than the fielding team might have done it.

Now if tomorrow someone changes the ball, and is not caught on camera or by anyone, should the officials allow play to continue?

 

[treva]

But all they've seen now are marks on the ball that they think could be caused by a member of the team. As I've said, there's no proof at all, just an assumption on the Umpires part, which they may or may not have been pushed towards by Duncan Fletcher.

But Darrell Hair Is known to make his own decision and probably was not influenced at all by Fletcher!

 

[shahid6995]

Now if a ball is tampered a lot beyond normal, what are the chances that someone other than the fielding team might have done it.

Not talking about this game, but if a batsman smashes the ball all over the park getting 50 runs in 25 balls hitting several sixes on grounds like Pakistan's or crashing boundaries into advertizing hoardings at will, would that not change the ball at all? The fielding side is the ONLY one who can do this?

The fact that he says that he is willing to accept being proved wrong suggests to me that he knows he has no proof or evidence, which can only be a bad thing for him.

And what if that happens? Pakistan do not get fined, Inzi doesnt get a ban but does that give us back the Oval test match? Not that it matters so much now, but Hair needs to be held accountable by being fired or at least a heavy fine if it turns out he cannot prove shi*. If not, then sure Pakistan is vindicated, but the ICC and the "elite" umpires come out of this smelling like pigs. Why is there no rules for umpires bringing the game into disrepute??

 

[treva]

Not talking about this game, but if a batsman smashes the ball all over the park getting 50 runs in 25 balls hitting several sixes on grounds like Pakistan's or crashing boundaries into advertizing hoardings at will, would that not change the ball at all? The fielding side is the ONLY one who can do this?

How many times do we say that only 1 boundary was hit in between the time of the alleged tampering.
There were 19 dot balls mostly padded away!

 

[shahid6995]

How many times do we say that only 1 boundary was hit in between the time of the alleged tampering.
There were 19 dot balls mostly padded away!

Would you mind reading the first few words of my post??????????

 

[treva]

Would you mind reading the first few words of my post??????????

Sorry My mistake, But we are talking about this match!

Maybe It would get changed if that happened if someone got caught on TV and by the umpire!