Pakistan in India

[taimurasad]

And it was a crucial decision today than the one where Sachin was given not out off Kaneria.

It was equally crucial for Pakistan in 1st Test at Mohali whre Inzamam was given lbw in both innings whre batsman should have got benefit of doubt. After all it is just a game and such things r part of it now.

 

[shahid6995]

It was equally crucial for Pakistan in 1st Test at Mohali whre Inzamam was given lbw in both innings whre batsman should have got benefit of doubt. After all it is just a game and such things r part of it now.

Shhhh... Keep quiet Taimur.. our Indian friends are still in mourning....

Very good point though by the way.. in both the innings he was so far forward he could have shook hands with Kumble and yet he was not given the benefit of the doubt... and he was batting well in both innings... I had forgotten about that... you know why? Because for some inexplicable reason I thought the umpires are human and mistakes happen... so I didnt dwell on that... but then I guess I dont worship Inzi as a God so it doesnt apply with India and Tendulkar.

 

[sachinisgod]

chill out guyz... i think the great game has levelled it all... if he survived in Mohali then he must perish at the Eden... but u guyz are missing the main thing here... I saw first 40 odd of his runs and he looked as if he's coming back to those pre-2003 days... fluent on both sides... adamantly paddling Kaneria... its great news for India and bad for the others... Dravid was a bit subdued then but he looked as if that dismissal in the first innings was a drinks break...

btw, Bucknor should himself resign...its very high time now...saw the replay...no snicko signal and still he must have smiled and raise his finger... its consistent mistakes that should worry the ICC...i think the umpire(who was he) in Mohali doesn't give such wrong not outs on a consistent basis ...

 

[rahulk666]

Its so sad to see that noone else feels that Bucknor has a grudge against Indians. May be I am wrong but its sad to see him give atleast one absolutely horrible decision per match against Indians. I wish some umpire does similar thing to some other team over and over again and then get some reactions from their fans.


I need to clear this once for all... I do not see Sachin as a god and not because I am an atheist and I am not. He is simply not god because had he been god he would have never made Bucknor umpire in the first place.

Shahid you don't have to get a rabies shot. Please do not imply that I am a rabid dog. I apologize for bring this topic up. From now on I will not post anything on Mr. Frucknor. I will just let my sig convey my feelings about him. I would like to see this topic closed (at least it is closed for me).

 

[SaiSrini]

Its so sad to see that noone else feels that Bucknor has a grudge against Indians. May be I am wrong but its sad to see him give atleast one absolutely horrible decision per match against Indians. I wish some umpire does similar thing to some other team over and over again and then get some reactions from their fans.


I need to clear this once for all... I do not see Sachin as a god and not because I am an atheist and I am not. He is simply not god because had he been god he would have never made Bucknor umpire in the first place.

Shahid you don't have to get a rabies shot. Please do not imply that I am a rabid dog. I apologize for bring this topic up. From now on I will not post anything on Mr. Frucknor. I will just let my sig convey my feelings about him. I would like to see this topic closed (at least it is closed for me).

Dont worry rahul. I am with you! I feel the same way too..

We cant change others but we stand by the opinion that this guy surely has something against India!

 

[m_vaughan]

Well not long ago, in Australia, the same was being said about David Shephard. When things dont go your way, you feel like this but believe me Mr. Bucknor has nothing against India. He has made mistakes against other teams as well, that you might not have noticed or bothered about as it was not your team which at the receiving end.

You gotta take it and accept it in a sporting manner.

btw, Bucknor should himself resign...its very high time now...saw the replay...no snicko signal and still he must have smiled and raise his finger... its consistent mistakes that should worry the ICC...i think the umpire(who was he) in Mohali doesn't give such wrong not outs on a consistent basis ...

That is a very harsh statement. All umpires make mistakes, and Bucks is just one of them.

 

[sohum]

He has made mistakes against other teams as well, that you might not have noticed or bothered about as it was not your team which at the receiving end.

Correct...he has been making mistakes against other teams too, and on a very consistent basis. He used to be a very good umpire and I would be the first to admit that but of late his performance has been shoddy. This is not my biased Indian voice commenting but many people who are knowledgeable in cricket. He should accept the fact that he is not as good as he used to be and that there are many better umpires around in the world that they wouldn't feel his loss.

The second aspect that is troubling is his communication with the players. He points them around with his finger as if he is a school teacher and they are his naughty students. With millions around the world watching, his reputation is bound to fall. Sure, the umpire keeps control of the situation but that does not mean that they disrespect the cricketers.

As for Inzy's decisions, I would agree that the first one was very iffy. But I think the second innings decision was plumb as it did hit him on the back pad and it would have definitely hit the stumps. Both wickets came at crucial junctures and did change the course of the match. Umpires are definitely acceptable to make mistakes but they should not be completely immune from inspection--a consistently mistaken umpire should be given a period to bring his performance up or lose his status from the ICC elite panel. Isn't that what happened to Asoka de Silva?

 

[shahid6995]

Shahid you don't have to get a rabies shot. Please do not imply that I am a rabid dog.

Sorry Rahul I did not mean it that way, it was supposed to be a joke.

As for Inzy's decisions, I would agree that the first one was very iffy. But I think the second innings decision was plumb as it did hit him on the back pad and it would have definitely hit the stumps.

I dont know but on MY television it clearly hit Inzi on the front pad, identical to the first innings.. they even showed both the dismissals in a split-screen replay, just to show how identical they both were! Maybe I was watching a different game...

 

[ZoraxDoom]

I honestly think Bucknor is either biased or a horrible umpire. I mean, how can you give a guy out caught behind if the keeper and slips aren't even appealing?

 

[sohum]

Maybe I was watching a different game...

Perhaps you were, man, perhaps you were.

I honestly think Bucknor is either biased or a horrible umpire. I mean, how can you give a guy out caught behind if the keeper and slips aren't even appealing?

I think it is a forgivable error--the ball did swing a lot after passing the bat and it created the illusion of an edge. There was a similar occurrence in the Mohali match where someone looked like they had edged the ball and had been caught by the slips but no one even appealed and the moment just passed. It was similar except the crowd was probably noisier seeing that Sachin was on a roll.

 

[ZoraxDoom]

Perhaps you were, man, perhaps you were.



I think it is a forgivable error--the ball did swing a lot after passing the bat and it created the illusion of an edge. There was a similar occurrence in the Mohali match where someone looked like they had edged the ball and had been caught by the slips but no one even appealed and the moment just passed. It was similar except the crowd was probably noisier seeing that Sachin was on a roll.

But the Keeper didn't appeal!!!!
I would understand if Akmal did go up, but how can you give a batsman out if the guy who caught the ball KNOWS he didn't catch it off a nick!

As for Inzamam's LBWs, both were very similar, but the first was more out then the second one was as he didn't look like attempting a shot. I don't think 'Frucknor' was umpiring for both those descisions....it couldn't be....but would make sense...

 

[sohum]

I thought the second was more plumb...just my opinion. As for the non-appealing, I've seen it happen before (even when India is not playing) so its just a part of the game. Besides, it's a test of a teams strength if they are able to rise above siutations like this. Okay, I just watched the replay and I am a changed person.

Just kidding but that was a terrible decision. Forget the actual decision--Younis Khan maybe put his arms in the air while Akmal fell on the ground and didn't really appeal. Razzaq had a half shout and he looked mischeviously happy after the wicket. Anyhow...let's hope India is able to hold its strings together tomorrow. What is even worse is the whole dealing with the light situation--the on-field umpires did not even have light meters.

Coming back to the Tendulkar issue, this just reminds me of the incident in Australia earlier with the appealing when you know that you are wrong. Then, I think it was McGrath who got an inside-edge onto someone's pads and still appealed for LBW and got the wicket. Gamesmanship. Further replays of this event show that Younis Khan even put his hands on his head. :@. I guess it proves that the light really was bad.

 

[ZoraxDoom]

that was a terrible decision. Forget the actual decision--Younis Khan maybe put his arms in the air while Akmal fell on the ground and didn't really appeal. Razzaq had a half shout and he looked mischeviously happy after the wicket.

Further replays of this event show that Younis Khan even put his hands on his head. :@. I guess it proves that the light really was bad.

Or it could mean the 'Frucknor' is a biased and horrible umpire......

 

[sohum]

I think Bucknor isn't in top form at the moment, but I would still never accuse him of being biased. Although I will say this at home when I am watching the match on my TV when something happens against India, I mean it in a completely informal context. (Ooh I just saw Ganguly's boundary--sexy stuff). At the moment I would point out his consistent mistakes as creating a coincidential situation wherein the Indians have been at the receiving end. And of course we Indians will forget the decisions he gives against other teams.

EDIT: MSN news actually has the headline as 'Sachin falls to Bucknor again'

 

[shahid6995]

Perhaps you were, man, perhaps you were.

One of the benefits of getting the match on the internet, you can go back and watch it any time. I just saw Inzi's second innings dismissal in the first test, all front pad, no back pad. Check your tv sohummisra, I think youre the one watching the wrong match. Even the commentators (Arun Lal at the time) was saying the firstinnings lbw looked more convincing than the second innings.