Pakistan vs England in United Arab Emirates - October/November 2015

[Rehan_24]

Pretty defeatist considering you beat us 2-0 in the Test Series and thrashed us in the first ODI! You should be more positive mate!

I'll mark your words though, and hopefully you'll prove to be right so we can level the series. I think Pakistan have done really well these last few weeks. Much improved from when I last watched them play in England.

Pakistan is a well-balance test side but in ODI they are kept on struggling and this I have been saying for long. Waqar Younis has a silly history of leading the side. In 2003, WC, He was unable to settle down a team, kept on experimenting, In the same way as a coach I have a bad feeling that he has too much influence on final squad say and He can never let the team settled till he encountered a strong captain who can not play a second fiddle to him.

If Pakistan is performing well, Believe you me this is not due to team management planning, this is just the Raw talent we possess who needs to get polished. Moreover, If we are World No. 2 Test Side, the credit more goes to Misbah-ul-Haq then the team management comprises of coach and other staff.

Mushy has a good cricket brain but I guess Waqar is head coach and holds more power.

In the next ODI, mark it, We will be either having a new opening combination or else we would be having a different team combination and this is unfortunate.

 

[richowebbo]

Pakistan is a well-balance test side but in ODI they are kept on struggling and this I have been saying for long. Waqar Younis has a silly history of leading the side. In 2003, WC, He was unable to settle down a team, kept on experimenting, In the same way as a coach I have a bad feeling that he has too much influence on final squad say and He can never let the team settled till he encountered a strong captain who can not play a second fiddle to him.

If Pakistan is performing well, Believe you me this is not due to team management planning, this is just the Raw talent we possess who needs to get polished. Moreover, If we are World No. 2 Test Side, the credit more goes to Misbah-ul-Haq then the team management comprises of coach and other staff.

Mushy has a good cricket brain but I guess Waqar is head coach and holds more power.

In the next ODI, mark it, We will be either having a new opening combination or else we would be having a different team combination and this is unfortunate.

I feel your pain and confusion regarding team selection, as England have been doing this, especially in limited overs, for the last few years. It seems that these days that instant success is required, and with the advent of Social Media, player are getting more and more grief. Look at the abuse Alex Hales got on Wednesday after not scoring many runs (14 I think, yet Roy's duck went relatively un-mentioned).

It seems to me that, and I assume this is the same for Pakistan, that one failure is not allowed anymore, without the 'management' changing things around. The simple fact is, and Pakistan are a prime example of this from what I've seen, is that raw talent needs game time to learn their trade. You need to be allowed failures so you can learn.

England in particular, seem to allow players like Bell to continue to fail, but a couple of bad scores and you are dropped. Butler for example, is obviously a talented boy, but being dropped from the third test will not help him in any way. It's not like we had a ready made replacement, and decided to go with Patel.

It did seem strange that the guy who opened for Pakistan got moved from 5, after batting so well there. I must admit, I don't know the in's and outs of Pakistan upper echelons, but it sounds a bit messy.

 

[Rehan_24]

Having said that, The latest interview of Waqar Younis has another one of the dumbest things ever, He said that we are looking for openers who can save wickets as well as can score runs quickly. No offence, but someone can tell this dumb mind that you have already bloody two genuine openers in your squad i.e. Ahmed Shehzad and M. Hafeeez, so won't you mind trying the specialist openers first before doing the dumb acts and going with two make-shift openers i.e. Azhar and Babar azam?

Azhar is well suited for No. 3 and you can go with two specialist openers you have in your squad.

Waqar statements categorically say that something is fishy, He doesn't really want to go with Shehzad to make him a permanent squad member since the reports of his fighting with him in the last WC. And he is not trying Hafeez as an opener because He doesn't have the intelligent Cricketing coaching brain.

 

[richowebbo]

England get to chase today. Butler and Taylor are going to be key today.

 

[Rehan_24]

See, He has again gone with a make-shift opener Babar Azam and deliberately kept the regular opener out of the squad. The main headline on cricinfo states that Pakistan is struggling to find a winning combination. All this blame goes to the Head Coach who is acting like a captain at this stage. No one is bigger than the captain but in Pak ODI team, Its the head coach who is taking the main role and doing silliest things possible.

The last WC, He kept and insisted like a child for the inclusion of Nasir Jamshed despite all big Cricket gurus and sensible public were voicing their views for Sarfraz Ahmed as an opener. After enormous pressure and consistent failures, he was forced to induct Sarfraz and when he scored a century he then said I love the guy.

You can be called as a cricket fool Mr. Coach, That is not something personal but on logical and cricketing grounds. You will never be able to find a good combination till you take a bit of backseat put your ego and bran aside a bit and let the captain find the right combination for his team.

An ex-victimized Pakistani bowler tanvir ahmed said to our local sports channel interview that Waqar won't be able to drop Ahmed Shehzad in the forthcoming T-20's as Shahid Afridi is a strong captain and does what he finds best for his team. Quite agree with him

It is not about a certain player it is about dropping the deserving and talented players out because of either ego or foolish cricketing brain and giving chances to less-talented players and trying to make them permanent members of the squad. Try out and you will go nowhere.....

 

[richowebbo]

See, He has again gone with a make-shift opener Babar Azam and deliberately kept the regular opener out of the squad. The main headline on cricinfo states that Pakistan is struggling to find a winning combination. All this blame goes to the Head Coach who is acting like a captain at this stage. No one is bigger than the captain but in Pak ODI team, Its the head coach who is taking the main role and doing silliest things possible.

The last WC, He kept and insisted like a child for the inclusion of Nasir Jamshed despite all big Cricket gurus and sensible public were voicing their views for Sarfraz Ahmed as an opener. After enormous pressure and consistent failures, he was forced to induct Sarfraz and when he scored a century he then said I love the guy.

You can be called as a cricket fool Mr. Coach, That is not something personal but on logical and cricketing grounds. You will never be able to find a good combination till you take a bit of backseat put your ego and bran aside a bit and let the captain find the right combination for his team.

An ex-victimized Pakistani bowler tanvir ahmed said to our local sports channel interview that Waqar won't be able to drop Ahmed Shehzad in the forthcoming T-20's as Shahid Afridi is a strong captain and does what he finds best for his team. Quite agree with him

It is not about a certain player it is about dropping the deserving and talented players out because of either ego or foolish cricketing brain and giving chances to less-talented players and trying to make them permanent members of the squad. Try out and you will go nowhere.....

As head coach, I think that it's his prerogative to pick who he thinks will win a match. Certainly I don't think he's maliciously picking players he think will lose!

Who would you want in charge, in a perfect world?

This looks like a high scoring match!

 

[richowebbo]

I don't want to get on, and don't agree with, the bandwagon who always slate our spinners if they don't bowl great.

However, they're all rounders and that shows when, Rashid in particular, bowl rubbish deliveries. What England are missing is a spin bowler who creates doubt and a bit of fear in the batsmen minds. This is really important in ODI's and T20's. IN Tests, if you can bowl a good line and hold up an end, job done, but in shorter format, you need to threaten to take wickets.

 

[Rehan_24]

As head coach, I think that it's his prerogative to pick who he thinks will win a match. Certainly I don't think he's maliciously picking players he think will lose!

Who would you want in charge, in a perfect world?

This looks like a high scoring match!

The captain has more rights than a coach. Coach job is to assist and plan not to dictate his terms. Apparently with the history seen his recent talks on selection particularly, The case seems opposite, He is leading and Captain is just going like a puppet. A set batsman at no. 5 has now failed twice as an opener. Experimentation is good but silly decisions and blunders cost you match sorry to say.

On another note, Azhar Ali again got runout, He is on his way to break Inzamam's run-out marathon soon if things go like this.. lol

For the match, my verdict is for England

 

[Rehan_24]

There you go with a collapse of a already collapsed planning and batting line-up

An automatic squad with current lot is:

Muhammad Hafeez
Ahmed Shehzad
Azhar Ali
Shoaib Malik
Babar Azam
M. Rizwan
Sarfraz Ahmed (wk)
Anwar Ali
Wahab Riaz
Yasir Shah/Gohar/Bilal Asif
M. Irfan

But alas....

 

[richowebbo]

The captain has more rights than a coach. Coach job is to assist and plan not to dictate his terms. Apparently with the history seen his recent talks on selection particularly, The case seems opposite, He is leading and Captain is just going like a puppet. A set batsman at no. 5 has now failed twice as an opener. Experimentation is good but silly decisions and blunders cost you match sorry to say.

On another note, Azhar Ali again got runout, He is on his way to break Inzamam's run-out marathon soon if things go like this.. lol

For the match, my verdict is for England

I think the captain and the coach should both have equal say on selection. I see it the completely opposite way to you, I want to see a coach picking a team, as in football/rugby etc. and then the captain getting the best out of the players he has.

Brilliant stuff here, we were in trouble with Hafeez set and Sarfraz looking comfy. Silly run-out there for Pakistan.

 

[Rehan_24]

I think the captain and the coach should both have equal say on selection. I see it the completely opposite way to you, I want to see a coach picking a team, as in football/rugby etc. and then the captain getting the best out of the players he has.

Brilliant stuff here, we were in trouble with Hafeez set and Sarfraz looking comfy. Silly run-out there for Pakistan.

We are seeing the results of a coach having extra powers here mate... so the format at-present currently doesn't suit our team in my opinion. Your view is respected. I will differ with the saying that Cricket is quite different than football/rugby, It is a 14 hours constant on-ground job with field strategies, bowling changes, making different calls etc, As the Great Imran Khan said "Cricket is a chess of sports" It is the captain who has to extract the best results from his players so captain should have more say in selection as well, His call should be final. It has a lot more ground strategy then backdoor things. As we can see in history of Cricket, Captain is always more to share the onus relative to coach.

 

[CerealKiller]

Disgusting captaincy from Azhar. Why the f*ck are you bringing yourself on, when there are 2 world-class fast bowlers just waiting? Is he an idiot or what?

 

[bigred]

I don't want to get on, and don't agree with, the bandwagon who always slate our spinners if they don't bowl great.

However, they're all rounders and that shows when, Rashid in particular, bowl rubbish deliveries. What England are missing is a spin bowler who creates doubt and a bit of fear in the batsmen minds. This is really important in ODI's and T20's. IN Tests, if you can bowl a good line and hold up an end, job done, but in shorter format, you need to threaten to take wickets.

Stephen Parry has to play in T20 World Cup. Far superior limited overs spinner to Rashid. We don't need the extra batting. The 8 and 9 spots can go to people like Woakes, Broad, Plunkett, Jordan and Willey.

 

[PokerAce]

Not following this game, but these Vaughan tweets popped up in the twitter feed -

Now run outs can happen ... anything particularly suspicious about the run outs?

 

[Perfect Square]

Ok Thats It England won this match quite Easily in the end.
England Lead by 2-1 in this 4 Matches ODI Series