Recess Mafia - Mafia (Hedger & IceAge) Win!

[IceAgeComing]

Expect a bit of a megapost: this is the best chance I've had to respond to people posting over Christmas. Not a lot has changed tbh...

I think you've got the wrong end of the stick there. He thinks Muskateer is more likely to be town than joejoe, but at the same same time he isn't keen to totally excuse joejoe from his suspicions.
Correct me if I'm chatting out of my backside.

This is exactly what I meant: I probably should have said "townish" or something to clarify it...

it doesn't change the fact that themuskateer is equally suspicious since he lynched El Loco and later said that it was random.

This is why I'm more suspicious of themusketeer: the middle of day 2 isn't really the time for random lynches of that sort: you either do that right at the start of day 1 or not at all. Like I said I am suspicious of both of them; but I have this hunch that joejoe is more likely to be the newbie town person that themusketeer. They may both be scum, but I currently doubt that since that would make the game have a bit of an anti-town bias...

Exactly. What I'm saying is - if I haven't missed anything - he is the one to have lynched someone first, with a reason, that is. Maybe he wants someone out ASAP because there wasn't a kill the night before. I don't think he is mafia aligned just yet, just pointing this fact out.

I think my reasoning for the vote was sound, as is my reasoning for not wanting another no lynch. My position is that no lynches don't help the town because it is a wasted day, especially considering that whatever blocked a night kill last night is unlikely to happen tonight. The advantage of "no lynch day 1" is that it lets you have your power roles do their thing and get information (not something I agree with by rule since it generally creates a quiet day 1 and then PRs are acting pretty blind and you could end with one of them NKed: although it worked for us in this game!), a day 2 no lynch increases that chance that your power roles are not going to survive to report their findings. I don't just want to lynch anyone or I'd have jumped into the joejoe bandwagon - I was just concerned that unless someone decided to actually make a considered and rational vote then we'd end up wasting the day and that wouldn't be good for anyone.

On the thedon situation: that sort of quick post for a vote position does look suspicious, but if it was activity related then I can understand why you would do it. I think we should be a bit more lenient to that sort of thing around this time of year...

 

[hedger_14]

Okay, missed a bit over the last couple of days.

First of all Loco, why are you putting Varun as basically your highest townread (since you've put him tied with sulaiman)? I don't agree that Varun's done enough to show that he's town and hasn't been involved enough to put him that high. Apart from that, I don't think Simon has done enough to warrant a townread, and really want to know why you don't trust me to the extent that you can townread someone that hasn't talked today (well not until after you posted that) more than myself.

Why the hell are we splitting votes though. With it getting close to the night stage (or I would assume), splitting votes to the fact where we're probably not going to get much of a defence out of either is sub-optimal.

but I'm a bit suspicious of him since he seems a bit too aggressive towards Yash when it's a known fact that he throws hissy fits.

I don't quite get that logic? The fact that he throws hissy fits means me being aggressive towards him is scummy? how so? Still I know I lost a little control yesterday and tempers flared a little, and put my focus elsewhere to get proper discussion going, rather than just a screaming match which makes others feel awkward.

 

[themusketeer]

Interesting bandwagon (?) on joejoe. Surely his lynch on themuskateer was suspicious, it doesn't change the fact that themuskateer is equally suspicious since he lynched El Loco and later said that it was random. This sequence of events makes me feel that at least one of themuskateer, joejoe and El Loco is mafia, although I'm inclining towards themuskateer for now.

I think I gave the reason why I lynched EL loco . It was a Misread/ Random Lynch ,You all will understand this as a newbie I will do some mistake.

As we Have no clue at this stage of Game at all so I really dont know how can I prove my self as a townie.

Well, I've gone through the thread over and over again and tried to suss out what I can from Muskateer's play. One thing I have noticed is his eagerness to disregard what has passed before him and come to his own conclusions.

Lynch: themusketeer

And How can You say that ?

? To me, both musk and joe give me anti-town vibes but their almost-no-posting is making it harder for us to judge. I've a feeling that one of them is a town but I don't have any idea who.

Cant post every minute , when I have No clue /Any other things to discuss except proving Myself as a Townie.

You can't really say bandwagon, I see people listing their reasons except for musk ofc but then comes the point where both of them look scummy. Till now, the only person of whom I'm getting town vibes is Simon but ain't sure of it yet as I found this a little interesting..

You have to read the posts again.
I clearly Gave a reason .

And Do tell Me why You having anti -Town vibes on me after I explained myself.

 

[Gaurav_7]

Okay people. 48 hours for the day to end!

 

[El Loco]

Okay, missed a bit over the last couple of days.

First of all Loco, why are you putting Varun as basically your highest townread (since you've put him tied with sulaiman)? I don't agree that Varun's done enough to show that he's town and hasn't been involved enough to put him that high. Apart from that, I don't think Simon has done enough to warrant a townread, and really want to know why you don't trust me to the extent that you can townread someone that hasn't talked today (well not until after you posted that) more than myself.

Well, I did say for better or for worse...
I did state that Simon was by no means affirmed townie, if you'll have a read of the whole thing please.
But the reason I do not totally trust you is because your posts give me an aura of premeditation which ever so slightly perturbs me.

And How can You say that ?

Because that's more or less exactly what you've done. I don't see your conclusions coming from anywhere else apart from what you've fabricated yourself.

 

[SiriusBlack]

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[hedger_14]

I think it's rather distracting when people go for pointless arguments, and it could well be a mafia tactic to take the discussion astray and getting a townie lynched. It's not really sound evidence for someone being a mafia

That looks a bit over the place so sorry if my question isn't answering what you're trying to say here but what isn't sound evidence for someone being mafia? I pushed on yash based on his next to useless posts and his further defences to my first suspicions by contradicting himself continuously. Arguing with him was based on the fact I'm a confrontational player at times when people use stupid logic and things just got out of hands a little, that was it, rather than a tactic to take the discussion astray. Also given the fact it was day 1 and nothing was happening, what would have been the goal? There is nothing that would have been worth getting the discussion away from, and making a scene for the sake of it is kinda useless as it just draws attention onto myself.

As for the decoy, I haven't watched the movie in forever. I'm not sure what you have in mind with the decoy or if this is just a terrible attempt at trying to keep the discussion off more important matters but if you are meaning something like Varun said in the principal could be a miller. What does it matter if the principal is town or mafia? Putting aside character claims, that shouldn't change the way we play this game. Should someone claim the principal, then you can make a decision then but for the time being I think discussion is better used elsewhere.

I did state that Simon was by no means affirmed townie, if you'll have a read of the whole thing please.
But the reason I do not totally trust you is because your posts give me an aura of premeditation which ever so slightly perturbs me.

Yes, I read the whole post, and the fact that you mentioned it afterwards yet still putting him third on your townread list was what bothered me.

And expand on 'aura of premeditation'. My play has been based on what's happening, and my reads/where to discuss/whatever you want to call it have changed based on what people say, so I'm not sure where you get the premeditation from, unless you have a different meaning there. Otherwise I wouldn't mind you trying to point out what you see as premeditated.

 

[El Loco]

Why the hell are we splitting votes though. With it getting close to the night stage (or I would assume), splitting votes to the fact where we're probably not going to get much of a defence out of either is sub-optimal.

I really dont know how can I prove my self as a townie.

How about I suggest a different course of action? I agree with Hedger on that it seems apparent that we're not going to be able to reach a conclusion like this. In which case, who would be up for Muskateer and Joejoe both claiming? Then we could make a decision between the two. Any endorsers?

Yes, I read the whole post, and the fact that you mentioned it afterwards yet still putting him third on your townread list was what bothered me.

And expand on 'aura of premeditation'. My play has been based on what's happening, and my reads/where to discuss/whatever you want to call it have changed based on what people say, so I'm not sure where you get the premeditation from, unless you have a different meaning there. Otherwise I wouldn't mind you trying to point out what you see as premeditated.

I wouldn't have expected a townie to take much issue with what I had posted as it's not like I'm going to use it as a reference the next time I am deciding between lynches. But you seem to be taking issue with me trying to exercise some healthy caution, which I actually thought you'd be appreciative of.
You also seem to be insistent on disregarding the fact that you were actually leaning town for me as well, possibly less so now.
It's not like I had placed a FOS on you, which I've only done on the last 3 I specified, or am on the verge of lynching you, only then, I feel, would your response be justified.

 

[El Loco]

...What's going on? The day hasn't ended yet, has it?

 

[Varun]

I think I gave the reason why I lynched EL loco . It was a Misread/ Random Lynch ,You all will understand this as a newbie I will do some mistake.

You do realize that joejoe could give the same reason for your lynch, right?

 

[Varun]

That looks a bit over the place so sorry if my question isn't answering what you're trying to say here but what isn't sound evidence for someone being mafia? I pushed on yash based on his next to useless posts and his further defences to my first suspicions by contradicting himself continuously. Arguing with him was based on the fact I'm a confrontational player at times when people use stupid logic and things just got out of hands a little, that was it, rather than a tactic to take the discussion astray. Also given the fact it was day 1 and nothing was happening, what would have been the goal? There is nothing that would have been worth getting the discussion away from, and making a scene for the sake of it is kinda useless as it just draws attention onto myself.

Simon only suggested that it's possible you're mafia and gave his reasons. I don't think your 'defence' counters any of his points. Adding to that, I haven't got not enough strong town vibes from you for me to consider you one.

I think I'll lynch: themusketeer. He looks the most scummy to me, and I'm willing to take the risk, since it's day 2 already

 

[hedger_14]

I wouldn't have expected a townie to take much issue with what I had posted as it's not like I'm going to use it as a reference the next time I am deciding between lynches. But you seem to be taking issue with me trying to exercise some healthy caution, which I actually thought you'd be appreciative of.

healthy caution is fine, that's not the reason why I've been a little more questioning of you. You just stopped giving off as many town vibes as today went on due to being a little more passive and getting you to explain your logic behind your reads was more to see whether you were making shit up or whether they were genuine reads (which I'll just say you're town and I'm pretty sure of that now). Note I pointed out both your read on Simon and myself because they were the reads I could not 100% see how you were getting to. Everything else was fine for me, I wanted confirmation on those particular reads, rather than trying to discredit your cautious attitude towards me, (although while being cautious is fine, that doesn't mean my responses have tried to get rid of those doubts). I'm also a player that can't come to accurate reads when under suspicion because I'm more focused on defending myself than using logic to scumhunt, thus defending myself from possible suspicion is something I do continuously.

Also I wouldn't get claims now, with it about to go to nighttime since that will just play into the mafia's hands. I'd rather the mafia has to kill without having to narrow down pr's (if one or two of musk/joe are town), and if they're mafia, then I don't think we're going to have much time to force a lynch unless user agrees to extend the day even further.

 

[hedger_14]

I don't think your 'defence' counters any of his points

I thought my defence answered all of his points to some extent if not entirely, so I find it slightly interesting that you come to that conclusion.

Anyway, joejoe is a much better lynch than musk in my honest opinion, merely based on team reads. I think Varun has a good chance of flipping scum, which I think he would push more on joejoe than bus in this situation, or just wait for them to claim before putting more pressure on.

And since I don't think both varun and thedon are town, and if thedon is mafia, I think his entrance in agreement with musk makes them look like a non-team, thus would lean on joe being more likely scum (I can see thedon busing the way he did, with only very slight pressure on joejoe).

 

[Sulaiman7]

Okay, so I ain't lynching no-one without claims. Whatsoever, I'm more suspicious of musk as joe looks like a pure newbie to me (and doesn't have any clue on what's going on meanwhile musk tried defending himself or perhaps tried escaping by giving no reasons, I take "oh you know I'm new guys so I don't have anything to defend myself with" as no reason). Also, I don't know how Loco's been passive this day, he has been questioning and has been answering his suspicions. He's leaning town for me but that doesn't change the fact that Hedger has defended himself quite well.

I'll add more on today but right now I don't have time, have a lot of things to take care of. Expect something from me or at least a lynch post just to not get this day wasted but that lynch won't be random.

Little extension please.

 

[Sulaiman7]

Okay, about Don, I don't know if anyone would want to bus his partner specially when he's traveling. Don and Yash have been very quite today, you got into a fight yesterday doesn't mean that you don't have to say anything or at least of what matters the most. About that miller role, well most times or every time the miller doesn't know that he is one but is told that he's a vanilla but in this case where there's a man, serving evil in the face of principle and the principle locked up makes me think that there's some kinda role that principle cannot speak unless is investigated by the cop or somewhat similar but then it wouldn't be miller.[DOUBLEPOST=1419860893][/DOUBLEPOST]Oh and wait, @shoaibakhtar it a part of this too....[DOUBLEPOST=1419860931][/DOUBLEPOST]

me (and doesn't have any clue

as he doesn't have any clue*

sorry.