Satish's 4.0 Exposed : Is Copied From Tutsi's 2.1
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satish_lastride
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lol..u two royally put me down & when i asked u some harmless questions u decided to happily step out of the argument..thats fine..sums up the way i have been treated...langerrox said:
anyways i did wat colin suggested me to do..i compared the 2 files..YES,except for the field physics.cfg al the other PACING files are identical to tutsi...
i have no clue how its come out that way & i strongly deny copying tutsi's work...once the again the 2 patches are different from each other cuz of the bowling,fielding & batting options..its just the pacing thats identical..
i just want one of the admins or colin to reply to my next question(hope the others dont mind,take this as my last wish or sumthing)..
i have no idea how the pacing files are identical & i didnt intend to copy tutsi's work & i deny doing it..and for that reason i refuse to apologise..
the ball's now in your court..i happily accept anything that you guys decide on this matter..it wud be great if you can close this thread with your final say cuz its irritating for me to see some guys degrading me for no reasons..hell i feel like i have murdered sumbody
:..hope the admins or colin will do this for me...
lets put a full stop to this issue which is not good to read...
i wish patch makers tread carefully in future when making patches.. because some people dont want their work to be ripped off.. they expect credit.. i am not that kind. i dont mind if my work is given credit or not! i dont mind it.. but i have come across people who expect the credit.. so give it to them...
instead of one person denying the charges and a few others trying to prove that this person is wrong, lets close all this and get back to where we were before this issue started! lets do a System Restore (a'la Windows XP style)! since satish is denying this so confidently, i would say to tutsi, leave it!
and to satish - in future to avoid all this, after you create your patch, compare it with the patches of tutsi, boss, eddie, sid, etc and just check out if you're unique
i wish patch makers tread carefully in future when making patches.. because some people dont want their work to be ripped off.. they expect credit.. i am not that kind. i dont mind if my work is given credit or not! i dont mind it.. but i have come across people who expect the credit.. so give it to them...
instead of one person denying the charges and a few others trying to prove that this person is wrong, lets close all this and get back to where we were before this issue started! lets do a System Restore (a'la Windows XP style)! since satish is denying this so confidently, i would say to tutsi, leave it!
and to satish - in future to avoid all this, after you create your patch, compare it with the patches of tutsi, boss, eddie, sid, etc and just check out if you're unique
sorry satish,i know you wanted the admins to close this thread,but let me tell what i feel.
what is evrybody raving about? tutsi,boss,satish are people trying to make the game enjoyable for us.all of these guys base their work on the game c2k5,so i dont see anything wrong if these guys base their work on each other (satish,i dont mean to say you did)
the bottomline is that each patch should differentiate itself from the rest like sai said.and i for one have used both the concerned patches & i can strongly say that satish's patch is different & impressive for reasons such as varied bowling & outfield pacing.
i dont see why all you guys are blasting away at each other.isnt this forum meant to share,so that evryone can enjoy the game? i think tutsi acted aggressive for no real reasons.he doesnt have the patch patented,does he?like sai,i wouldnt mind if some one uses my work as long as he makes it better.
what is evrybody raving about? tutsi,boss,satish are people trying to make the game enjoyable for us.all of these guys base their work on the game c2k5,so i dont see anything wrong if these guys base their work on each other (satish,i dont mean to say you did)
the bottomline is that each patch should differentiate itself from the rest like sai said.and i for one have used both the concerned patches & i can strongly say that satish's patch is different & impressive for reasons such as varied bowling & outfield pacing.
i dont see why all you guys are blasting away at each other.isnt this forum meant to share,so that evryone can enjoy the game? i think tutsi acted aggressive for no real reasons.he doesnt have the patch patented,does he?like sai,i wouldnt mind if some one uses my work as long as he makes it better.
tutsipoppy2
International Coach
Why i am so irritated is because this has happened 3-4th time with my patch.
There is no reason which can justify the fact the Difficulty and the Pacing are EXACTLY same. I mean, there is no way two people can have the SAME EXACT value for their individual patches unless it is copyied.
I've been saying time and again tht DO NOT use my patches as a base patch but use the original CFG as a base.
I'm really shocked to see how Satish can deny the accusation, given the proof.
He says that the 2 patches(his n mine) are different. I'll explain.
There are 4 parts when it comes to A.I. patching.
1. CPU Difficulty values : (l_easy, l_normal, l_hard, u_easy, u_normal, u_hard) : These are the building blocks of a patch. All the MAIN values are in these files. The real brain of the A.I. Everything tht cpu does on the field, in his batting n bowling, how much seam, swing, spin, the amount of edges, how tailends play,etc. Every damn thing is in these files. Now how can Satish justify tht even though each n every value(xcept cursor size) is XACTLY SAME, n then say tht he hasnt copied.
2. Pacing : (oneday10, oneday20, oneday45, oneday50) : These files determine how cpu plays throught the different phases of the match. Like how he plays in a 10,20 over match and how he plays in a 45,50 match. Again, Now how can Satish justify tht even though each n every value is XACTLY SAME, n then say tht he hasnt copied.
3. Field Physics : These determine how the filed behaves : I'm not saying these are copied, besides there are hardly 2 values which needs to be changed. Anyone can do tht.
4. Strokes : These are all the strokes, their direction, power etc. Here Satish has done an original job(atleast not copied from mine, dunno about others's). AND THIS IS THE ONLY REASON WHY OUR PATCHES ARE SLIGHLY DIFFERENT FROM EACH OTHER.
Normally nobody can point a difference b/w 2 patches coz they can only notice the strokes (n field behavior) which they n cpu plays. The rest, the main thing, is all hidden and thats where the whole thing has come up.
U also said that:
"BTW wat was tutsi doing autopsying my patch when he had more pressing issues like releasing his own patch???"
I'll say tht since copying of my patch has beem goin on, so now i look into each n every newcommers patches so see if they have copied or not. and not to my surprize i found urs XACTLY SIMILAR TO MINE.
"wailing about his efforts just to evoke sympathy & for cheap publicity"
Look man, i am a MOD and besides tht, i have much more reps for myself in other people's heart tht i do not need any kinnda of a thing for publicity. On the other hand i can also say u are the one trying to live on my rep. by copying stuff from my patch to make ur patch as good as mine, coz u know u dont have the skills to go original n reach that livel which i have attained.
"i didnt learn patching by reading boss's tutorial"
I strongly suggest tht u read that thing 4-5 times, learn patching, and then make an original patch from the original cfg of cricket 2005.
And this thread is NOT to be closed, and we are not goin for a SYSTEM RESTORE. Coz thats only a make shift solution and like a virus this thing will get back at us(ME) again.
Maybe u guys have no prob. in ur work being taken n all, but i have a problem wth my work taken.
I've got a feeling tht no matter what Satish is not goin to accept.
I seriously request some action rather than shutting this topic up, tht will really be like going defensive n doint nothing.
There is no reason which can justify the fact the Difficulty and the Pacing are EXACTLY same. I mean, there is no way two people can have the SAME EXACT value for their individual patches unless it is copyied.
I've been saying time and again tht DO NOT use my patches as a base patch but use the original CFG as a base.
I'm really shocked to see how Satish can deny the accusation, given the proof.
He says that the 2 patches(his n mine) are different. I'll explain.
There are 4 parts when it comes to A.I. patching.
1. CPU Difficulty values : (l_easy, l_normal, l_hard, u_easy, u_normal, u_hard) : These are the building blocks of a patch. All the MAIN values are in these files. The real brain of the A.I. Everything tht cpu does on the field, in his batting n bowling, how much seam, swing, spin, the amount of edges, how tailends play,etc. Every damn thing is in these files. Now how can Satish justify tht even though each n every value(xcept cursor size) is XACTLY SAME, n then say tht he hasnt copied.
2. Pacing : (oneday10, oneday20, oneday45, oneday50) : These files determine how cpu plays throught the different phases of the match. Like how he plays in a 10,20 over match and how he plays in a 45,50 match. Again, Now how can Satish justify tht even though each n every value is XACTLY SAME, n then say tht he hasnt copied.
3. Field Physics : These determine how the filed behaves : I'm not saying these are copied, besides there are hardly 2 values which needs to be changed. Anyone can do tht.
4. Strokes : These are all the strokes, their direction, power etc. Here Satish has done an original job(atleast not copied from mine, dunno about others's). AND THIS IS THE ONLY REASON WHY OUR PATCHES ARE SLIGHLY DIFFERENT FROM EACH OTHER.
Normally nobody can point a difference b/w 2 patches coz they can only notice the strokes (n field behavior) which they n cpu plays. The rest, the main thing, is all hidden and thats where the whole thing has come up.
U also said that:
"BTW wat was tutsi doing autopsying my patch when he had more pressing issues like releasing his own patch???"
I'll say tht since copying of my patch has beem goin on, so now i look into each n every newcommers patches so see if they have copied or not. and not to my surprize i found urs XACTLY SIMILAR TO MINE.
"wailing about his efforts just to evoke sympathy & for cheap publicity"
Look man, i am a MOD and besides tht, i have much more reps for myself in other people's heart tht i do not need any kinnda of a thing for publicity. On the other hand i can also say u are the one trying to live on my rep. by copying stuff from my patch to make ur patch as good as mine, coz u know u dont have the skills to go original n reach that livel which i have attained.
"i didnt learn patching by reading boss's tutorial"
I strongly suggest tht u read that thing 4-5 times, learn patching, and then make an original patch from the original cfg of cricket 2005.
And this thread is NOT to be closed, and we are not goin for a SYSTEM RESTORE. Coz thats only a make shift solution and like a virus this thing will get back at us(ME) again.
Maybe u guys have no prob. in ur work being taken n all, but i have a problem wth my work taken.
I've got a feeling tht no matter what Satish is not goin to accept.
I seriously request some action rather than shutting this topic up, tht will really be like going defensive n doint nothing.
indiancricketer
International Coach
ok im going to have a SAY in this...i have created patches before ad i have editted the ones which are already been made .... that dont me the person copied it if the person changes and customize a PATCH or anything it is now thiers cause they have fixed it up...its like a CAR you go to the shop and get it fixed and personalize but say your neighbour does the same but changes a few things dont mean he copied you...Tutsi i understand your mad cause someone used your patch or whatever but you as a mod have created an a problem for no reason....starting a thread and pointing a finger isnt an way...and plus when hes saying he hasnt DONE IT over and over and over he hasnt done it then....like i said even if someone makes the SMALLEST change in your patch doesnt mean they copied it...the have fixed it...copied means EVERYTHINGS The same...after seening all the facts thier are few things changed in satish patch so it isnt copied....tutsi what can you do...can you stop people from doing that...you should be happy because you and the BOSS and the best patch makers AI...you know even if anyone copies you make a new 1 to beat them at thier OWN GAME!....and i know your capable of doing this 
tutsipoppy2
International Coach
Its not about who's patch is the best.
Also, if he would have taken some parts of the config or sumthing like tht, i wouldnt have said anything. But copying everything, then renaming it to your, no credit what so ever, no permission taken from the original patch maker, then dening tht he did tht.
All this is not good at all.
Also, if he would have taken some parts of the config or sumthing like tht, i wouldnt have said anything. But copying everything, then renaming it to your, no credit what so ever, no permission taken from the original patch maker, then dening tht he did tht.
All this is not good at all.
INDIAN CRICKETER "ok im going to have a SAY in this...i have created patches before ad i have editted the ones which are already been made .... that dont me the person copied it if the person changes and customize a PATCH or anything it is now thiers cause they have fixed it up...its like a CAR you go to the shop and get it fixed and personalize but say your neighbour does the same but changes a few things dont mean he copied you...Tutsi i understand your mad cause someone used your patch or whatever but you as a mod have created an a problem for no reason....starting a thread and pointing a finger isnt an way...and plus when hes saying he hasnt DONE IT over and over and over he hasnt done it then....like i said even if someone makes the SMALLEST change in your patch doesnt mean they copied it...the have fixed it...copied means EVERYTHINGS The same...after seening all the facts thier are few things changed in satish patch so it isnt copied....tutsi what can you do...can you stop people from doing that...you should be happy because you and the BOSS and the best patch makers AI...you know even if anyone copies you make a new 1 to beat them at thier OWN GAME!....and i know your capable of doing this"
dude i totally agree wid u. theres no such thing as coping in this patch makin. tutsi man i m not against ur anythin but, all patch makers triyin to do the best for the game lovers. And starting a thread accusing someone widout thoroughly investingatin, is not right. anyways ......this not a big issue....we dont need to ban anyone or anything. few ppl jus enjoy make this minor issue in to a big thing......Tutsi and Satish......u both r gr8 patchers. one more thing i have noticed tusti's and satish's patches both have awesome results but few things lack in satish or in tutsi's so its fine if we mix them up to make the best out of it. And Satish, i i really believe that u have not done it. so dont get discouraged wid all this. We and specially I apprecitate ur work.
Be cool guys,
make the game intersting, not personal issues........
PEACE.
dude i totally agree wid u. theres no such thing as coping in this patch makin. tutsi man i m not against ur anythin but, all patch makers triyin to do the best for the game lovers. And starting a thread accusing someone widout thoroughly investingatin, is not right. anyways ......this not a big issue....we dont need to ban anyone or anything. few ppl jus enjoy make this minor issue in to a big thing......Tutsi and Satish......u both r gr8 patchers. one more thing i have noticed tusti's and satish's patches both have awesome results but few things lack in satish or in tutsi's so its fine if we mix them up to make the best out of it. And Satish, i i really believe that u have not done it. so dont get discouraged wid all this. We and specially I apprecitate ur work.
Be cool guys,
make the game intersting, not personal issues........
PEACE.
ndn_enigma
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First of all guys... we're all infringing copyright by making these patches... secondly, we only make patches to make the game more enjoyable... and if Satish managed to do that basing his patch on Tutsi's... let him be... I appreciate his efforts to make the game better.
ndn_enigma said:
A basic precept of this forum is that everything is open-source and people will always allow their work to be used. However using it without credit and claiming it as your own is completely out of order.
Basing and copying are different. Let's be totally clear about this; the odd value isn't the same; nearly every single one is.
Speaking as someone who has had my work copied and released by someone else as theirs I can totally empathise with Tutsi here. People put a lot of time and effort into making these patches and should be afforded protection from others who seek to take advantage of that.
ndn_enigma
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Are you sure he copied absolutely everything?.. Instead of comparing his values with Tutsi's 2.1... did you compare his values with the default EA values?
FreddieFan
International Coach
ndn_enigma said:
From what I can gather, there is no argument about the fact that the values are similar, and I do not believe Satish has denied this. The question is whether it was deliberately copied or an honest mistake - they both experimented and came to the same results.
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