Season 2012-13 predictions

The first page of this thread is bordering on bonkers.

Spurs 6th but overachievers?!?

Martin O'Neil manager of the year with Sunderland not even in the top 7? Stoke to get relegated?!?

Man U to do the triple?!?

What are people on? Seriously haha

Also, Allen is a genuinely good midfielder. Certainly not worth close to 20m yet, but not far off around 10m. Any fee that is bigger than that will inevitably be tied into various performance clauses anyway. GB were actually in control until he went off today. He ran the Swansea midfield, and some coach rated him one of the most talented midfielders he has ever worked with. He's better than Charlie Adam and Henderson for starters.

Team GB were royally screwed today, eh? Not only was that a penalty, it was also a red card - an awful tackle and awful decision which could easily come back to haunt us down the line. That ref was useless - Senegal kicked us from pillar to post for the entire game, how they finished the game with eleven men is beyond me. Bunch of foulers, the lot of them.
 
I would agree if it wasn't for the fact we basically created 2 shots on goal all game compared to their countless efforts. Second half we were absolutely dreadful and didn't deserve anything.

Of course it should have been a penalty, but Richards for me demonstrated exactly why neither Capello or Hodgson took him for England. He's lost his pace, gotten fat over the summer, and was caught half asleep for the goal. Granted it was one of the three left-backs in the team that played the striker onside, but Richards initially broke Caulker's line and Taylor went to cover it. The attitude problem he has been suspected of having was almost proven today. He has known he would be playing in the Olympics, and it was up to him to stay fit.

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Also Sordell is absolutely dreadful haha. Has no pace, no skill, is weak in the air, poor off the ball, can't finish and well... I could go on, but apparently "he offered something different when he came on!" God the press are ridiculously retarded, drives me mad.

Still, if Heskey is an example, that'll be 50+ caps for him then :p

Sturridge looked so lacking in match fitness, that England may well struggle to actually score. Was ridiculous to see Giggs play all 90mins as well, he looked knackered after 70.

Cleverly really does look a player, although defensively he's very shy of getting stuck in. Seems to be worried he'll get injured with each challenge. On the ball looks very composed though. Caulker looks excellent, and could really step in for Spurs next year.
 
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Would disagree on why Capello and Hodgson didn't Richards.

The Richards in the two games for Britain certainly looks nothing more than a man that has added weight in the summer. During the last season, that certainly wasn't the case since he was showing great pace and solid defensive ability.

Capello not picking him and preferring to pick Glen Johnson was one of worst decisions of his tenure without a doubt.

However no doubt Mancini would certainly not be pleased about his weight currently going into the new season.
 
Aye, Caulker looks promising. England look well stocked at the back with him, Chill, Smalling and Jones possibly fighting for places in the future.
 
While Liverpool might be spending a lot on transfers, as puddleduck pointed out about Cahill, it is easy to forget that most of the money spent on players is on wages. Liverpool offer something like 1/4 of the wages offered by the other big clubs. So even if they sign Allen (speculation for now) for 15m or whatever it is, he won't earn more than 70k/week. Also, ste made a very good point about how it is difficult for Liveprool to make bargain deals because of the reputation they earned under Dalglish. Clubs are going to milk Liverpool for every last penny because Kenny was too persistent in his market dealings.

Chelsea top Premier League wage table | News | EN for Business

Accoring to this, Liverpool pay the fourth highest wages in the league, even more than Arsenal who pay players like Chamakh and Squillaci 50 K a week.

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The first page of this thread is bordering on bonkers.

Spurs 6th but overachievers?!?

Martin O'Neil manager of the year with Sunderland not even in the top 7? Stoke to get relegated?!?

Man U to do the triple?!?

What are people on? Seriously haha

Also, Allen is a genuinely good midfielder. Certainly not worth close to 20m yet, but not far off around 10m. Any fee that is bigger than that will inevitably be tied into various performance clauses anyway. GB were actually in control until he went off today. He ran the Swansea midfield, and some coach rated him one of the most talented midfielders he has ever worked with. He's better than Charlie Adam and Henderson for starters.

I selected Martin O'Neill because based on the top 7 I predicted, none of them would be due to great managerial skills as all have squads at a level similar to their position in that table.

Sunderland don't even have a good striker now without Gyan and Bendtner I believe, so I don't know, I reckon their squad is more around 12th or 13th, maybe lower, but I reckon Martin O'Neill can keep them in the top half. As soon as he came in last season it was his management alone

Stoke City getting relegated is more a hope than a wish:p.

As I said, it's far, far too early to judge anything really. Waiting till the transfer market closes to make a proper guess. At this stage the relegation candidates are pure random guesses and not at all educated ones, I just put whoever there.

I'm guessing a Man Utd fan suggested they'd win the triple. I've come to expect that from them.

Allen is good and has some of the best stats in Europe for a midfielder. Rodgers also knows exactly how to use him and he can be the one to make the Liverpool midfield tick. Problem is though, he has just one season of top level experience and definitely doesn't stick out as top class, or the sort of player you'd pay 13 m or 15 m on.

He will be a very good signing, but ridiculous transfer fee. Some foreign flair could do Liverpool some good too.
 
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I personally find it more ridiculous the amount of people who have predicted Chelsea to finish ahead of one of the Manchester clubs, or to win the goddamn title:facepalm. They finished below bloody Newcastle, and people expect young, inexperienced (but incredibly talented) players like Marin, the Hazards and Oscar to magically take them to the title when they've lost an infinitely better and more important player in Drogba. Even Marin and Thorgan Hazard can hardly be considered incredibly talented just yet.

Expecting people to jump all over this and start mentioning the CL, but honestly, if that is all you can say, they'll win the title because they won the CL, then you clearly didn't watch enough of Chelsea last season, even after RDM. Knockout competitions create upsets, that's what makes it exciting. Doesn't always mean the best team wins, because Barca or Real didn't win it.

You need consistency to win the league, not just luck or great skill in one or two matches like in the CL. Based on last season's showing, Chelsea aren't very consistent, whereas both Mancunian clubs can be backed to win game after game due to their great consistency.
 
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Accoring to this, Liverpool pay the fourth highest wages in the league, even more than Arsenal who pay players like Chamakh and Squillaci 50 K a week.

While we pay 50k a week for Jay Spearing.... :facepalm

80k - Andy Carroll
90k - Joe Cole :facepalm:facepalm

These are as far as I know. Not sure where Shravi got the idea we pay less wages than most of the top clubs...
 
Liverpool and Arsenal have screwed up wage structures, I'm not sure who came up with the idea of paying average players so bloody much.

City overpay their best players, and Utd overpay Rooney, but other than that, their wage structure is best. Someone like Savic probably earns 20-40 K at City, but would earn 50 K+ at Liverpool or Arsenal.

We also have a huge squad with at least ten players on loan a season (with wages so high we have to cover most of them), so it's insane that Liverpool pay even more than us.
 
Agreed on all of that. So basically, not only do we (Liverpool) overpay on transfer dealings, but we also offer high wages to a rather average bunch.

I heard United pay crazy wages for Ashley Young too (the other being Rooney of course), though he's a good player.
 
Ashley Young in no way deserves more than Valencia or Nani, both are better and both have proven themselves more in a United shirt. So many players at United deserve more than Young.
 
Would disagree on why Capello and Hodgson didn't Richards.

The Richards in the two games for Britain certainly looks nothing more than a man that has added weight in the summer. During the last season, that certainly wasn't the case since he was showing great pace and solid defensive ability.

Capello not picking him and preferring to pick Glen Johnson was one of worst decisions of his tenure without a doubt.

However no doubt Mancini would certainly not be pleased about his weight currently going into the new season.

Also remember the commentators mentioning that a) they're still very much in pre-season fitness and b) they've barely played together before as a team.

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Ashley Young in no way deserves more than Valencia or Nani, both are better and both have proven themselves more in a United shirt. So many players at United deserve more than Young.

He's proving to be a very good signing for Utd though.
 
My point is Richards has known he was going to the Olympics for a while, shows a lack of disicpline to turn up over weight.

O'neil thing still makes no sense. Taking a fairly wealthy club to the same position with no trophies does not earn manager of the year :p
 
While we pay 50k a week for Jay Spearing.... :facepalm

80k - Andy Carroll
90k - Joe Cole :facepalm:facepalm

These are as far as I know. Not sure where Shravi got the idea we pay less wages than most of the top clubs...

I realize those wages are much higher than they should be. What I meant was that usually when a team signs a player for 35mil the wages would be 150k+/week. But I'll admit I didn't know that we were paying them that much.
 
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