South African Tour of the West Indies, May-June 2010

[Dare]

Does he know how to do anything else? Harris is ████

Probably not. Even when South Africa was piling up a huge score with Kallis and Ab dominating the West Indies slow bowlers kept attacking and bowling at the stumps.

WOW Ramdin. The flattest wicket in a while and he hits a long hop straight to the fielder. He is ████.

 

[War]

What angy said below.
Right now they cant get half of that team fit and ready to take the field together and there is no way they will get them all in the same team. As I said they cant get Roach to stay fit and play a test series so getting two of those quicks together is like me winning the lottery. ████ aint happening.

Dont really agree. I remember a few years ago Pakistan fans of mine here in England used to same thing about javign all of Akhtar, Asif, Gul, Aamir fit at the same time in the same squad. Currently in the Asia Cup & when PAK tour England within the next month they will have them all fit at once.

You never know what going to happen. I wont rule out the possibility of having the three of them fit one-time together at some point in the future.

Also not having a spinner in that team is not good at all. These days a spinner is a must and with the overrates around there is no way a team can go without one. Hopefully by the time 2011 comes around Ramdin will be long gone from the test team and pray to god he never returns after.

The fact that Ramdin is not a test match # 7 & Bravo has not lived up potential as a test match # 6. Means that a full stenght windies XI can do without a spinner (unless they tour the sub-continent).

Gayle & Samuels can roll over their arms to give the quicks a breather. Windies did this vs SRI 2008 @Trindad & overates wasn't an issue.

 

[Dare]

Dont really agree. I remember a few years ago Pakistan fans of mine here in England used to same thing about javign all of Akhtar, Asif, Gul, Aamir fit at the same time in the same squad. Currently in the Asia Cup & when PAK tour England within the next month they will have them all fit at once.

You never know what going to happen. I wont rule out the possibility of having the three of them fit one-time together at some point in the future.

When one comes back the other will get injured. Its just the way it is. With all the injuries the Pakistanis have had with their bowlers there is no sure way of saying that they will have all 4 of those fit and playing at the same time. Same goes for the West Indies, these guys are just to brittle and cant take a full year of cricket without hurting something seriously and having to sit out for 3+ months. I am going on track record here not speculation, and with these West Indies bowlers the track record shows injuries.

The fact that Ramdin is not a test match # 7 & Bravo has not lived up potential as a test match # 6. Means that a full stenght windies XI can do without a spinner (unless they tour the sub-continent).

Gayle & Samuels can roll over their arms to give the quicks a breather. Windies did this vs SRI 2008 @Trindad & overates wasn't an issue.

Thats why it is important to get rid of Ramdin and bring in Baugh for test matches at least. Bravo is fine at #6 as long as Sarwan, Chanderpaul and Nash are in front of him. The only real opportunity Samuels will have to show what he can do is in the upcoming domestic 20/20 competition. He wasn't even selected for the A team that is touring England which suggests that the WI selectors don't have any plans for him. I would not even think about including him in the team over Deonarine and Darren Bravo. If you really want a part time spinner in the middle order then Deonarine offers way more then Samuels with the ball and just about the same if not more with the bat.
I still say that a full time spinner is a must no matter where you play. The balance of the team is much better when there is a full time spinner. South Africa has a solid pace attack with Morkel and Steyn but they have problems with the spinner.

 

[angryangy]

I would definitely think about playing a batsman who has made Test hundreds over batsmen who haven't. Without any match practice, Samuels would be a silly pick, but in form, he would have to be something to consider.

 

[Dare]

I would definitely think about playing a batsman who has made Test hundreds over batsmen who haven't. Without any match practice, Samuels would be a silly pick, but in form, he would have to be something to consider.

Only practice Samuels had since his suspension ended was two 20/20s against USA. After this tour ends the domestic 20/20 will start and he will play there but I dont think he should be selected based on 20/20 performances.
If the WICB had plans for him and thought that he can come back and play for the first team then they should have sent him to England with the A team.

 

[WestIndian]

I have been reading a bit of these post and I tend to agree with War, if you have the likes of Taylor, Edwards & Roach healthy Bravo and Gayle as backup, why the heel would you need a spinner??? Morkel and Steyn can tear away any lineup, why think these 3 in good health and form can't do it?? Individually they have proved they can!! Now I would agree that Samuel is not in the making, at least not now according to the WICB he must play at club level to be entertained for test duties, that said, Marlon Samuels is a more complete cricketer than Deonarine on the face of this earth every abd any given day!!! He will be back!!!

 

[Iridium]

Is Taylor still injured? He played a bit in the WT20 and then I didn't hear much of him. Edwards seems to have been out of cricket for what seems like ages. Boy, the Windies could really do with them in the team.

 

[Dare]

I have been reading a bit of these post and I tend to agree with War, if you have the likes of Taylor, Edwards & Roach healthy Bravo and Gayle as backup, why the heel would you need a spinner??? Morkel and Steyn can tear away any lineup, why think these 3 in good health and form can't do it?? Individually they have proved they can!! Now I would agree that Samuel is not in the making, at least not now according to the WICB he must play at club level to be entertained for test duties, that said, Marlon Samuels is a more complete cricketer than Deonarine on the face of this earth every abd any given day!!! He will be back!!!

Morkel and Steyn can rip any lineup because of Steyn. He is just that kind of bowler, once in a lifetime. Taylor, Edwards and Roach are good bowlers but nowhere on that level.
Australia and South Africa could easily field a 4 man pace attack but they dont because there is much value in a good spinner. As we saw in this test on this flat deck Shillingford was the only West Indies bowler that troubled the Aussies batsman and he or Benn or whoever can fit in well with those 3.

Looking at the final test West Indies have dropped Dowlin and recalled Richards which they should have done before the tests started. Rampaul is out injured so it looks like it might be Pascal that gets another opportunity or they might opt for Sammy who can also strengthen the batting.
Ramdin keeps his spot .

 

[Dare]

wow both Pascal and Sammy are injured and BJ Bess gets the debut out of the blue.

Dare added 2 Minutes and 48 Seconds later...

ahhaha he wasn't even with the team. He was actually in the high performance camp that was just opened by the WICB.

 

[mattfb]

Poor shot from Gayle. Cleaned up.

 

[Dare]

Poor shot from Gayle. Cleaned up.

Thats the 3rd time this series he played on. Did in the last test after reaching his fifty.

 

[ajdude]

Elementary internet search also reveals Brandon Bess shares his name with a singer from Salt Lake City, who released his first album last year.

fearsome tweak I love cricinfo

 

[AkshayS]

Great, SA going great till now.

Botha struck twice.

 

[StinkyBoHoon]

I have to agree with Dare, you do need a spinner, and for the reasons he said. Edwards has a test average pushing 40, Roach's decent average is completely reliant on his figures against bangladesh (against australia it was 51, against SA it's now over 100), Taylors' is 35 which is sub par.

I mean these are not even good bowlers (roach has potential, taylor has yet to deliver on his and time is running out, edwards is flat out over-rated), let alone brilliant ones that can tear threw teams. You could never, ever, ever, ever go into to a match without a spinner with a pace line up like that.

 

[angryangy]

Dont really agree. I remember a few years ago Pakistan fans of mine here in England used to same thing about having all of Akhtar, Asif, Gul, Aamir fit at the same time in the same squad. Currently in the Asia Cup & when PAK tour England within the next month they will have them all fit at once.

You never know what going to happen. I wont rule out the possibility of having the three of them fit one-time together at some point in the future.

Actually, that was kinda my point. For all their misgivings, Pakistan are rarely lacking in talents, especially when it comes to pace. At best they have more than enough bowlers for a decent XI. In the Asia Cup, they only once went with all three of Akhtar, Asif and Amir; I'm not claiming that it was the right tactic, but that they have the options. For the West Indies, the only way to consistently get three good bowlers on the park is to produce more than three good bowlers.