Sri Lanka in England 2011

cruciate? oh well, that's his career over.

really sad news but I feel for the player more than sri lanka.

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"will put England on course for the No. 1 ranking."

yeah, way to get optimistic. Bangladesh winning a test will put them "on course" to being the no.1 side. England are 15 points behind india, it's not going to be bridged any time in the near future.
 
"will put England on course for the No. 1 ranking."

yeah, way to get optimistic. Bangladesh winning a test will put them "on course" to being the no.1 side. England are 15 points behind india, it's not going to be bridged any time in the near future.

Easy there , its just 13 points . Should India fail to win the tests series in West Indies , that's more than enough to cut short the gap to 8 points . And also an England win against Sri Lanka cuts the gap further and brings it down to 6 points . Then its all about the series between England and India .
 
If he popped his ACL, there's no way he'd have continued to play. This sounds like a much more mild injury, something he might not even need surgery for.
 
This is why as i always say, cricket does not need a ranking system. Since really although England have won back-to-back Ashes. How in a matter of 8 months after the Ashes (presuming India lose in caribbean also) can by cricketening sense (forget abt the flawed rankings) ENG topple India as # 1 so quickly?. IND along with South Africa have been the two most consistent test sides in tests since AUS lost its # 1 status in 2007. Thats 4 years of building & ENG can potentially topple them plus S Africa in 8 MONTHS according to the ranking system??. Come on i love my English team & where this team can go, but surely thats just plain wrong.

ENG would have to win in India also - plus beat S Africa home & away, plus win in SRI (although without Murali/Vaas a SRI tour probably wont be as difficult as before) for me to call them # 1 in anyway.


Overall though, i think we as cricket fans need to re-evaluate what it means to be # 1 in test & look back that has meant throughout test history. Or else any team hitting a short period of form we are going to on a knee-jerk basis call them # 1.
 
I think it should be possible to be the best side without winning home and away against every single team. We're used to the number one side being so by a long margin, but there are a few shades in between.
 
Taking into account the big 5 in International Test cricket , this is what England and the others achieved over the last 4 years against their opposition 4 teams :

England :

Home :

Australia - Won 2-1
India - Yet to play
South Africa - Lost 2-1
Sri Lanka - Yet to play

Away :

Australia - Won 3-1
India - Lost 1-0
South Africa - Drew 1-1
Sri Lanka - Lost 1-0


India :

Home :

Australia - Won 2-0
England - Won 1-0
South Africa - Drew 1-1
Sri Lanka - Won 2-0

Away :

Australia - Yet to play
England - Yet to play
South Africa - Drew 1-1
Sri Lanka - Drew 1-1


Australia :

Home :

South Africa - Lost 2-1
England - Lost 3-1
India - Yet to play
Sri Lanka - Yet to play

Away :

South Africa - Won 2-1
England - Lost 2-1
India - Lost 2-0
Sri Lanka - Yet to play


South Africa :

Home :

Australia - Lost 2-1
England - Drew 1-1
India - Drew 1-1
Sri Lanka - Yet to play

Away :

Australia - Won 2-1
England - Won 2-1
India - Drew 1-1
Sri Lanka - Yet to play


Sri Lanka :

Home :

Australia - Yet to play
England - Won 1-0
South Africa - Yet to play
India - Drew 1-1

Away :

Australia - Yet to play
England - Yet to play
South Africa - Yet to play
India - Lost 2-0


So if England can manage series victories over India and Sri Lanka , they deserve to be the top team . India's victories have all come playing under their own backyard . Can't believe the Aussies have declined so badly .

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Atm I would hardly say the ranking system is flawed given that the rankings are pretty accurate :

As it stands , Ind > RSA > Eng > SL > Aus
 
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I'm with War on this. Despite what the rankings say, there's no clear dominating team atm. India and SA are the closest, but since neither has managed to best the other, there's no clear No.1.
 
Taking into account the big 5 in International Test cricket , this is what England and the others achieved over the last 4 years against their opposition 4 teams :

England :

Home :

Australia - Won 2-1
India - Yet to play
South Africa - Lost 2-1
Sri Lanka - Yet to play

Away :

Australia - Won 3-1
India - Lost 1-0
South Africa - Drew 1-1
Sri Lanka - Lost 1-0


India :

Home :

Australia - Won 2-0
England - Won 1-0
South Africa - Drew 1-1
Sri Lanka - Won 2-0

Away :

Australia - Yet to play
England - Yet to play
South Africa - Drew 1-1
Sri Lanka - Drew 1-1


Australia :

Home :

South Africa - Lost 2-1
England - Lost 3-1
India - Yet to play
Sri Lanka - Yet to play

Away :

South Africa - Won 2-1
England - Lost 2-1
India - Lost 2-0
Sri Lanka - Yet to play


South Africa :

Home :

Australia - Lost 2-1
England - Drew 1-1
India - Drew 1-1
Sri Lanka - Yet to play

Away :

Australia - Won 2-1
England - Won 2-1
India - Drew 1-1
Sri Lanka - Yet to play


Sri Lanka :

Home :

Australia - Yet to play
England - Won 1-0
South Africa - Yet to play
India - Drew 1-1

Away :

Australia - Yet to play
England - Yet to play
South Africa - Yet to play
India - Lost 2-0


So if England can manage series victories over India and Sri Lanka , they deserve to be the top team . India's victories have all come playing under their own backyard . Can't believe the Aussies have declined so badly .

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Atm I would hardly say the ranking system is flawed given that the rankings are pretty accurate :

As it stands , Ind > RSA > Eng > SL > Aus

This is the thing. If this current England team where to eventually start dominating world cricket to any degree. Their legacy should start from the 2010/11 Ashes win - not anything the last 4 years. Since for the majority of the last 4 years lets not forget England where still recovering from their 2006/07 Ashes smoking & it was only in 2009 where they lost 1-0 in the Caribbean.

So it crazy really that the ranking system is going to propel England to # 1 so quickly if certain scenario's occur in the next 6 months. Thats would be crazy. If ENG beat IND all it should prove is that IND where never the #1 as the flawed rankings have been telling us - but it shouldn't propel ENG to # 1, especially over S Africa.

What if for eg now Australia suddenly finds it mojo back & beats this coming year & wins tests series in Sri Lanka, South Africa & home to India. While England beat India @ home?. That would again throw the idea of who the # 1 team is into qestion.
 
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I think it should be possible to be the best side without winning home and away against every single team. We're used to the number one side being so by a long margin, but there are a few shades in between.

Yea they can certainly be a best side without them winning home & away every single team. But although that teams doesn't have to have AUS 95-2006/07 - WI 76-91 invincibility, that team who doesn't win home/away everywhere needs to at least develop some years of performance where teams find it hard to beat them. # 1 in cricket is special accolade that has to be earnt based on performances over a long period of time after you have proven you can/have the ability to win home & away fairly consistently. It is not to be thrown around losely to any team like IND currently who have not done the above or potentially England in 8 months time if scenario's go their but just have been playing consistent test cricket.


Even if one looks at those past great teams actual # 1 teams in test history.

- Windies 1976-1991
- AUS 95-2006/07
- Eng 1951-1958
- WI 63-68

Using the premise that you have to win home & away againts everyone to be the # 1. Only WI 76-91 & AUS 95-2006/07 had real daylight betweem themselves & the rest & won everywhere home & away (although WI of that period tecnhincally didnt win in NZ. But everyone except they were robbed in NZ 1980 to poor umpiring, while they drew in NZ 86/87, but overall this means nothing)

Look at ENG 1951-1958 for example. They where the best yea, but it wasn't daylight betweem themseleves & their competition. They won two very close Ashes series. While drawing in WI 53/54 2-2 (which was like playing India of the 90s of the time facing two quality spinners in Valentine/Ramadin on flat turning wickets & having to bowl againts a legendary middle-order in Weeks/Walcott/Worrell). Drawing in SA 56/57 againts a strong SA bowling side of Adcock/Heine/Tayfield. So they weren't faultless but did enough to be considered the clear best team by everyone who played againts them.


Since AUS lost their # 1 ranking at the end of the 2006/07 Ashes (although the flawed ranking system didn't take it from them until they lost @ home to SA 08/09). Since 2007 both India & South Africa have won 9 of the 14/15 series they have played in:

South Africa

India


So what we have is India & SA being the two more consistent teams in test cricket since AUS decline (this is why i dont understand how the ranking systems is giving IND a edge over S Africa currently). But none of them should be called number # 1 because they have failed to show they can win everywhere - they even right now as the best two teams. SA slipped up in India twice (2008 & 2010) & lost to AUS @ home), which is why the lost their # 1 ranking. While IND have drew in SA recently & have yet to win away to full-strength ENG, AUS sides.


Until some team proves superiority. We will have & will continue to have as it has been the case in post war test history at the end of any era of the previous great teams # 1. A jostling match until a proper # 1 occurs. Which would be good for test cricket if no such # 1 occurs again for a while, since that would mean overall test cricket will be very competitive.
 
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Yes i said that. I used the England # 1 team of 1951-1958 to illustrate what a non totally dominant # 1 team (such as WI 76-91 & AUS 95-2006/07) looks like.
 
But none of them should be called number # 1 because they have failed to show they can win everywhere

I simply completely disagree with this statement. I feel you can call India the best team in the world as marginal as it may be, even if they haven't won all over the world.
 
I simply completely disagree with this statement. I feel you can call India the best team in the world as marginal as it may be, even if they haven't won all over the world.

Ok well explain to be how they can be marginal the best if as i showed above:

Since AUS lost their # 1 ranking at the end of the 2006/07 Ashes (although the flawed ranking system didn't take it from them until they lost @ home to SA 08/09). Since 2007 both India & South Africa have won 9 of the 16/15 series they have played in:

South Africa. Starting from the 2007 home series vs PAK - 2011 series vs IND. 9 out of 15 series win

India. Starting from the 2007 Bangladesh tour - 2011 tour to SA. 9 out of 16 series wins.

Thats basically even.
 
I simply completely disagree with this statement. I feel you can call India the best team in the world as marginal as it may be, even if they haven't won all over the world.

The current set-up means there will always be debate, it's a cr ap system with no consistency. They won't have a round robin proper league table while there are nine (active) teams as it is too many fixtures, and with a lot of politics etc about will everyone have played everyone else before they've played say West Indies twice or Australia?

I don't care much for India, but it's hard to deny they are probably the strongest side in the world at the moment by virtue of no better candidate. England are WAY off, we lost to India last time they toured and South Africa, in fact here's our last results head to head

AUS : (h) W2-1, (a) W3-1
IND : (h) L0-1, (a) L0-1
SRI : (h) D1-1, (a) L0-1
SAF : (h) L1-2, (a) D1-1

PAK : (h) W3-1, (a) L0-2
NZE : (h) W2-0, (a) W2-1

WIN : (h) W2-0, (a) L0-1
BAN : (h) W2-0, (a) W2-0
ZIM* : (h) W1-0, (a) D0-0

*England have only played in Zimbabwe back in 96/97 when "we bl**dy murdered 'em" 0-0, and at home last in 2003. I've included it merely for information, it's the bigger team results that matter more in this exercise.

So at home against the top four opponents we've a record of P4 W1 D1 L2 which isn't good, matched by our away record. BUT aside from beating a declining aussie side, we haven't beaten any of the other top guns in our last series against them. Granted Sri Lanka last played here in 2006, but we didn't beat them.

I mention us and top because I believe Strauss reckoned we need to "toughen up" or something if we're to become one. We're way off and increasingly easy wins over the aussies typically clouds England views just like I'm sure they'll talk up our chances of winning the World Cup next time even though the only remotely 'significant' change from before will likely be the captain and not a lot else :rolleyes

If we beat Sri Lanka then no doubt we'll be talking up our credentials on the back of the Ashes win, that both wins would be against much depleted sides through retirement is besides the point.
 

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