T20 World Cup 2012

[Epic]

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WTF !!!



We did it for the World Cup as well. However, we can play them both in one game. My point revolved around the presence of two left arm spinners, whose styles are very much similar.

For the Indian team, Ashwin is more like a Mendis sort of bowler who can surprise a few with his carroms.

That's like saying picking a leg-spinner and an off-spinner is redundant because they are both right handed. Brad Hogg bowls left-arm chinaman, which is basically a wrist spinner that bowls using the left-arm and Doherty is a left-arm orthodox, who's just a finger spinner like Daniel Vettori.

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This is Doherty's stock delivery.

This is Hogg's stock delivery.

 

[sifter132]

Australia have not put any thought into their squad at all. On paper it looks mighty weak and maybe the presence of a strong middle order[read Husseys and Whte] may help them salvage some pride.

A surprise option of choosing the second left arm spinner over Steve Smith baffles me to the core. I can totally say that Aus will not filed both Hogg and Doherty in the same match . So, why go for the option of picking them both ?

Actually I think Australia WILL field both at the same time. Glenn Maxwell is the other spinner there, to give some flexibility in the selection. So basically, Australia's bottom 5 will feature 2 spinners, it's just a matter of whether it's the 2 specialists (Hogg + Doherty) or Maxwell plus one of Hogg/Doherty. Dave Hussey then provides the emergency 3rd spinners role.

Of course once the tournament unfolds they may give that plan away VERY quickly. Heck it may happen in the upcoming 3 match series vs Pakistan.

So I think the squad is not so much a problem of Australia not thinking about it - in fact they are probably over thinking it. ie. they've emphasised spin more than usual in their squad, but they haven't tested the idea AT ALL! Going away from their strength of pace just on the theories of smart men thinking about what might happen. Since the 2010 World T20 theyve played 4 T20Is that might be relevant: 2 in SL, and 2 on slow WI pitches. Only 4 of the 11 who played in SL survive (Warner, Watson, D.Hussey, White - that was SO 12 months ago...we have a new captain now ). Then in the 2 T20Is in WI a couple of months back, Doherty was the ONLY spinner who bowled (6 of the 40 overs), and they played 4 bowlers behind Christian at #7. Now they say Christian will be at #8 and they'll play 2.5 spinners each game?? I'm confused really. Oh and BTW, WI series was 1-1 and Australia really had the better of it, collapsing hard to throw away game 2. So the changes are not because the team went badly.

 

[icyman]

And to add to that we also have David Hussey and Cameron White, who I believe will be sureshots in the line-up.

 

[sifter132]

^White may get squeezed out - I hope not, but Bailey has to fit somewhere. I think the selectors are thinking of: 1) Warner, 2) Watson, 3) M.Hussey, 4) D.Hussey, 5) Bailey, 6) Wade, 7) White, 8) Maxwell/Christian, 9) Hogg, 10) Hilfenhaus, 11) Starc/Cummins/McKay/Doherty. White gets to play, but all the way down at #7. Not enough bowlers in that one...

My XI would probably be: 1) Warner, 2) Watson, 3) White, 4) D.Hussey, 5) Wade, 6) Bailey (M.Hussey if Bailey wasn't captain), 7) Maxwell, 8) Starc, 9) Hogg, 10) Cummins, 11) Hilfenhaus. More bowling options and you shouldn't need more than 7 batsmen in a 20 over match...

 

[badvintage]

Why isn't Clarke playing?

 

[icyman]

Naming Bailey the captain was the worst they could have done. It really upsets (messes up) the entire team equation for them.

As for Clarke not playing- he announced his international T20 retirement,just like Haddin to concentrate more on the longer formats of the game. However, it surprises me that the still got the NOC to play in the IPL despite this.

 

[Epic]

Naming Bailey the captain was the worst they could have done. It really upsets (messes up) the entire team equation for them.

It's almost like the situation the West Indies are facing with Darren Sammy as captain.

 

[icyman]

The difference being that the Aussies had someone whom they could count on as aleader. The Windies had problems with the players not representing. They also did not have a suitable name in the side to lead. What Aus has done is to thrust the captaincy on a relatively unknown commodity, just a few games prior to the World T20. White was in charge till December and would have been the perfect one to lead them.

I also came across this :

ICC grants $2.5 mn to SRL

When the nation is facing a shortfall and they cannot even pay their players, why host the Cup here ? Why not in some other nation ? Again, if we see, the next one in 2014 is due to be held in Bangladesh- Barring the cancelled ICC CT 2009[Pakistan], all the other ICC events have been held in the Indian sub-continent-why why why ?

 

[badvintage]

Naming Bailey the captain was the worst they could have done. It really upsets (messes up) the entire team equation for them.

As for Clarke not playing- he announced his international T20 retirement,just like Haddin to concentrate more on the longer formats of the game. However, it surprises me that the still got the NOC to play in the IPL despite this.

They should name one of their veterans as captain such as David or Mike Hussey. And will Bailey be leading Australia against Pakistan in the T20's?

 

[icyman]

Yes, Bailey will be leading. But' I'd rather have White do the stuff than any of the Hussey brothers. Looking at the long term, White could have transitioned from the T20 captain to the ODI captain as well. The main issue with George Bailey is that he cannot seem to hold onto his place in the team.

 

[aussie1st]

Our squad looks good, the one problem as I figured it would be is Bailey as captain. Maxwell and Christian should be fighting for the number 7 spot and then stick with the bowlers. And its not like the bowlers can't bat, all of the ones we picked can bat.

 

[yoki]

awesome waiting eagerly for this

 

[sifter132]

Our squad looks good, the one problem as I figured it would be is Bailey as captain. Maxwell and Christian should be fighting for the number 7 spot and then stick with the bowlers. And its not like the bowlers can't bat, all of the ones we picked can bat.

^Yes quite right, picking an all-rounder at #8 for his batting seems borderline insane in an innings that is only 120 balls long. I remember reading that the average amount of time a #7 gets in T20 is just a handful of balls each innings, what would a #8 get? And surely Starc and Hogg can hold the willow well enough for a couple of balls. If the top 7 ALL fail, then we deserve to lose...

My only thought was picking O'Keefe instead of Doherty for that extra batting, but Doherty was always going to go despite his average T20 record.

 

[War]

Naming Bailey the captain was the worst they could have done. It really upsets (messes up) the entire team equation for them.

As for Clarke not playing- he announced his international T20 retirement,just like Haddin to concentrate more on the longer formats of the game. However, it surprises me that the still got the NOC to play in the IPL despite this.

Well he is the Cricket Australia contracted player still although he retired from T20, so he would still have to get the NOC.

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Our squad looks good, the one problem as I figured it would be is Bailey as captain. Maxwell and Christian should be fighting for the number 7 spot and then stick with the bowlers. And its not like the bowlers can't bat, all of the ones we picked can bat.

The AUS squad does not look good my friend and its because of the bowling attack, which looks very weak for T20 cricket in SRI conditions and experience wise.

if Inverarity is claiming he isn't picking the T20 squad with any future in mind (which is utter folly mind you) and just for "next month"ICC World T20 2012 : ICC World T20 2012: Older, wiser Cameron White preferred to Steve Smith | Cricket News | ICC World Twenty20 2012 | ESPN Cricinfo

Then how in the bowling attack with Lee being retired that Nannes, Harris who have excelled in T20s world wide (ipl etc) haven't been picked ahead of Hilfy and Starc who are unproven in this format.

I'd include Bollinger as well in this experienced list, but i don't know what the selectors views on him are since he somehow didn't even make the provisional 30-man squad.

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My only thought was picking O'Keefe instead of Doherty for that extra batting, but Doherty was always going to go despite his average T20 record.

Nah i wouldn't have picked the second spinner. At minimum given Doherty's poor returns in england, this tour to uae would have been a last chance to judge his form to decide if it was worth picking a back-up for Hogg.

Since they will have massive egg's on their faces if Doherty is smoked in uae and he still goes to the t20 world cup.

AUS best options is to use spin bowling all-rounders like Hussey, Maxwell and Smith and the second spinner spot should have gone to Mitchell Marsh, while you could depend on Christian/Wade to bowl cutters on those abrasive wickets.

In a perfect world this should have been AUS world cup xi and squad, and its a team that i may have backed to reach the final again.

Warner
Watson (c)
M Hussey
White
D Hussey
Wade
M Marsh/Maxwell
Chrisitan
Hogg
Harris
Nannes

Finch
M Marsh/Maxwell
McKay
Cummins/Bollinger

However with the current squad picked as i mentioned before, i fully expect a hammering by the windies in the group stage and disappointing exit after the super eight stage.

 

[sifter132]

I don't think Mitch Marsh was ever going to go. His batting was good in the Big Bash, but not his bowling. At shield and OD level it was useful, but I think he needs to build up experience against people who are trying to smash him eg. play more IPL, and get more overs in Big Bash etc. Plus his indiscretions at the academy in the offseason would have hindered his chances a bit. Not a lot, since he made the final 30, but it wouldn't have helped.

Agree with you about spinners though, no use playing 2 specialists in the final XI. I'd play Maxwell in that final XI of yours, if you play Watson, M.Marsh and Christian together they are 3 average bowlers of similar pace. In fact, I'd probably only play Watson and use 3 specialist fast bowlers.