The Ashes (Australia tour of England)

Who will take the urn in the 2019 Ashes?


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Again, for the English friends- I remember, Kumar Sangakkara was at a similar crossroad in his career. He gave up the gloves and his batting just went into PlayStation mode where he would make hundreds like Walsh would make ducks! Perhaps, the management and Root need to come down on his tantrums.

One more question- I know you guys rate Root. We Indians could practically get wet on Kohli's numbers. I dislike watching Steve Smith bat with a passion and Williamson is someone I rate the highest of the 4.

What is it about Root? I never get it. He's always been almost there for me as a batsman? The story was the same last Ashes. He kept failing to convert. His growth as a batter has been pretty much nil. On the other hand, this Steve Smith must have amassed a thousand runs in the last 6 ASHES tests? I remember being totally fed up of seeing him bat because of the Ashes and the India 2015 series!!
 
Again, for the English friends- I remember, Kumar Sangakkara was at a similar crossroad in his career. He gave up the gloves and his batting just went into PlayStation mode where he would make hundreds like Walsh would make ducks! Perhaps, the management and Root need to come down on his tantrums.

One more question- I know you guys rate Root. We Indians could practically get wet on Kohli's numbers. I dislike watching Steve Smith bat with a passion and Williamson is someone I rate the highest of the 4.

What is it about Root? I never get it. He's always been almost there for me as a batsman? The story was the same last Ashes. He kept failing to convert. His growth as a batter has been pretty much nil. On the other hand, this Steve Smith must have amassed a thousand runs in the last 6 ASHES tests? I remember being totally fed up of seeing him bat because of the Ashes and the India 2015 series!!
I can only think it's patience and/or concentration or a weakness of technique that can be exploited with Root. Maybe the focus of English cricket on ODI cricket in the last four years has hampered his growth as a test batsman.

As a cricket fan I love watching Smith bat. He's mastered the art of test batting like no player I've seen (that includes Lara, Tendulkar, Ponting, Pietersen, Kohli etc).
 
I can only think it's patience and/or concentration or a weakness of technique that can be exploited with Root. Maybe the focus of English cricket on ODI cricket in the last four years has hampered his growth as a test batsman.

As a cricket fan I love watching Smith bat. He's mastered the art of test batting like no player I've seen (that includes Lara, Tendulkar, Ponting, Pietersen, Kohli etc).

I don't think Root is that great an ODI bat either. I mean, he's one of the best, yes, but I just find the other three a notch above him.

As for Smith? I rated him when he debuted as a leggie. I remember telling my mate that he would be captain of Oz one day after his first ton and he thought I was bonkers. I've always rated Smith, I just find his batting annoying because he doesn't get out and he thrashes my fav teams. Also, he's not pretty to watch if you know what I mean?

On a completely different note, if the English are to win the Ashes, they better start producing green tops because Steve Smith does struggle against the moving ball. It will also negate the threat of Lyon and I feel the English batters tend to play the moving ball better!
 
I don't think Root is that great an ODI bat either. I mean, he's one of the best, yes, but I just find the other three a notch above him.

As for Smith? I rated him when he debuted as a leggie. I remember telling my mate that he would be captain of Oz one day after his first ton and he thought I was bonkers. I've always rated Smith, I just find his batting annoying because he doesn't get out and he thrashes my fav teams. Also, he's not pretty to watch if you know what I mean?

On a completely different note, if the English are to win the Ashes, they better start producing green tops because Steve Smith does struggle against the moving ball. It will also negate the threat of Lyon and I feel the English batters tend to play the moving ball better!
Smith might struggle against the moving ball but so do most of the England batsman (and most batsman in general) as was shown when West Indies put out some green tops over the winter.

It's probably the only way we'll beat them if the first test is anything to go by. But then England have to out bat them.
 
Its a fair point: who had the stomach to grind grind grind in the England camp? No one. Thats the difference.
 
Again, for the English friends- I remember, Kumar Sangakkara was at a similar crossroad in his career. He gave up the gloves and his batting just went into PlayStation mode where he would make hundreds like Walsh would make ducks! Perhaps, the management and Root need to come down on his tantrums.

One more question- I know you guys rate Root. We Indians could practically get wet on Kohli's numbers. I dislike watching Steve Smith bat with a passion and Williamson is someone I rate the highest of the 4.

What is it about Root? I never get it. He's always been almost there for me as a batsman? The story was the same last Ashes. He kept failing to convert. His growth as a batter has been pretty much nil. On the other hand, this Steve Smith must have amassed a thousand runs in the last 6 ASHES tests? I remember being totally fed up of seeing him bat because of the Ashes and the India 2015 series!!

Root and Stokes frustrate the life out of me. The two of them have talent to burn, but aren't maximising it. Root doesn't make many failures, so he's very consistent hence his test average being high (but on its way down), but there's no question he is not in the class of Smith, who is on his own, and Kohli and Williamson who are between Smith & Root. Stokes doesn't have the same consistency, so makes failures. He averages 33, which is ridiculous for someone that good.

Unfortunately I think it has been a very very soft environment in the England team for a long time. Players aren't challenged to be mentally tough. An occasional rockstar performance will always be enough. That's why we have a team where our so called stars average mid-30s, because every one of them can point to a fine match at some point in the last 2 years, and that's enough.
 
It's time for some... :eng: MARKS OUT OF TEN :eng:

Rory Burns - 7/10

A really excellent effort to bat long against one of the world's best bowling attacks, for which he was rewarded with his maiden Test hundred less than a week after everyone, myself included, had written him off. I still have huge doubts about his technique, and he's the sort of batsman who I (as an off-spinner) would look forward to bowling to due to the many moving parts to his technique, but credit where credit's due: he fought hard and got his rewards. You do feel like he could really do with learning how to leave the ball though.

Jason Roy - 2/10
Okay so there were definitely glimpses where Jason Roy showed that he might just know what Test batting was all about, especially in the second innings. However, his shot in the second innings when he was supposed to be fighting for the draw alongside his captain was absolutely unforgivable. I'm still yet to see anything to convince me that Roy was a good selection for this Test team. He's the classic Trevor Bayliss Test cricketer, and yes I mean that in a bad way.

Joe Root - 3/10
It was a weird Test for Root. For one thing, he must have set a new record for being given out the most times in a Test match, as he was on the receiving end of Joel Wilson's demonic digit on numerous occasions. However, he never inspired confidence and still appears to be fighting his own game and mental demons at number three. To make a bad game worse for Root, his captaincy lurched from unremarkable to incomprehensible on the fourth day. I continue to be of the opinion that he shouldn't be the Test skipper, but we'll get onto how my prospective replacement for him did.

Joe Denly - 2/10
Out twice between 10 and 20, leaked five an over with the ball; honestly didn't impress in any department regardless of how much I want him to make a success of things. He really doesn't look cut out for Test level, despite playing lots of pretty shots on his way to whatever score he ends up on. One Test fifty and no Test wickets don't speak of a player that the Australians will fear at all.

Jos Buttler - 3/10
Six runs in the game, and I'm rating him higher than two other members of the top five. This is partly because he did try to adapt his game to the situations in question; unfortunately, he was wildly unsuccessful due to what look suspiciously like technical deficiencies against the moving ball. His recent performances have earned him some rope, but he's not off to a great start in this series - especially given that he's the man who I would like to see as the Test captain.

Ben Stokes - 8/10
As always with Stokes, you couldn't have asked him to give more for the team. His first innings fifty was an excellent Test innings, and in both innings he put in back-breaking spells to try to make up for the loss of Jimmy Anderson from the seam attack. He got a near-unplayable ball in the second innings, for which he cannot be blamed. No fault here though.

Jonny Bairstow - 2/10
Everything I've already said. Doesn't look like a Test batsman and doesn't look like a Test keeper. Therefore, he is playing as a Test keeper-batsman. It would be a very strange policy to continue with this as a selector.

Moeen Ali - 3/10
He's having a tough time of things, but apart from a couple of headline-grabbing pies didn't bowl as badly as people are making out. That isn't to say he bowled much better though, but in the first innings at least he gave the ball a tweak and looked non-terrible.

Chris Woakes - 9/10
An economical three-wicket haul in the first innings, a disciplined unbeaten batting performance, the best economy of any English bowler in the second innings, then top-scoring in the fourth innings of the match. There really isn't much more that Woakes could have done for England at Edgbaston, save for going full Gurinder Sandhu and bowling improvised off-spin on day four. If he had done so, that too would probably have worked just fine. Definitely England's best player in this Test match, which makes it all the more concerning that he is now under an injury cloud ahead of the next one.

Stuart Broad - 8/10
Broad's first innings spell was excellent; he was great at hitting the seam and looked like he might get most of the Australian batsmen not called Steve Smith out at any point. He then also showed important fight with the bat. Unfortunately his second innings spell was less hot, but that may have been to do with shouldering a double burden in the bowling attack when Root also decided, for reasons that may or may not have been baffling, that Chris Woakes also was not going to do much bowling on Day Four.

Jimmy Anderson - n/a
RIP

What is to be done
Well, you don't change your captain mid-series, and you don't drop the guys who are actually performing so that gives an immediate framework to the side:
  1. Rory Burns
  2. Joe Root :c:
  3. Ben Stokes
  4. Chris Woakes
  5. Stuart Broad
As you can see, that leaves some places that are at the very least threatened. At least one change will be enforced, with either Jofra Archer (if he's fit) or Ollie Stone (if he's not) coming in for Jimmy Anderson. Because Trevor Bayliss is a massive knobhead, one imagines that Roy and Bairstow will definitely keep their places. Indeed, I expect that to be the only change to the XI, unless Woakes is also crocked.
 
It's time for some... :eng: MARKS OUT OF TEN :eng:

Rory Burns - 7/10

A really excellent effort to bat long against one of the world's best bowling attacks, for which he was rewarded with his maiden Test hundred less than a week after everyone, myself included, had written him off. I still have huge doubts about his technique, and he's the sort of batsman who I (as an off-spinner) would look forward to bowling to due to the many moving parts to his technique, but credit where credit's due: he fought hard and got his rewards. You do feel like he could really do with learning how to leave the ball though.

Jason Roy - 2/10
Okay so there were definitely glimpses where Jason Roy showed that he might just know what Test batting was all about, especially in the second innings. However, his shot in the second innings when he was supposed to be fighting for the draw alongside his captain was absolutely unforgivable. I'm still yet to see anything to convince me that Roy was a good selection for this Test team. He's the classic Trevor Bayliss Test cricketer, and yes I mean that in a bad way.

Joe Root - 3/10
It was a weird Test for Root. For one thing, he must have set a new record for being given out the most times in a Test match, as he was on the receiving end of Joel Wilson's demonic digit on numerous occasions. However, he never inspired confidence and still appears to be fighting his own game and mental demons at number three. To make a bad game worse for Root, his captaincy lurched from unremarkable to incomprehensible on the fourth day. I continue to be of the opinion that he shouldn't be the Test skipper, but we'll get onto how my prospective replacement for him did.

Joe Denly - 2/10
Out twice between 10 and 20, leaked five an over with the ball; honestly didn't impress in any department regardless of how much I want him to make a success of things. He really doesn't look cut out for Test level, despite playing lots of pretty shots on his way to whatever score he ends up on. One Test fifty and no Test wickets don't speak of a player that the Australians will fear at all.

Jos Buttler - 3/10
Six runs in the game, and I'm rating him higher than two other members of the top five. This is partly because he did try to adapt his game to the situations in question; unfortunately, he was wildly unsuccessful due to what look suspiciously like technical deficiencies against the moving ball. His recent performances have earned him some rope, but he's not off to a great start in this series - especially given that he's the man who I would like to see as the Test captain.

Ben Stokes - 8/10
As always with Stokes, you couldn't have asked him to give more for the team. His first innings fifty was an excellent Test innings, and in both innings he put in back-breaking spells to try to make up for the loss of Jimmy Anderson from the seam attack. He got a near-unplayable ball in the second innings, for which he cannot be blamed. No fault here though.

Jonny Bairstow - 2/10
Everything I've already said. Doesn't look like a Test batsman and doesn't look like a Test keeper. Therefore, he is playing as a Test keeper-batsman. It would be a very strange policy to continue with this as a selector.

Moeen Ali - 3/10
He's having a tough time of things, but apart from a couple of headline-grabbing pies didn't bowl as badly as people are making out. That isn't to say he bowled much better though, but in the first innings at least he gave the ball a tweak and looked non-terrible.

Chris Woakes - 9/10
An economical three-wicket haul in the first innings, a disciplined unbeaten batting performance, the best economy of any English bowler in the second innings, then top-scoring in the fourth innings of the match. There really isn't much more that Woakes could have done for England at Edgbaston, save for going full Gurinder Sandhu and bowling improvised off-spin on day four. If he had done so, that too would probably have worked just fine. Definitely England's best player in this Test match, which makes it all the more concerning that he is now under an injury cloud ahead of the next one.

Stuart Broad - 8/10
Broad's first innings spell was excellent; he was great at hitting the seam and looked like he might get most of the Australian batsmen not called Steve Smith out at any point. He then also showed important fight with the bat. Unfortunately his second innings spell was less hot, but that may have been to do with shouldering a double burden in the bowling attack when Root also decided, for reasons that may or may not have been baffling, that Chris Woakes also was not going to do much bowling on Day Four.

Jimmy Anderson - n/a
RIP

What is to be done
Well, you don't change your captain mid-series, and you don't drop the guys who are actually performing so that gives an immediate framework to the side:
  1. Rory Burns
  2. Joe Root :c:
  3. Ben Stokes
  4. Chris Woakes
  5. Stuart Broad
As you can see, that leaves some places that are at the very least threatened. At least one change will be enforced, with either Jofra Archer (if he's fit) or Ollie Stone (if he's not) coming in for Jimmy Anderson. Because Trevor Bayliss is a massive knobhead, one imagines that Roy and Bairstow will definitely keep their places. Indeed, I expect that to be the only change to the XI, unless Woakes is also crocked.
I think Mooen's place is most at threat. The most telling thing being the stat they showed today of Smith averaging 90 against off spin and 35 against SLA, so they might take a punt on Leach. Given Mooen hasn't offered much with the bat it could be a chance worth taking. If Woakes is injured maybe that'll change. He looks like the one player who hasn't had a hangover from the World Cup. He also looks a more competent test batsman than at least three of the players above him.

If they do make a change to the batting it'll be Denly who gets the chop. Given that he's been asked to bat in three different positions in four matches it doesn't seem fair to judge his record. But, as others have pointed out, he's not a 'star' player so I'd see him at bigger risk of the axe than others who have underperformed.
 
I think Mooen's place is most at threat. The most telling thing being the stat they showed today of Smith averaging 90 against off spin and 35 against SLA, so they might take a punt on Leach. Given Mooen hasn't offered much with the bat it could be a chance worth taking. If Woakes is injured maybe that'll change. He looks like the one player who hasn't had a hangover from the World Cup. He also looks a more competent test batsman than at least three of the players above him.

If they do make a change to the batting it'll be Denly who gets the chop. Given that he's been asked to bat in three different positions in four matches it doesn't seem fair to judge his record. But, as others have pointed out, he's not a 'star' player so I'd see him at bigger risk of the axe than others who have underperformed.
Yeah, I wouldn't be all that surprised to see Moeen dropped. Apart from being the top wicket-taker in the past year or so in Test cricket, he's not really done much to justify his place. I know that sounds silly, but he can't really fall back on his batting as a second string at the moment, and the last couple of Tests have shown he doesn't string together dots enough to necessarily build up pressure. I think he benefits a lot be being the perceived weak link of the bowling attack with Broad or Anderson at the other end.

But Jack Leach really isn't the answer. I know he had that series in Sri Lanka where he bowled well on absolute bunsens, but on tracks that don't majorly favour him I've not seen the skills to suggest he is a Test-class spinner of the kind that England need. Someone who has shown those skills is Matt Parkinson. Since his debut he has the best figures of any English spinner in matches where only one specialist spinner is selected. Although that sounds really specific, it's about who will perform best in the sort of conditions that England are likely to face in home Tests.

I also struggle to imagine England selecting a 22-year-old debutant leg-spinner for an Ashes series in which they're already 1-0 down.
 
As stupid as it sounds, I would genuinely give Leach a go opening. I am aware that he is averaging under 10 for County, however his innings was very similar to that of Burns. He played some shots that looked as if he had been opening all his career, but most importantly he was willing to stick it out and play the ball on its merits. What more do you need from an Ashes opener?
 
As stupid as it sounds, I would genuinely give Leach a go opening. I am aware that he is averaging under 10 for County, however his innings was very similar to that of Burns. He played some shots that looked as if he had been opening all his career, but most importantly he was willing to stick it out and play the ball on its merits. What more do you need from an Ashes opener?
It doesn't sound that stupid. But at the same time, Murtagh and Adair are a very different prospect to Cummins and JPat and Leach got absolutely rocked by a concussion courtesy of Morne Morkel at the start of the year
 
1. Burns
2. Sibley
3. Root
4. Hain
5. Northeast
6. Stokes
7. Foakes
8. Woakes
9. S Curran
10. Archer
11. Parkinson

Not a chance in hell of this side being picked,but I really like it.A team for the future.
 
I stil believe that Jason Roy can succeed into a good test player. But as a number 4, not an opener.
Any time you will have to bat for survival he will fail imo, don't think he has the patience to play a 50 off 150 odd deliveries to save a test match.
 
So England were playing without the man who won them the series single handedly last summer against India.
 

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