The End Of Australian Dominance?

[aussie1st]

Actually our next Test is against Zimbabwe so I don't expect that will give us any indicators. I agree when we play India that will give us an idea.

 

[andrew_nixon]

Actually our next Test is against Zimbabwe.

No, it's against India. The Zimbabwe tour won't feature any Tests as Zimbabwe won't be given their test status back til later in the year.

 

[Gunner786]

No, it's against India. The Zimbabwe tour won't feature any Tests as Zimbabwe won't be given their test status back til later in the year.

against pakistan

warnes absence wont make any difference against india anyway

name 1 spinner whos peformed worse than warne against india in the past decade?

 

[cricketmad09]

PM's XI team beat England by 150 odd runs in a one dayer, and that was full of future prospects i.e White, Marsh, Voges, Cosgrove ect.

 

[puddleduck]

PM's XI team beat England by 150 odd runs in a one dayer, and that was full of future prospects i.e White, Marsh, Voges, Cosgrove ect.

I think my local club team could beat England in a one dayer :

against pakistan

warnes absence wont make any difference against india anyway

name 1 spinner whos peformed worse than warne against india in the past decade?

It is strange that he averages around 47 against India, although his most recent series against them he was at his most useful averaging around 30. Still not spectacular though.

Although to answer your question, Giles is up at 50, MacGill goes up to 50 in his four matches and Vettori goes up to 55 from 32. Whilst they are both strangely high, they are not on their own as spinners who average far more against India. Kaneria's and Muralis averages both increase by around 10 against India, in fact only Bojes average drops against India out of the spinners. But there you go, I named you 3 of them

 

[evertonfan]

PM's XI team beat England by 150 odd runs in a one dayer, and that was full of future prospects i.e White, Marsh, Voges, Cosgrove ect.

And?

It was;

a) A warm-up game and b) A one-dayer and Warne isn't even in your one-day side.

 

[aussie1st]

No, it's against India. The Zimbabwe tour won't feature any Tests as Zimbabwe won't be given their test status back til later in the year.

Oh ok well I was just reading the Cricket calender and they are calling it Tests.

 

[Gunner786]

Found this at another forum

McGrath, Warne and Gillespie have formed an equally destructive trio, claiming 575 wickets in 43 Tests at a high victory percentage of 65.12 with 28 wins, 10 defeats and five draws.

Interestingly, the former Pakistani trio of pacemen Wasim Akram and Waqar Younis and leg-spinner Mushtaq Ahmed together also took 575 wickets in 10 fewer Tests, but at a victory percentage of only 48.48 (16 wins, nine losses and eight draws)

 

[smssia0112]

Is this the End of the Aussie dominance in world cricket?
With Warne and Mcgrath retiring,australia will find it hard to bowl sides out unless jason gillespie and kasprowicz find their old form,

I think that they will win some matches but it will mostly be draws or losses

More draws cos of the power of their batting but who knows maybe the remainder of Dads Army might follow their lead,

i said this a couple of weeks ago when martyn retired that others will follow him very soon

What old form? Kasprowicz was always a fringe player.

I'm interested to see that the majority of the English on here think Australia has a bare cupboard, the only thing we will have trouble with is replacng Warne, because Dan Cullen is not ready for Tests yet, but MacGill should at least cover us for another year, and then there's a fair few left over anyway.

And Simbazz, stats are rubbish, Shaun Tait's bowling average tells no stories, nor does have those players. Brad Haddin is in great form in domestic this year, the one who has dropped off is Phil Jaques now, I think Chris Rogers will be a shoe-in if Langer retires, has got twice as many runs to his name as Jaques this year.

My team for the 2009 Ashes Series:
1. Phil Jaques - Talented, will be at his peak by then and could be a young Matthew Hayden.
2. Chris Rogers - Young and buckets of talent, having a great season and looks the third choice right now.
3. Ricky Ponting - Should still be around, and is likely to be clsoing in on Lara's record around then.
4. Michael Clarke - Also very talented for his age, is solid now and should be the next rock of the top order after Ponting.
5. Marcus North - I fancy this kid, has great talent and is very good at making scores and bulding an innings, has the stats to prove it too.
6. Shane Watson - A good batsman, averages around 40-45 I think, and is a handy bowler at the same time.
7. Brad Haddin - Good keeper with good batting skills as well and is a leader at the same time, is ready to take over from Gilchrist now.
8. Brett Lee - Should be still around, if not then I would go with maybe Ben Hilfenhaus or even an extra batsman (Cameron White maybe)
9. Dan Cullen - Good young talented spinner, should be bowling well by 2009.
10. Mitchell Johnson - Is fast becoming better than we all expected, should get in the team for McGrath when he retires.
11. Shaun Tait - A great youngster with sheer pace, a young Brett Lee, capable of taking wickets and hurting batsmen, expensive but if he can take wickets then that's all that matters.

The notables:
Adam Voges - Good batsman with talent, but not consistent enough for me at the moment.
Cameron White - With the flamboyance of a 24 year old, which he is, buckets of talent and the brain of 34 year old, he is a great prospect, his bowling won't be relied on, with his leg breaks wobbly at best, and little turn for him, but he has a little bit of pace in them and his variation is good as well.
James Hopes - Is finding form with the ball and getting there with the bat, but Watson would have to be a fair way in front of him.

Many more I can't think right now, Aaron Heal, Beau Casson, Chris Hartley, Michael Klinger, Lloyd Mash, Ben Edmonson come to mind.

And ODI Team without profiles:
1. Michael Klinger/Phil Jaques (Jaques seems to have trouble due to his poor fielding, Klinger is a good fieldsman)
2. Chris Rogers
3. Ricky Ponting
4. Michael Clarke
5. Cameron White (more aggressive than Watson)
6. Shane Watson
7. Brad Haddin
8. Brett Lee/Hilfenhaus
9. Nathan Bracken
10. Dan Cullen/Beau Casson/Aaron Heal
11. Mitchell Johnson

As for Nathan Bracken, he is not really cut out for Test Cricket, he and Shaun Tait would swap for ODI, he is a one day specialist, as Tait is suited to the longer game. Paul Rofe is a chance as well, but he looks far from it at the moment.

My ODI Team:

 

[symonds_sixes]

And ODI Team without profiles:
1. Michael Klinger/Phil Jaques (Jaques seems to have trouble due to his poor fielding, Klinger is a good fieldsman)
2. Chris Rogers
3. Ricky Ponting
4. Michael Clarke
5. Cameron White (more aggressive than Watson)
6. Shane Watson
7. Brad Haddin
8. Brett Lee/Hilfenhaus
9. Nathan Bracken
10. Dan Cullen/Beau Casson/Aaron Heal
11. Mitchell Johnson

Klinger, no (not international standard)
Rogers, no (not aggressive enough and not really international standard)
Hilfenhaus, maybe
Casson, no (too erratic)
Heal, who?

hartley will replace haddin when he's gone

macgill has probably 3-4 more years left in him but probably would have that much left in him if he'd been in the team for the last 10 years as he would currently have plenty of hunger

 

[smssia0112]

Klinger, no (not international standard)
Rogers, no (not aggressive enough and not really international standard)
Hilfenhaus, maybe
Casson, no (too erratic)
Heal, who?

hartley will replace haddin when he's gone

macgill has probably 3-4 more years left in him but probably would have that much left in him if he'd been in the team for the last 10 years as he would currently have plenty of hunger

Klinger is a good batsman, and is a good chance for a few ODIs, maybe even this Comm Bank Series, how do you know if someone is international standard until they play? Rogers is in hot form and is ahead of Jaques for me now, Klinger is also in hot form, and Heal is young and talented, a good chancer for the distant future.

 

[aussie1st]

Ronchi would be our ODI keeper for the future I suspect.

My teams
Test for 09 Ashes
1. Phil Jaques
2. Chris Rogers
3. Ricky Ponting
4. Michael Hussey
5. Michael Clarke
6. Shane Watson
7. Brad Haddin (probably retire after the Ashes)
8. Dan Cullen/Cullen Bailey
9. Mitchell Johnson
10. Ben Hilfenhaus
11. Shaun Tait

ODI (After WC)
1. Luke Ronchi
2. Phil Jaques (form permitting)
3. Ricky Ponting
4. Michael Clarke
5. Shane Watson
6. Cameron White
7. Moises Henriques
8. Brett Lee
9. Nathan Hauritz
10. Mitchell Johnson
11. Nathan Bracken/Shaun Tait

 

[aussie_ben91]

I don't think Casson even gets into the first or second XI for NSW. I think they rate Krezja above him and of course MacGil and Hauritz are above him.

 

[puddleduck]

I'm interested to see that the majority of the English on here think Australia has a bare cupboard, the only thing we will have trouble with is replacng Warne, because Dan Cullen is not ready for Tests yet, but MacGill should at least cover us for another year, and then there's a fair few left over anyway.

Actually most of us, myself included, know that there is a fair amount of talent floating around, the question though is whether they can adapt to test cricket or not. Someone like Hick or Ramprakash had all the talent in the world but when it came to the pressure situation of test cricket they couldn't cut it.

Before you read the next sentence understand I am not saying Warne isn't incredibly talented, but it's interesting that he is the opposite in that his bowling average actually gets lower in test cricket than in FC cricket because he is not only a world class bowler but he thrives when the pressure is turned up.

So whilst Australia certainly have talent in their domestic game, replacing the experience of the players retiring, as well as trying to find the players that have mental aptitude is where England fans are currently clinging to any shred of hope that the next few Ashes will at the least be closely fought

 

[aussie1st]

I don't think Casson even gets into the first or second XI for NSW. I think they rate Krezja above him and of course MacGil and Hauritz are above him.

Well in the shorter form hes well down on the list. In FC he was behind MacGill, may have fallen a bit further. Hes a talent just needs to fulfill it.

On Rogers he just ain't cut for the OD game, his record and form in the FRC prove that. Klinger is a chance is Jaques form slump continues.