World Cup 2011 - Group B

Only Bangladesh and Ireland have made things interesting. And most likely they will be the No.9 and No.10th team for the next World Cup. Let the Associates play the T20 World Cup and then come into ODI's by qualification.

Canada, Holland and Kenya have done nothing more than provide warm ups for their opponents, maybe taking teams close and having some "magic moments", but they've not truly come close to beating any Test team.

Ireland beat England, that was a combination of good hitting by one batsman, and not great bowling - typifying England's World Cup. Other than that Ireland have yet to really fire.

Bangladesh beat Ireland and England, that means the ONLY Test team of the top eight to lose in this World Cup to a team outside of the top eight is England. That's hardly a conclusive argument for their retention.

My argument for their retention is that the sides won't improve unless they are integrated into some system that exposes them to better sides as well as sides of a similar standard. Once a side has become so clearly better than the rest, playing the rest won't help, they need a sterner test. It needs a tier system, for ODIs perhaps to start with, and then for Tests. Let Ireland, Holland and Kenya loose on Bangladesh and Zimbabwe, saves the latter two getting beaten easily so often while providing good contests. Top side in that tier gets promoted and see how they fare against the better nations, although I would advocate 6-7 teams to a tier so it is likely the side promoted would be on of the weakest sides of the top eight (probably England or maybe West Indies)



Part of me wants England to go out, they deserve to so far and will learn nothing if they progress. That said, they will no doubt learn nothing if they go out either, the words of Strauss and others suggest they think it is just bad luck, a below par performance or two, but it goes a lot deeper than that. The side lacks quality throughout. Those that are good enough are mostly not consistent enough, throw in 3-4 squad members who should never have been picked and you have a mix of inconsistency and poor quality which never wins more than the wooden spoon.

They picked three spinners, one is a batsman who wouldn't get a bowl but for the advent of T20, the other has barely a handful of ODIs to his name and hasn't got a game - even against the minnows! So that's the spin attack.

The batting is frail and prone to get itself out, not helped by the neverending quest for the holy grail of a keeper to open the innings. That has yet to work long term, so their alternate solution is open with Pietersen :facepalm It's often a toss up whether the batsmen failed to get the 20-30 extra runs that might or would have made the difference, or the lacking of the bowlers that gifted extra runs to the batsmen.

Our supposed best attack bowler Anderson has long been inconsistent, this World Cup he has just been exposed. Bresnan isn't my favourite player, but he has done a decent job and Shahzad is learning, another whose lack of ODIs before the World Cup beggars belief and exposes poor/no planning.

Because there is no standout candidate for number seven, England have switched between batsman bowling the 5th bowler role, or loading the side up with players who are no great shakes with the bat and leaving a long tail. England don't make good use of the ODIs between World Cups, always looking ahead one series/game and not much further. They also have swung too far the opposite way against chopping and changing, so much so that ordinary players are given way too long to fail (Wright and Yardy) which they achieve a lot. If we thought Giles getting 50 Test caps was a joke, Wright and Yardy have eclipsed that - and some.
 
I want England to beat WI and make things more complex. With Swann in England's armory and the game being played in Chennai and with WI being the opposition, I am expecting an England win.

We can still get knocked out of this World Cup.

Case 1:
England beat West Indies, they are in, but it makes sure that our match v WIN is a quarter-final of sorts. In case, South Africa win all their matches, there is a chance that we go through irrespective of our result v WIN. In such a case, SAF, WIN, IND and ENG qualify.

Case 2:
South Africa lose to BD
Eng beat WIN
And the WIN beat us , we are out [for that to happen WIN need to beat us by a huge margin], else England is out.

Case 3:
West Indies beat England, England is out, the 4th spot is up for grabs between Ireland and Bangladesh. for which the Irish need to just beat SAF and Netherlands. With their poor NRR, BD dont stand a chance in that case.
However, if BD defeats SAF, they are through.

Ultimately, we won't end up topping the table, thats for sure, unless SAf miraculously loses their next two matches.And that leaves us in the No.2 spot.

Which means ,we have a great chance at a India-Pakistan QF,for which we need to pray that the Kiwis beat the Lankans and the Aussies win the remainder of their matches.

The line-up,IMO, would most likely be:

Australia v Bangladesh
India v Pakistan
West Indies v New Zealand
South Africa v Sri Lanka

Semi-finals:
Aus v Win
Ind v Srl

Final:
Ind v Aus.
 
With SA beating Ireland, Ireland and Holland are completely out of the World Cup and SA are already in the QF. Now its a race for the QF spot between 4 teams (England, Bangladesh, West Indies and India) for the remaining three QF spots. India are in the safest position because even if England win their last game, they will end up on the same points as India and it has to be NRR that has to decide who gets in and India's NRR is well ahead of England

Next game is the big game - England vs West Indies (Thursday). This game should give a far clearer picture of Group B. England lose and the QF lineup is decided (SA, West Indies, India and Bangladesh; with West Indies and India interchanging spots based on their game). If England win, it makes the Ban vs SA game crucial. England should try to win and should make sure they win really convincingly. If they do, even if Bangladesh win, they can hope for India to beat WI or they can hope for WI to beat India by a handsome margin to sneak through on NRR.
 
I don't think NRR will come in to it, I don't see Bangladesh beating SA and WI beating India.
 
In comparison, group A is plain boring :p
 
I also can't see Bangladesh defeating SA, they can put up a great fight but win looks out of cards. Same with WI and India.
 
Looks like Bangladesh might go through by default, of England's inability to beat the sides they should and not doing enough to make up for it.
 
The Windies loss is a blessing in disguise for us. If we secure a place in the QFs..it would be because we deserved it rather than reaching there due to someone elses misfortune.
 
We are already there kartik... England has finished all of their matches and they ar tied for 7 points with India. India is at number 2 due to a better NRR. Lets take next two important matches of Gp B in consideration. SAF vs BAN and Ind Vs WI.

1) South Africa and WI wins. Then WI would move up to 2nd spot India to 3rd and England to 4th.

2) South Africa and India wins. Points table remains unchanged.

3) BAN and India wins. Table remains same except BAN would replace WI at number 4.

4) BAN and WI wins. India drops to 4th and WI and BAN would be at 2,3.

So India and SAF are safe. England survived today but they can be knocked out as i showed above. And Bangladesh has a outside chance if they upset the Saffers.
 
Nice of the schedule makers to put India's game last so that we know exactly what we have to do to go through. :)
 
Rough estimation:

India would have to lose by 170 runs or more, (or whatever the run rate equivalent would be) to be knocked out. That's assuming Bangladesh beat SA too.
 
If India lose by that many runs than they deserve to be knocked out ;)
 
We are already there kartik... England has finished all of their matches and they ar tied for 7 points with India. India is at number 2 due to a better NRR. Lets take next two important matches of Gp B in consideration. SAF vs BAN and Ind Vs WI.

1) South Africa and WI wins. Then WI would move up to 2nd spot India to 3rd and England to 4th.

2) South Africa and India wins. Points table remains unchanged.

3) BAN and India wins. Table remains same except BAN would replace WI at number 4.

4) BAN and WI wins. India drops to 4th and WI and BAN would be at 2,3.

So India and SAF are safe. England survived today but they can be knocked out as i showed above. And Bangladesh has a outside chance if they upset the Saffers.

Your point #3 is wrong. If Bangladesh and India wins, Bangladesh is No.3 and England are No.4. Remember Bangladesh gets up to 8 points total (if they win) and England are right now on 7 points and have finished their league assignments. Points comes first and then NRR. So if Bangladesh and India win, India will be group toppers (because SA end up on 8 and India end up on 9) and Bangladesh are No.3

Ind - B1
SA - B2
Ban - B3
Eng - B4

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If India lose by that many runs than they deserve to be knocked out ;)

Perfectly true!
 
I think it's time that I start supporting some other team. Bangladesh have no chance.:(:noway:facepalm
 
Couldn't really have hoped for much more from Bangladesh, except to have not lost so badly to WI. Beating the two minnows and an upset over England is more than I expected anyway.
If they can knock off Saf, whoever plays them in the quarters will want to make sure they're clinical.
 

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