Would Shakib Al Hasan make a team other than Bangladesh?

[Chewie]

You've gone off topic...

The discussion is on two things:

1. Whether Shakib is the best all-rounder in the world at the moment
2. Whether he would make any other sides other than Bangladesh

1. My statistics show that over the past 3 years against the test playing nations, excluding Zimbabwe, Shakib averages 32.79 with the bat and 30.62 with the ball (E/R 4.47) in ODIs, and 34.35 with the bat and 29.11 with the ball in Tests. Those statistics are pretty incredible, and are most likely better than any other all-rounder has been producing over the last three years.

2. I think it is quite easy to ascertain that with those statistics, Shakib would most likely make any other test nation in the world, with the exceptions of possibly India and Sri Lanka, and even then I'd think he'd be quite close to the team.

 

[Cricketman]

Shakib may be great for Bangladesh but I would take Watson 8 days a week over him. I think he can get me more crucial breakthroughs with the ball and it doesn't need to be said what he can provide with the bat.

 

[Chewie]

I think this is getting more towards War's point that there just aren't any real bowling all-rounders at the moment, unless you count Mitchell Johnson as one.

No bowling all-rounders? Graeme Swann and Daniel Vettori would beg to differ. Johnson and Broad have cases to argue as well, though they're not quite as consistent. Harbhajan as well.

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Shakib may be great for Bangladesh but I would take Watson 8 days a week over him. I think he can get me more crucial breakthroughs with the ball and it doesn't need to be said what he can provide with the bat.

I do agree that Watson is the one all-rounder in the world who at this point in time, I would rate higher than Shakib.

 

[Cricketman]

I would hardly call Swann an all-rounder! Harbhajan too, bowler who can bat a bit at best for me.

Bowling allrounders should be able to bat in the top 6 of a test team if needed... I'd say Flintoff was the last true bowling AR.

 

[Near]

there are quite a lot of bowling all-rounders actually but none actually are consistent in both departments like Shakib...Johnson, Broad and Swann all are superb bowlers but when brought into the batting department they are quite a bit behind...Vettori is a different story and I can't really compare him to Shakib...they both seem equal to me. In my opinion Watson is a much better batsman than Shakib but I don't actually like Watto's bowling

 

[Lassana Dias]

am sorry guys, I think I have given you more then sufficient stats to prove my points

a) he is not the worlds best all-rounder by far
b) thank god he plays for Bangladesh so that he can play test cricket (wish I was too)

for me he is simply overrated in a big way

 

[Chewie]

I would hardly call Swann an all-rounder! Harbhajan too, bowler who can bat a bit at best for me.

Bowling allrounders should be able to bat in the top 6 of a test team if needed... I'd say Flintoff was the last true bowling AR.

I think we have different definitions of bowling all-rounders.

Batting all-rounders - batsmen who bat in the top order, but can bowl when required. Normally the sixth bowler for a team.

Pure all-rounders - people who would be selected for their batting or bowling. Normally bat in the middle order. i.e. Shakib, Bravo

Bowling all-rounders - bowlers who can bat pretty well. Bat at 8 normally, and score can score 50s and occasionally centuries.

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am sorry guys, I think I have given you more then sufficient stats to prove my points

a) he is not the worlds best all-rounder by far
b) thank god he plays for Bangladesh so that he can play test cricket (wish I was too)

for me he is simply overrated in a big way

You have given us one statistic that is incorrect.

 

[Lassana Dias]

I think we have different definitions of bowling all-rounders.

Batting all-rounders - batsmen who bat in the top order, but can bowl when required. Normally the sixth bowler for a team.

Pure all-rounders - people who would be selected for their batting or bowling. Normally bat in the middle order. i.e. Shakib, Bravo

Bowling all-rounders - bowlers who can bat pretty well. Bat at 8 normally, and score can score 50s and occasionally centuries.

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You have given us one statistic that is incorrect.

Are you telling me I just made up those stats?

 

[Chewie]

Well it's different from the statistic I got when I ran it through statsguru

 

[Lassana Dias]

Well it's different from the statistic I got when I ran it through statsguru

fine, go to Shakib Al Hasan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and see for your self.

don?t accuse me of lying just because you cant agree with me man

 

[Chewie]

err how did you get those figures from Wikipedia...

 

[Lassana Dias]

just look for your self, its in the bottom, separate test paying nations and do your own calculations

like i did

 

[Chewie]

I believe you should revise your maths.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...;spanval1=span;template=results;type=allround

^ Test stats from the last 3 years. Average of 34.35 with the bat, 29.11 with the ball


All-round records | One-Day Internationals | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPN Cricinfo

^ ODI stats from the past 3 years against test playing nations excluding Zimbabwe. Averages 32.79 with the bat and 30.62 with the ball

 

[aussie1st]

That would be an tactical option as well. But if he where Australian i'd prefer to bat him @ 6 & keep 4 quicks + Watson since it gives more bowling options. Which id say the test attack certainly needs given these days AUS dont know whats its best combination to take 20 test wickets.

We need batting strength more than bowling atm and Shakib wouldn't be in the top 6 batsmen for Australia.

 

[Lassana Dias]

your talking about 3 years and i am talking about he's career