Would Shakib Al Hasan make a team other than Bangladesh?

[mohit_dude10]

Shakib is a quality player, the only problem with him is he doesn't take responsibility of leading from the front. He should come in at 3 in the batting order and bowl early. He should back himself to do well. I certainly think he is one of the top 5 all rounders in recent past. He has been pretty consistent even against big teams.

I think atm teams like Australia,England,New Zealand would be dying to have a player like him. Australia especially as they lack a quality spinner. England would love to have him at 7 in place of Yardy/Wright. New Zealand too wouldn't mind having him in place of Oram/Franklin.

 

[Chewie]

Shakib is a quality player, the only problem with him is he doesn't take responsibility of leading from the front. He should come in at 3 in the batting order and bowl early. He should back himself to do well. I certainly think he is one of the top 5 all rounders in recent past. He has been pretty consistent even against big teams.

I think atm teams like Australia,England,New Zealand would be dying to have a player like him. Australia especially as they lack a quality spinner. England would love to have him at 7 in place of Yardy/Wright. New Zealand too wouldn't mind having him in place of Oram/Franklin.

err Franklin yes. Oram no.

 

[angryangy]

I think War might be onto something in that the domain of the pure all-rounder is probably much more of a temporal thing. Obviously it must be considered for players like Botham who struggled with injury in a long career, but a lot of us would have seen the likes of Razzaq or Kallis in their ascendancy, when they looked way more assertive as bowlers. Which is only fair, too. The conundrum of a fast bowling all-rounder is that they might be best at bowling long before they're best at batting.

 

[sifter132]

During the Ashes with Ponting & Clarke in awful form & Hughes, id definitely agree.

But looking forward if Ponting now being relieved of the captaincy can do a Tendulkar in tests. Hughes runs for NSW in the FC season can bring him back to Hughes of 2009 vs SA (that is if you dont keep Katich opening). Plus the captaincy may inspire runs from him. Thus a top 5 of:

Watson
Hughes/Katich
Ponting
Clarke
Hussey

Then such a top 5 would be solid enough to accommodate Shakib @ 6 in that hypothetical scenario in which he is Australian.

Right on brother With Haddin is batting well (in Tests) and Australia struggling to find a spinner - or even to bowl other teams out in general, Shakib would most likely walk into the Aussie Test side to play as a 6th/7th batter and 2nd spinner. If Hauritz and Harris come back into the side then it would be even better as an 8/9/10 of Johnson, Hauritz and Harris is quite good batting wise.

 

[Papa_Smurf]

I would argue that Shakib and Watson are without a doubt the best all-rounders in the world atm.

Not much of an accomplishment, considering their competition.

As for the 'pure all-rounder' debate, I think it was only Botham at his peak who would fit into that category perfectly.

@Lasina Das - when arguing and debating, you loose all credibility when you claim Wikipedia and your own arthimetic as your primary source.

 

[ferg512]

The only teams he could possibly not make would be Sri Lanka (because of their natural spin talent) and New Zealand (because of Vettori). India as well possibly.

Yeah, I would think we would have him anyway though as he would fill that gap at number 6 which Franklin and Williamson have been in and out of..

 

[ZoraxDoom]

I would argue that Shakib and Watson are without a doubt the best all-rounders in the world atm.

Not much of an accomplishment, considering their competition.

As for the 'pure all-rounder' debate, I think it was only Botham at his peak who would fit into that category perfectly.

@Lasina Das - when arguing and debating, you loose all credibility when you claim Wikipedia and your own arthimetic as your primary source.

Miller and Imran were very much pure allrounders at their peaks. John Reid too.

 

[Chewie]

Chris Cairns I would argue, too. Especially when you put him in the context of the NZ side.

 

[Lassana Dias]

I would argue that Shakib and Watson are without a doubt the best all-rounders in the world atm.

Not much of an accomplishment, considering their competition.

As for the 'pure all-rounder' debate, I think it was only Botham at his peak who would fit into that category perfectly.

@Lasina Das - when arguing and debating, you loose all credibility when you claim Wikipedia and your own arthimetic as your primary source.

so your telling me Wikipedia is not a good cource, how can i loss credibility for that friend,

 

[Chewie]

Wikipedia is accepted as a source at no respected university in the world.

On top of that, the statistics on that page were out of date. I can't be bothered going back to check if they still are.

 

[Lassana Dias]

Is that my fault then!! even if I take your statistics, I still don’t think he’s the worlds best all-rounder, when so many players get underrated all over the world, just because one player gets overrated for playing in a team without much talent.

Can not justify that!!!

My believe is that, worlds best players only play for world’s best teams. After all cricket is a team game.

If you don’t see my point, what the hell; I probably don’t know anything about cricket like you guys

 

[Gaurav_7]

My believe is that, worlds best players only play for world’s best teams.

Wow.

 

[Lassana Dias]

Wow.

Just picture Sachin playing for Kenya Zimbabwe or Bangladesh?.. I cant even picture it in my mind

 

[ZoraxDoom]

Just picture Sachin playing for Kenya Zimbabwe or Bangladesh….. I cant even picture it in my mind

So you're saying the world's best players can only be born in the best cricketing nations? Because by that logic you're pretty much saying the only reason Shakib can't be a great player is because he was born in Bangladesh.

Unless you are saying that only the best players get picked by the best sides...I don't have to prove to you how flawed that logic is do I?

Secondly, lots of examples prove you wrong. Guys like Vinoo Mankad, John Reid, Andy Flower and George Headley started and ended their careers in pretty mediocre sides. Even Lara's career was mostly in a poor side.

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Is that my fault then!! even if I take your statistics, I still don’t think he’s the worlds best all-rounder, when so many players get underrated all over the world, just because one player gets overrated for playing in a team without much talent.

Can not justify that!!!

My believe is that, worlds best players only play for world’s best teams. After all cricket is a team game.

If you don’t see my point, what the hell; I probably don’t know anything about cricket like you guys

a) Yes, it is your fault. There is no excuse for bad statistics with Cricinfo around

b) Then that's your opinion, don't try pushing it as fact.

c) @ the last line - quite possibly.

 

[Lassana Dias]

So you're saying the world's best players can only be born in the best cricketing nations? Because by that logic you're pretty much saying the only reason Shakib can't be a great player is because he was born in Bangladesh.

Unless you are saying that only the best players get picked by the best sides...I don't have to prove to you how flawed that logic is do I?

Secondly, lots of examples prove you wrong. Guys like Vinoo Mankad, John Reid, Andy Flower and George Headley started and ended their careers in pretty mediocre sides. Even Lara's career was mostly in a poor side.

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a) Yes, it is your fault. There is no excuse for bad statistics with Cricinfo around

b) Then that's your opinion, don't try pushing it as fact.

c) @ the last line - quite possibly.

That?s it mate, unlike you I cant really go in to personal attack, ? you know who you are and I know who I am, I hope you have played good cricket to understand the game!!!

And finally my cricket guru friend

a) I personally trust wiki as I get lot of information from it and cricinfo is not flawless. In any web sites with loads of information, you can have misinformation as well.

b) I said ?I still don?t think he?s the worlds best all-rounder? so that is my opinion only, like you also have a opinion as many do and i respect that. This is cricket I know after representing my countries A team for a year and with 70+ first class matches. So I think I qualify to have a opinion and I can share it with people; you don?t agree with it, fine ...

c) Dude, I just feel sorry for you !!!

By the way next personal attack of your, just because you don?t like me or what ever, will be reported