Ashes 2015 - Australia tour of England July/September 2015

[bigred]

Not sure what all of the fuss is about regarding Siddle vs Cummins. You pick a team to win a test and Siddle is clearly the best bowler for these conditions.

 

[richowebbo]

Toss won again. I;

so owing to the shocking selection policies of England / Ian Bell obviously having pictures of the odious Giles Clarke defiling the corpse of a dormouse, I guess I have lost my bet with @cooks1st100 - anyone give me a tip on how to transfer vcash?

i would just point out Ballance was outscoring Bell when he was dropped; that Bell is shit; and all this has done is make me hate Bell even more.

I had no idea you were so opposed to Bell, Dave. This revelation has shocked me to the core. To the core I tell you.

 

[richowebbo]

Anyone else think bowling first was the wrong call? I would have batted first, but I have chosen the opposite to Cook/Clark so far, and been massively wrong!

England have started really poorly with the ball here, especially Broad. Too wide and then dragging down leg side. Wasting the new ball.

 

[grkrama]

what a blazing start here by aus openers,

believe the plan is to not expose No 3 before the ball is 30 overs old/

 

[blockerdave]

what a blazing start here by aus openers,

believe the plan is to not expose No 3 before the ball is 30 overs old/

this is how you play on an english seamer while the ball is new.

 

[richowebbo]

what a blazing start here by aus openers,

believe the plan is to not expose No 3 before the ball is 30 overs old/

This is Test cricket as it was before the last year or two! Very good batting from the Openers. The only problem comes if they lose a couple of wickets, which doesn't seem likely at present. They were lucky that Broad bowled poorly with he new ball though. Woods bowled well after a poor fist couple.

In my opinion, this is why Broad will never be World class. He has World class spells, but he isn't consistent enough.

 

[grkrama]

I just thought they were trying to go past the 18 over mark

 

[richowebbo]

I just thought they were trying to go past the 18 over mark

What must be disappointing for Australia fans, is that this is how teams have always beaten England. Nullify the attack in the first 10 overs by leaving anything on the stumps, then attack the non strike bowlers. This should have been their plan in every match, rather than trying to attack from the off.

This is a batting wicket (it really isn't that Green!), so if you see off the new ball without loss, a big score should ensue. The middle order for Australia should be licking their lips.

 

[blockerdave]

What must be disappointing for Australia fans, is that this is how teams have always beaten England. Nullify the attack in the first 10 overs by leaving anything on the stumps, then attack the non strike bowlers. This should have been their plan in every match, rather than trying to attack from the off.

This is a batting wicket (it really isn't that Green!), so if you see off the new ball without loss, a big score should ensue. The middle order for Australia should be licking their lips.

yeah, at trent bridge especially aus gave up once they lost the toss.

 

[grkrama]

What must be disappointing for Australia fans, is that this is how teams have always beaten England. Nullify the attack in the first 10 overs by leaving anything on the stumps, then attack the non strike bowlers. This should have been their plan in every match, rather than trying to attack from the off.

This is a batting wicket (it really isn't that Green!), so if you see off the new ball without loss, a big score should ensue. The middle order for Australia should be licking their lips.

yup that's why i mentioned their 'blazing start', cause all their pre ashes talk was about attacking from the start, i even remember Lehman saying to a question of how they would counter swing and replying by hit the leather hard or something and its taken them quite a time to figure that it was wrong.

Ind also did well when in that lords green one Vijay hung it out enough, though some how we forgot that in the remaining 3 matches.

 

[richowebbo]

yup that's why i mentioned their 'blazing start', cause all their pre ashes talk was about attacking from the start, i even remember Lehman saying to a question of how they would counter swing and replying by hit the leather hard or something and its taken them quite a time to figure that it was wrong.

Ind also did well when in that lords green one Vijay hung it out enough, though some how we forgot that in the remaining 3 matches.

I don't remember that particular innings, but it is the only way to play in typical English conditions.

A lot of people have slated English cricket for being slow or too defensive, but forget that this is how you have to play in a lot of matches in England. It isn't always possible to swing the bat and make quick runs, and a lot of times you have to wait for the ball to get old and the sun to come out before you can push on.

Did anyone see that article on news.com.au slating England for ordering pitches to suit their needs? What an absolute joke of an article this is! First accused of producing slow pitches to negate the Aussie bowlers, then accused of creating Green pitches to help our bowlers. If this website are to believed, I guess the ECB have asked The Creator (whomever he or she may be) to ensure its cloudy on Ashes days to ensure the ball can swing. Plonkers.

 

[grkrama]

A lot of people have slated English cricket for being slow or too defensive, but forget that this is how you have to play in a lot of matches in England.

To be fair everybody knows that but you cant argue that until this recent turn around ENG have been super defensive everywhere in both their batting and general approach to game.
Its actually positive cricket form root stokes that has started this turn around and bowlers amped it up big time in the last two tests.


Also why am i listening to tom harrison interview instead of match analysis is it to negate that change cricket campaign or something ?

 

[C Boomer]

Anyone else think bowling first was the wrong call? I would have batted first, but I have chosen the opposite to Cook/Clark so far, and been massively wrong!

England have started really poorly with the ball here, especially Broad. Too wide and then dragging down leg side. Wasting the new ball.

I agree, Cooke & England have been a little naive to say the least in the forlorn hope that:

1. Australia's batsmen would capitulate in a second consecutive test match

&

2. Broad & co would/could replicate the penetrating level of bowling we witnessed at Trent Bridge.

In other words, the Aussies were never likely to lie down and roll over again and become a rubbish team overnight!

 

[richowebbo]

To be fair everybody knows that but you cant argue that until this recent turn around ENG have been super defensive everywhere in both their batting and general approach to game.
Its actually positive cricket form root stokes that has started this turn around and bowlers amped it up big time in the last two tests.


Also why am i listening to tom harrison interview instead of match analysis is it to negate that change cricket campaign or something ?

I'm not saying it wasn't a defensive style. I'm saying the reason for it is because they have grown up playing on pitches and conditions that dictate a high amount of trepidation. This makes it very difficult to then be an attacking players because the conditions have changed.

 

[richowebbo]

I agree, Cooke & England have been a little naive to say the least in the forlorn hope that:

1. Australia's batsmen would capitulate in a second consecutive test match

&

2. Broad & co would/could replicate the penetrating level of bowling we witnessed at Trent Bridge.

In other words, the Aussies were never likely to lie down and roll over again and become a rubbish team overnight!

Also, having not seen the pitch before the start of play, I was expecting a proper Green wicket. It wasn't this kind of pitch at all, and from what I could see looked like it was tearing up a fair bit, so Lyon will be delighted to bowl last on it.