Ashes-2023 England VS Australia 16 June-31 July

[wasteyouryouth]

despite being a far superior side

 

[T.J.Hooker II]

You can argue that the whole idea of BazBall is to move the game from being about batting for a long time, where the Aussie lineup is deffo superior, to ball striking and quick scoring and claiming moral victories, where the reverse is true.

 

[Supreme General]

Such a shame we are unable to win a test series in England again despite being a far superior side. Not as big a gap as the one in the 2019 series, but still disappointing. However at least we are able to win ashes tests away from home.

Far superior side my arse

 

[blockerdave]

Good stat (especially for @blockerdave ) Crawley's got the most runs by an English player in an Ashes series since Ian Bell in 2013.

Ha ha. Bloody hell.

 

[Croadyman]

Far superior side my arse

Yeah more like the smarter side for two tests

 

[blockerdave]

These are 2 well matched sides with very different styles. You could argue Australia have had really bad luck with Lyon’s injury. But then again if England had Wood in the first test I think we’d have won.

Neither is far superior. England look it when we have periods like this and are scoring quickly… but then when the Aussies are batting they don’t score so quickly but our attack looks less threatening (minus Wood).

England threw away Edgbaston and were stuffed at Lords.

 

[T.J.Hooker II]

I'm just trying to think of Australian test sides with a better pace trio then Starc, Cummins, Hazlewood.

First one that springs to mind is Lillee, Thomson, Hogg.

 

[Dutch]

England doing their best to make it more exciting than it needs to be in terms of target.

 

[T.J.Hooker II]

England doing their best to make it more exciting than it needs to be in terms of target.

Declaration incoming ...

 

[wasteyouryouth]

I'm just trying to think of Australian test sides with a better pace trio then Starc, Cummins, Hazlewood.

First one that springs to mind is Lillee, Thomson, Hogg.

While I'm not entirely confident in statsguru's powers (or my powers using it) anymore, the latter trio only played one match together.

 

[T.J.Hooker II]

And it would have been when Lillee and Thommo were well past their best.

Lillee, Thomson, Alderman? I'm not sure if rebel tours prevented that one.

 

[blockerdave]

I'm just trying to think of Australian test sides with a better pace trio then Starc, Cummins, Hazlewood.

First one that springs to mind is Lillee, Thomson, Hogg.

Before Dizzy fell off a cliff in 2005 McGrath Gillespie and Lee was pretty ace.

 

[T.J.Hooker II]

Yeah, I did consider that one. Obvs McGrath massively boosts any trio he's in. And with Warne as well? Holy shit you're going to win some cricket matches with that attack.

 

[wasteyouryouth]

And it would have been when Lillee and Thommo were well past their best.

Lillee, Thomson, Alderman? I'm not sure if rebel tours prevented that one.

Seven tests, Alderman averaged 40, Thomson almost 40

Before Dizzy fell off a cliff in 2005 McGrath Gillespie and Lee was pretty ace.

That's who I was thinking of as at least close. They played 22 together, the current three have 25.

Only other that I could think of, not necessarily comparable but out of curiosity, was Harris, Johnson, Siddle who played England in that 5-nil series. 11 matches together and 8 wins although seven of those were in Australia.

 

[blockerdave]

Harris Johnson and Siddle weren’t really consistently excellent with Harris often injured, Johnson blowing hot and cold and Siddle being a pie chucker

Hughes and McDermott were excellent, not sure how often they played together or who the 3rd would have been: Alderman or Reiffel I guess. Decent but not in the McGrath / Gillespie / Lee class. McDermott had a bad injury record too