Ashes-2023 England VS Australia 16 June-31 July

[Dutch]

With all the talk of unfair play and bla bal bal England have only themselves to blame. At least 7 or 8 wickets across the two innings were unneccessary. At 188 for 1 they should have batted sensibly and would have come close to parity or even a lead and would have won the match with or without all the drama.

 

[Bevab]

It is just laughable how people are calling Bairstow names. If I am to explain myself?

I was the first and most vocal critic of Ashwin but on reflection, the non striker gains a huge advantage by backing up. Here, it was the end of the over. Bairstow gained nothing, he was never looking for a run. If what happens is within the rules then the rules are garbage and like most things in the world, common sense is rare. It was also the end of the over.

It tells me another thing- All this talk of culture etc within Australia is a heap of BS. They are the same as sandpaper gate and that Steve Smith in particular I always felt will do anything to win.

I'll just say it- That was blatant cheating. The rules are rubbish if that was allowed and the umps lack common sense.

How is it cheating when they're following the rules? They had a catch chalked off earlier in the game due to the same rules being rubbish by that logic.

 

[Bevab]

With all the talk of unfair play and bla bal bal England have only themselves to blame. At least 7 or 8 wickets across the two innings were unneccessary. At 188 for 1 they should have batted sensibly and would have come close to parity or even a lead and would have won the match with or without all the drama.

While things got heated at the Lord's and you have the usual nutters on social media going ham, it doesn't seem like a lot of the England fans are upset over the nature of the dismissal as I'm seeing a lot of criticism for Bairstow. Perhaps it would have been different if it was Root or Stokes being dismissed there instead of everyone's favourite clown but I agree with the sentiment that England have only themselves to blame. They won the toss, batted when it was most advantageous, bowled when the ball was doing a lot and were still dominated in most phases of play other than the one you've mentioned.

 

[Ahmad94]

It is just laughable how people are calling Bairstow names. If I am to explain myself?

I was the first and most vocal critic of Ashwin but on reflection, the non striker gains a huge advantage by backing up. Here, it was the end of the over. Bairstow gained nothing, he was never looking for a run. If what happens is within the rules then the rules are garbage and like most things in the world, common sense is rare. It was also the end of the over. Bairstow was not batting out of his crease is the most important thing for me. Otherwise I would have sided with Carey.

It tells me another thing- All this talk of culture etc within Australia is a heap of BS. They are the same as sandpaper gate and that Steve Smith in particular I always felt will do anything to win.

I'll just say it- That was blatant cheating. The rules are rubbish if that was allowed and the umps lack common sense.

Exactly! It's a cheap way to get a wicket. Bairstow clearly wasn't trying to get a quick run or take advantage - he thought it was a dead ball.

 

[CerealKiller]

 

[Bevab]

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Exactly! It's a cheap way to get a wicket. Bairstow clearly wasn't trying to get a quick run or take advantage - he thought it was a dead ball.

Is it any cheaper than all of the examples provided earlier in the thread?

 

[Umair7]

That was blatant cheating

Cricket Rules: That was a legal dismissal

Random Fan on PC: Cheating!

Wonderful!

 

[T.J.Hooker II]

It's an incredibly cheesy dismissal but Bairstow was off with the fairies.

The Aussies were looking for a weakness and they found one when he tweaked off down the wicket without checking what the keeper was doing.

 

[Umair7]

Exactly! It's a cheap way to get a wicket. Bairstow clearly wasn't trying to get a quick run or take advantage - he thought it was a dead ball.

That's Bairstow fault, it's his responsibility to make sure the ball is 100% dead.

 

[Bevab]

Cricket Rules: That was a legal dismissal

Random Fan on PC: Cheating!

Wonderful!

Yeah I get considering it a bit cheesy like @T.J.Hooker II has described it if you’re an English fan but it was an easily avoidable situation that no other batter got involved in and one that Bairstow was doing for the entirety of the over. I’m pretty sure we’ve had similar incidents in T20 league games where the keeper flings the ball at the stumps and then the batter runs on the overthrow or because the ball is dead. If the batter originally was supposed to have considered it dead in this scenario, why is he running to take advantage? There’s no way Bairstow doesn’t run if that was an overthrow too.

If Carey held onto the ball and then threw it a couple of seconds later then criticise him for taking advantage of Bairstow but he threw it instantly while Bairstow was still in the crease at the point of release knowing that Bairstow would have walked out because he saw it happen multiple times in the same over. If he got that wrong he would have looked like a muppet. It was a high risk play and one Bairstow could have easily avoided.

 

[Bevab]

The England squad for the next test looks grim if Pope and Mo can’t play. I would have thought that this is the perfect time to bring Foakes along to re-integrate him into the side but it seems like he doesn’t have access to the sort of private pictures that Zak does of the selectors and coaches…

 

[CerealKiller]

 

[blockerdave]

There’s no way the Starc catch was a real catch, he stopped himself by putting the ball on the floor. And there’s nothing wrong with the Bairstow wicket - entirely his fault.

The two “controversies” are absolutely ridiculous IMO. Both were clear cut and both had the absolute right decision.

If England can’t get Wood fit we’re in real trouble. At Lords on Friday afternoon except for when Tongue was bowling 99% of balls bowled were showing under 80mph. You cannot win tests like that.

 

[wasteyouryouth]

The England squad for the next test looks grim if Pope and Mo can’t play. I would have thought that this is the perfect time to bring Foakes along to re-integrate him into the side but it seems like he doesn’t have access to the sort of private pictures that Zak does of the selectors and coaches…

I can see this team bringing Moeen in at 3 if Pope can't play

 

[Bevab]

I can see this team bringing Moeen in at 3 if Pope can't play

That would actually be nuts if they don’t bring in Woakes to balance the side.

And if they play Woakes in the next test then the question will be asked of why he didn’t play at Lord’s where he turns into a machine.