Ashes Cricket General Discussion

[Dutch]

It's nice that humans are edging, but the physics of both of those are really bad.

The first one, a full pitched ball, prodded and caught on the jump flying over the slips head. You can say we are being too critical but the bottom line is, if what I see doesn't make sense I've no reason to believe it happens organically but is more a dice roll. If I don't believe the physics why play it?

Yes, that may be the case but it is about a process.....so first they were not edging, now we have them edging........I do not want to get in to a us and them mentality.....I do not work for BA, I don't get paid or whatever...we show some stuff here because we are cricket nuts like yourself, have been somewhat disappointed in some of the things in the game and are trying to help to get things to a place that everyone can feel it is a good game of cricket.....I didn't invent that process or feel responsible for it: I am trying to constructively and with understanding work towards a better iteration of this game. I understand the frustration as well of there being a small group of so-called insiders who are privileged to play a version of the game that is in some ways is perhaps better than the game others are playing.....unfortunately the process is one that is taking time, will take time. In the end there is hopefully a game that will be the better for it.

 

[cricket_online]

Agreed, but it needs to be balanced with that what is going well......if things are posted here and the only thing people are picking up on is a. this isn't right and/or b. is this being fixed? it becomes a chore.....

My intention isn't to be a debbie downer. Obviously I like what beta folks are doing and love the fact that Ashes cricket is finally being worked on. My intent was to raise a flag so either Beta or Big Ant folks can pick on and double check on it, and if there's a problem to fix it when it can still be tweaked rather than patch released with a potential bug. Nobody expects Ashes cricket to be perfect but I want to as close to it as possible.

 

[Dutch]

My intention isn't to be a debbie downer. Obviously I like what beta folks are doing and love the fact that Ashes cricket is finally being worked on. My intent was to raise a flag so either Beta or Big Ant folks can pick on and double check on it, and if there's a problem to fix it when it can still be tweaked rather than patch released with a potential bug. Nobody expects Ashes cricket to be perfect but I want to as close to it as possible.

Then we are on the same page: the core of my statement you quoted is in the word "only".

The difference in the game between now and say a week ago is phenomenal and gives real hope that over a period of time each and every aspect, in each and every format can be tuned and fixed. Whether there is that time and whether BA want to release one patch or incremental patches or whatever I have no idea about and even if I did would not want to/be able to post that here.

 

[cricket_online]

Yes, that may be the case but it is about a process.....so first they were not edging, now we have them edging........I do not want to get in to a us and them mentality.....I do not work for BA, I don't get paid or whatever...we show some stuff here because we are cricket nuts like yourself, have been somewhat disappointed in some of the things in the game and are trying to help to get things to a place that everyone can feel it is a good game of cricket.....I understand the frustration as well of there being a small group of so-called insiders who are privileged to play a version of the game that is in some ways is perhaps better than the game others are playing.....unfortunately the process is one that is taking time, will take time. In the end there is hopefully a game that will be the better for it.

I think you are taking the feedback too personally. The whole point is that we all want a better game and we understand that it's a work in progress and will take time... there's no silver bullet to "fix" anything. From my perspective when I watch beta videos there are two things I can do...

Option 1: Watch the video and ignore anything that seems out of place or potential area for improvement.
Option 2: Flag anything that seems like a potential red flag, which may or may not be the case given we don't have insight into the beta process.

I personally prefer Option 2 and the sole intent is to provide constructive feedback. If i come out and say "The video looked bad. The game needs improvement." by all means call me out on it but surely it serves everyone, including Beta folks and the Big Ant team when someone states "I think X might be a problem for such and such reason."

 

[Dutch]

I think you are taking the feedback too personally.

I don't think I am.
I would actually venture to say that there many other members in this thread who take it all way more personally than me: that the state of the game is an attack by BA on their personal integrity and lives. I certainly don't see it that way at all. I take it seriously, sure, and am not blind to that which still obviously needs tuning or looked at and am also not arrogant enough to think I see and know everything.

As the great Socrates said when the people asked him whether he was the wisest: after going about meeting many people he came back and said: yes I believe I am the wisest, as I am the only one who doesn't think he knows everything!
(Meant to be tongue in cheek for those unable to discern the difference.)

 

[cricket_online]

I don't think I am.

We are good in that case. And I will try to explain things better and put it in context in case I see any pit falls in the future. Meanwhile keep up the good work

 

[Dutch]

We are good in that case. And I will try to explain things better and put it in context in case I see any pit falls in the future. Meanwhile keep up the good work

Look forward to it! (not tongue in cheek!)

 

[zimrahil]

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Oh hang on, proper constructive feedback is taking place, internal computer cannot compute, it also cannot compute i am spoiling the flow of discussion with this post. Auto shutdown sequence initiated.........

 

[Dutch]

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Oh hang on, proper constructive feedback is taking place, internal computer cannot compute, it also cannot compute i am spoiling the flow of discussion with this post. Auto shutdown sequence initiated.........

Stop supporting Birmingham City and you will see things in the right light again.....

 

[Wealey]

For me.... Apparantly footwork was ok and and shot was ok.

I’m happy with edging that. I have seen Cook edge half volleys that I have thought... how? Just how have you got out to that.

 

[Spoobir]

For me.... Apparantly footwork was ok and and shot was ok.

I’m happy with edging that. I have seen Cook edge half volleys that I have thought... how? Just how have you got out to that.

Depends when it comes as well. Early on against the new the ball I can deal. I would not be happy if I was apparently well set though haha.

 

[zimrahil]

Stop supporting Birmingham City and you will see things in the right light again.....

Urgh the truth sure does hurt. Luckily for you I cannot override shutdown else I would be banning you as I cannot handle the truth you complete tos...........<shutdown complete>

 

[wasteyouryouth]

It's nice that humans are edging, but the physics of both of those are really bad.

The first one, a full pitched ball, prodded and caught on the jump flying over the slips head. You can say we are being too critical but the bottom line is, if what I see doesn't make sense I've no reason to believe it happens organically but is more a dice roll. If I don't believe the physics why play it?

I've been edging the ball since day one. There was a little dry spell but they returned with a vengeance when I upped the minimum bowling speed and went to hardest batting. I've had some cracking batting experiences lately with only minor adjustments.

It really amazes me how big an issue this is.

 

[cricket_online]

For me.... Apparantly footwork was ok and and shot was ok.

I’m happy with edging that. I have seen Cook edge half volleys that I have thought... how? Just how have you got out to that.

Edging half volleys might not be an issue in itself but it all depends on frequency of the occurrence. I would prefer a batsman edging a half volley once in a blue moon or in case the shot or timing was incorrect. And on flat wkts, edging a half volley should be even rare. But in a video game, users need to know why they were dismissed - poor shot selection, poor footwork, poor timing etc. - or in a very rare case a dismissal despite everything being correct but that has to be a very rare event.

From my perspective that would be my feedback to beta folks and Big Ant team, i.e. to make sure that you edge for a reason, i.e. trying to drive a ball which is not quite full or the batsman driving to far from the body without reaching the pitch of the ball (i.e. poor footwork) or batsman is late etc. In other words I wouldn't want to have edges just for the sake of it. There has to be a cricketing reason which the end user can understand and improve upon.

 

[Chris Swift]

Some positive feedback.