Australian ODI tour of the United Kingdom and Ireland, June-July 2010

[Robelinda]

We need guys to step up big time to win this series, i'm not sure if we are really up for it though.

 

[drainpipe32]

Hmm, Ponting just needs to get past 30....

 

[angryangy]

Paine has a few knocks where hes in the acceptable 80 strike rate mark, in those games I remember him scoring freely and I remember the Indian game we he was going at almost a run a ball. But since Haddin returned hes been back to his slow scoring ways that we remember he for in his early career. Definitely agree regarding Wade.

White seems to struggle to score at a consistent rate during the middle overs, he was 45 off 63 balls at the 40th over mark, that is very Clarke like but from the guy that is meant to be our big hitter.

He was actually 15 off 33 when Hussey got out. I think it was partly due to everyone already being out and partly about adjusting to a pitch where there was bounce. He took his time, but the important thing is that he knew where his innings was going. His ability to attack was what allowed him to do that, because he basically scored at a run a ball in the last 20 overs.

I hate to say it, but at the moment Australia might be doing better if they were 2 down in the first over, because 7-9 look like they've got more runs in them. At least Watson got his act together for a bit longer, but his failing was still a bit of a hoicky pull shot.

The bowling was obviously weakened by the loss of Harris, but it would have been interesting to see Hazlewood again. Hopefully Harris is just sore, because even a really light tear would keep him out of the series.

 

[Num]

Perhaps drop Clarke to give Marsh a look in? Though Marsh would have to play in the middle order. Like sifter132, I'd like to see Hopes opening to give us that spark at the start of an innings.

Team I would play in the 3rd ODI:

1. Watson
2. Hopes
3. Ponting
4. Smith
5. White
6. Hussey
7. Paine
8. Hauritz
9. McKay/Harris
10. Bollinger
11. Hazlewood

 

[TumTum]

What a disaster that was picking 2 spinners n a bouncy pitch

It is really no surprise that England are winning, this is their best ODI side since ever versus Australian C side.

 

[drainpipe32]

1. Watson
2. Clarke
3. Ponting
4. White
5. Hussey
6. Hopes
7. Paine
8. Smith
9. McKay
10. Bollinger
11. Hazlewood

Clarke must open.

 

[riz7khan12]

how did england win 2 in a row :laugh shame on aus.

anyways Paul Collingwood became the highest run scorer for england in odi's today
Matches: 179
Runs: 4693
Average: 36.66

compare this with other countries top run scorers

Australia - Ponting
Matches: 347
Runs: 12,847
Average: 42.68

India - Tendulkar
Matches: 442
Runs: 17,598
Average: 45.12

New Zealand - Fleming
Matches: 279
Runs: 8007
Average: 32.41

Pakistan - Ul-Haq
Matches: 375
Runs: 11,701
Average: 39.53

South Africa - Kallis
Matches: 298
Runs: 10,809
Average: 46.59

Sri Lanka - Jayasuriya
Matches: 440
Runs: 13,362
Average: 32.59

West Indies - Lara
Matches: 295
Runs: 10,348
Average: 40.90

Zimbabwe - A Flower
Matches: 213
Runs: 6786
Average: 35.34

I was a bit surprised to see the highest amount of runs scored to be 4000 odd. while the average is.

Matches: 336.13
Runs: 11,432.25

I guess this new breed of english one day cricketers will be the ones setting all the new records.

 

[angryangy]

What a disaster that was picking 2 spinners n a bouncy pitch

Disaster is the wrong word for that. They did get Strauss and Pietersen out; by contrast, only one of the four included seamers did any better. If Hazlewood had been added at the expense of either spinner, he would have had to take five to yield a win. A far fetched situation to consider obvious. Furthermore, two spinners was hardly disastrous for England.

The disaster was clearly the batting. Although the pitch had bounce, it was true and there were runs in it. Less than 250 was a very poor score to have to defend. Also, if Smith hadn't been selected, who knows, it could have been worse. Not that I think teams ride on the strength of their number 7s, but the batting should take three quarters of the responsibility for the result.

 

[Robelinda]

Disaster was the batting for sure.

 

[aussie1st]

He was actually 15 off 33 when Hussey got out. I think it was partly due to everyone already being out and partly about adjusting to a pitch where there was bounce. He took his time, but the important thing is that he knew where his innings was going. His ability to attack was what allowed him to do that, because he basically scored at a run a ball in the last 20 overs.

That is one problem, if he had gotten out with Hussey then he like Paine would have wasted almost half his deliveries with dot balls. We seem to have too many guys that need to get set before hitting big and now White seems to have joined that group. If you look at the English innings so far, they have been very similar to ours with the lack of going on after a start but their scoring rate is a lot better than our guys.

The problems I see is the opening partner for the aggressive guy not rotating the strike. Marsh had this problem and now Paine seems to have the same one. It just kills the momentum of the guy at the other end and hence we hardly ever see those flying starts from us anymore. And the middle overs where we just nudge it around at 3-4 an over. Those tactics work well when you have Gilchrist and Hayden getting you off to flyers and then Symonds to keep it going but we don't have either now although White could do the Symonds role but they seem to be 1 in every 5.

 

[Owzat]

Disaster is the wrong word for that. They did get Strauss and Pietersen out; by contrast, only one of the four included seamers did any better. If Hazlewood had been added at the expense of either spinner, he would have had to take five to yield a win. A far fetched situation to consider obvious. Furthermore, two spinners was hardly disastrous for England.

The disaster was clearly the batting. Although the pitch had bounce, it was true and there were runs in it. Less than 250 was a very poor score to have to defend. Also, if Smith hadn't been selected, who knows, it could have been worse. Not that I think teams ride on the strength of their number 7s, but the batting should take three quarters of the responsibility for the result.

Hard to argue with that re where the game was lost, 118/5 is not a winning position in too many matches and while the bowling didn't exactly "excel" either, 240 is a below par score.

But as was mentioned on TMS, the sides batting second are heavily favoured. It was something like seven ODIs there and the only two times the side batting first didn't lose it was "no result". The highest innings is 258/3 but that all said, England's 243/6 yesterday was the highest run chase achieved

HowSTAT! Ground Statistics (ODI)

McKay proved the weakest link in a not very strong aussie attack, his 9.2-0-60-0 making life very easy for England, and while extras were only 10-3 in England's favour, the FIVE no balls the aussies gave away helped England ease to what might otherwise have been a closer contest (had they not given away no balls and had the attack tightened up just that little bit)

Why no Hilfenhaus? Batting looks ok, even Ponting, Clarke and Hussey all failed, but the bowling looks a bit thin

 

[McLOVIN]

1. Watson
2. Hopes

1. Watson
2. Clarke

Clarke must open.

You guys should just bring Warner in ODIs. I mean whats the big deal? He couldn't be that bad. Can't do worse then the current guys.

 

[Num]

That is one problem, if he had gotten out with Hussey then he like Paine would have wasted almost half his deliveries with dot balls. We seem to have too many guys that need to get set before hitting big and now White seems to have joined that group. If you look at the English innings so far, they have been very similar to ours with the lack of going on after a start but their scoring rate is a lot better than our guys.

Yet you were defending Clarke's spot in the team earlier.

White gets set to hit boundaries during the batting powerplay. Clarke gets set to knock around singles during the batting powerplay. This is why I'd rather have someone like Smith in the middle order because his relatively sound technique will generally allow him to prevent/survive a collapse whilst still scoring at a good rate in the middle overs then opening up towards the end of the innings. I agree that Australia's batsmen in general need to score faster at the start of their innings though.

 

[aussie1st]

Yet you were defending Clarke's spot in the team earlier.

White gets set to hit boundaries during the batting powerplay. Clarke gets set to knock around singles during the batting powerplay. This is why I'd rather have someone like Smith in the middle order.

And I would defend White's spot if someone was calling for him to be dropped. No matter how you put it, White ended up with a similar strike rate to Clarke the difference was 20 odd runs in the total. You said you wanted a Morgan like innings, well the player to produce that is White. Instead he produced a Clarke like innings which is not what White is in the side for.

 

[Sahil 7]

Problem Of The Australia Is They Dont Have Any Good Seamer In There Line Up Just Bolinger Is experience Then None Of Them Have Experience In there Line Up They Should Have Given Chance To Shaun Tait And Dirk Nannes