Australian ODI tour of the United Kingdom and Ireland, June-July 2010

And I would defend White's spot if someone was calling for him to be dropped. No matter how you put it, White ended up with a similar strike rate to Clarke the difference was 20 odd runs in the total. You said you wanted a Morgan like innings, well the player to produce that is White. Instead he produced a Clarke like innings which is not what White is in the side for.

I don't think White's position in the team as a pinch hitter is fair to him. By far and away he's been our most consistent ODI batsman in the last 12 months. If he produces a Clarke like innings it is because Clarke hasn't done that and the side is in trouble.
 
White's consistency is great but its come at the expense of his free scoring nature. Batting records | One-Day Internationals | Cricinfo Statsguru | Cricinfo.com You will see a number of games where his strike rate is in the 60s, is that what we have come to know White for? For me definitely not, this is more like the White I have come to expect 1st ODI: Australia v Pakistan at Brisbane, Jan 22, 2010 | Cricket Scorecard | Cricinfo.com

White's problem is rotating the strike and hence so many of the innings I showed above were below a strike rate of 70. Once he fixes that then we will get to the next level.
 
And I would defend White's spot if someone was calling for him to be dropped. No matter how you put it, White ended up with a similar strike rate to Clarke the difference was 20 odd runs in the total. You said you wanted a Morgan like innings, well the player to produce that is White. Instead he produced a Clarke like innings which is not what White is in the side for.

I was using the Morgan comparison more to show how just because Clarke is not renowned to muscle sixes with brute power (Morgan hits sixes, but I wouldn't generally say with brute power) does not mean he has to play the way he does.
 
I was using the Morgan comparison more to show how just because Clarke is not renowned to muscle sixes with brute power (Morgan hits sixes, but I wouldn't generally say with brute power) does not mean he has to play the way he does.

They are completely different batsmen, Morgan is a known quick scorer, heck he has hit more sixes in his short career than Clarke has in his entire ODI career.

And Clarke playing the way he does ended up with basically the same score and strike rate as Cameron White. Both hit seven fours, White hit two extra sixes which means Clarke basically ended up playing 12 less dot balls. In the last 10 overs of the 2nd ODI we scored 70 runs, in the last 10 overs of the 1st ODI we scored 79 so interesting to see the lack of criticism of White's innings.

Anyway I'm not blaming White like I didn't blame Clarke, all this mess came about from the batsmen that failed and once again our poor use of the 10-20 over period.
 
I know one guy that won't be happy with it :p I hope this doesn't mean we play Smith at 8 for the ODI series or the Test one for that matter although I know it'll be a given for Test if Hauritz isn't fit.
 
Not exactly great for Australia TBH. Bar Harris, Hauritz has been Australia's best bowler over the 2 games, and now both have picked up injuries. Tait's hardly been brilliant in the 50 over stuff domestically either. I'd have preferred to have Hauritz fit if I was an Aussie fan.
 
Clint McKay is totally out of sorts, I've been following him in the Twenty20 and in most of those games he's been going over 10 an over and in the warm up matches he wasn't good either.
 
For fearsome tweak's sake! Can we not have these injury riddled overseas tours! First India, then New Zealand and now this :S

White's consistency is great but its come at the expense of his free scoring nature. Batting records | One-Day Internationals | Cricinfo Statsguru | Cricinfo.com You will see a number of games where his strike rate is in the 60s, is that what we have come to know White for? For me definitely not, this is more like the White I have come to expect 1st ODI: Australia v Pakistan at Brisbane, Jan 22, 2010 | Cricket Scorecard | Cricinfo.com

White's problem is rotating the strike and hence so many of the innings I showed above were below a strike rate of 70. Once he fixes that then we will get to the next level.
The only next level I want to see him at is test.
 
Ironically, if you look at Morgan's career, you'll also find lots of slow innings. In fact, proportionally more of Morgan's innings have been below 70 than White's.
 

Bring in Warner, Tait, Nannes into the ODI!!!
They heard me! Tait will be expensive but he will be very charged up. Currently the Aus team looks very down and :| -faced.

I saw Tait at the game yesterday. lol is that why they picked him? Because he is already in Eng? Could it be? I wonder...

At McLovin, Its touch wood in the UK!
oh. Well still.. :p
 
White seems to struggle to score at a consistent rate during the middle overs, he was 45 off 63 balls at the 40th over mark, that is very Clarke like but from the guy that is meant to be our big hitter.

Meant to be your big hitter? With Ponting in such poor form I'd argue that he's your best ODI batsman and should be at 3. White's struggling because he's coming in with the run-rate low and not long enough to correct it. I say put him at three and let him build an innings, because he looks the only player in your team capable of scoring centuries at the moment.
 
Meant to be your big hitter? With Ponting in such poor form I'd argue that he's your best ODI batsman and should be at 3. White's struggling because he's coming in with the run-rate low and not long enough to correct it. I say put him at three and let him build an innings, because he looks the only player in your team capable of scoring centuries at the moment.

Well White had a shocker regardless of situation. He hardly hit anything in the middle of the bat until the last couple of overs - when he changed bats :D But full credit to him for slogging it out and sticking around - you could tell he was extremely frustrated by his lack of form.

Clarke must open.

Yes, he's done well when opening, but it doesn't suit him, his strengths suit the middle overs. Why? Because he plays spin better than pace. And works gaps better than hitting boundaries.

The problems I see is the opening partner for the aggressive guy not rotating the strike. Marsh had this problem and now Paine seems to have the same one. It just kills the momentum of the guy at the other end and hence we hardly ever see those flying starts from us anymore. And the middle overs where we just nudge it around at 3-4 an over. Those tactics work well when you have Gilchrist and Hayden getting you off to flyers and then Symonds to keep it going but we don't have either now although White could do the Symonds role but they seem to be 1 in every 5.

Amen brother. The question is who would partner Watson best? I've just slammed M.Clarke's suitability to open above, but at least he's good at picking singles. Brad Haddin when he comes back is more a basher, not a strike rotator - fair enough, but I think we could use him lower down when we already have one basher up top in Watson and especially since Haddin can tonk spinners well. Deep down, I contend the best man to open is R.T.Ponting. Can pick up singles, especially early when he's playing himself it and can pierces gaps regularly for boundaries if Watson isn't firing. It would be like Tendulkar being elevated to open. Gives him the whole innings to play and gets the bowlers first up when they haven't just celebrated a wicket.

My personal preference list for Watson's partner:
a) Ponting - doubt he'll ever move, but I'd love a Watson/Ponting/Clarke top 3.
b) Simon Katich - I think he'd be a great foil for Watto, just like in Test cricket. But...he'll never sniff the ODI team again I'm afraid...
c) Hopes/Warner - Someone who is going to go very hard at the ball and will let Watson be a little more reserved
d) Haddin/Paine
e) Marsh/Hughes/some other 'proper' opener
f) M.Clarke - could do the job, but I think it's a waste

I know one guy that won't be happy with it :p I hope this doesn't mean we play Smith at 8 for the ODI series or the Test one for that matter although I know it'll be a given for Test if Hauritz isn't fit.

Well unfortunately it's Hauritz and Harris who were injured - 2 of our better batting bowlers. I doubt they want a tail of McKay, Bollinger, Tait and Hazlewood with Smith the spinner at #7, so I think Hopes and Smith are going to be 7 & 8 for sure.

But anyway, we are cooked in this series :crying...once Bollinger's bowled his 10 overs, it's really a bunch of hacks for the other 40. Can't see Aussies getting anywhere near winning this series. It would have to take some freaky spin from Smith, some freaky pace from Tait, or about 7 stupid hole out shots to Watson/Hopes/McKay to get any wickets...:noway
 
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sifter132's idea of a Watson/Ponting/Clarke top three sounds pretty good. It would be cool if it was given a go before the 2011 World Cup but it's unlikely the selectors (or Ponting himself) would want Ponting to open.

Team I would play in the 3rd ODI (adjusted for injuries):

1. Watson
2. Ponting
3. Clarke
4. Smith
5. White
6. Hussey
7. Paine
8. Hopes
9. Harris (if he's fit)/Hazlewood
10. S.Tait
11. D.Bollinger

Hope Clarke gets more of a bowl. Playing Paine at 7 could also allow him to play his T20 game and give Australia that acceleration in the last 10 overs of their innings.
 
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