Australian ODI tour of the United Kingdom and Ireland, June-July 2010

[Robelinda]

He's been slow, and is slow again. He is really getting bogged down on off stump, Sehwag just nails those balls behind point or over point for four. Its odd actually, I think we need a left hander up there opening, they can just naturally hit across the line so much better, obviously like Gilly- how much has our whole one day gameplan just changed now he's retired, he was an absolute superstar, even if he was out of form he could slog a few but he very rarely got bogged down inside the first 10 overs. Its like we've gone back in time with the Marsh/Boon combo in the 80's- 30/0 after 10. Paine just isnt a slogger, he's an orthodox batsman just like Watson, not a great combo IMO for fast scoring unless Watson really gets going , but if he doesnt its ugly.

 

[TumTum]

:laugh:laugh

 

[aussie1st]

He's been slow, and is slow again. He is really getting bogged down on off stump, Sehwag just nails those balls behind point or over point for four. Its odd actually, I think we need a left hander up there opening, they can just naturally hit across the line so much better, obviously like Gilly- how much has our whole one day gameplan just changed now he's retired, he was an absolute superstar, even if he was out of form he could slog a few but he very rarely got bogged down inside the first 10 overs. Its like we've gone back in time with the Marsh/Boon combo in the 80's- 30/0 after 10. Paine just isnt a slogger, he's an orthodox batsman just like Watson, not a great combo IMO for fast scoring unless Watson really gets going , but if he doesnt its ugly.

Pretty much bang on, a leftie would be good but really we just need a destructive batter and the only one that fits that bill atm is Warner. Marsh is just like Watson, when he gets in he can be dangerous, he is also a mood player and most of times we have seen him in Aussie colours, he hasn't been in that aggressive mood. In saying that Paine is really starting to go after the bowling which is exactly what he should be doing.

 

[rocky_g]

He's been slow, and is slow again. He is really getting bogged down on off stump, Sehwag just nails those balls behind point or over point for four. Its odd actually, I think we need a left hander up there opening, they can just naturally hit across the line so much better, obviously like Gilly- how much has our whole one day gameplan just changed now he's retired, he was an absolute superstar, even if he was out of form he could slog a few but he very rarely got bogged down inside the first 10 overs. Its like we've gone back in time with the Marsh/Boon combo in the 80's- 30/0 after 10. Paine just isnt a slogger, he's an orthodox batsman just like Watson, not a great combo IMO for fast scoring unless Watson really gets going , but if he doesnt its ugly.

You guys are wasting David Warner. He should be in the ODI squad.

 

[TumTum]

You guys are wasting David Warner. He should be in the ODI squad.

He fails in ODI, can't play his natural game.

 

[Robelinda]

Paine upping the scoring now, FINALLY. Great over. I like Paine, but he needs to adjust fast to international bowling, he should be a really good test number 7.

 

[rocky_g]

He fails in ODI, can't play his natural game.

How many ODI's has he played?

 

[mattfb]

Good work from Paine now. Starting to get on with it and scoring at a decent rate. Really needed this in the first two ODI's but it's not over yet. Our top order batsmen have been getting starts but not going on with it which is extremely annoying.

 

[TumTum]

How many ODI's has he played?

7 matches, average of 15.

 

[ZexyZahid]

This is the first time I've seen Paine play. And he looks pretty good.

Australia are building on a strong and quick opening partnership.

At the ground there was a red stage. I saw people standing and watching to the match. I thought it was outside the cricket ground, till they showed the stage from another camerapoint. I don't understand really why that kind of stage it set there. If I would play to see a match, I rather would sit, then watch standing to a cricket match which will last 7-8 hours. Also the mayor of Manchester was seen there standing, I believe.

 

[Robelinda]

Warner is the future for sure, but we cant afford a pure batsman in the team right now at the top, just no room. Our middle order of 4 who dont bowl needs to change at some point, obviously Punter and Hussey will be the first to go within the next 12 months you'd figure, at the moment the pressure is on the number 7 ( Smith or Hopes etc) and Watson to be tight bowlers. Symonds was our big loss, he was great, and his absence is most underestimated.

Great start now, what we dont need is both guys getting out for 40 odd, and being bogged down by the spinners from 20 to 40 overs. Punter doesnt often get a big score coming in after 15 overs too.

Paine out, crap shot, good straight ball.

 

[ZexyZahid]

Just as I said the above, Paine is out.

 

[mattfb]

Ah TPaine, you needed to go on with your start ffs! Watto needs to get another 50.

 

[Owzat]

Can't believe we keep picking Bresnan. 4-0-34-0 is awful, 8.5 rpo is bad in T20 let alone ODIs. He CAN bat, he CAN bowl, but he's not a very good all-rounder. I just think of Ian Austin when I think of Bresnan, good county pro but not international class

TT Bresnan (ODIs)

Batting

vs SAF/AUS/SRI/WIN* : 278 runs @ 30.89 (HS 80 vs AUS)
vs SCO/IRE/BAN : 20 runs @ 20.00 (HS 14no vs BAN)

Bowling

vs SAF/AUS/SRI/WIN : 13 wkts @ 58.77 (SR 65.92, ER 5.35, BB 2/41 vs AUS)
vs SCO/IRE/BAN : 12 wkts @ 14.25 (SR 19.00, ER 4.50, BB 4/28 vs BAN)

*Bresnan's batting average is bolstered by the 80 against Australia, and 8 of his 18 innings being not outs. 20 is his second highest score.

It was a pretty useful innings of 80, coming in at 101/6 he and Wright put on 107 for the seventh wicket. He scored 80 off 76 balls with 11 fours. BUT to put it into perspective, Australia chased down the 258 target for the loss of ONE wicket and both Watson and Ponting scored hundreds at near enough a run a ball. That aside he's done nothing much with the bat, and his bowling is only effective against minnows, averaging over 40 against the aussies, saffers and lankans - West Indies were a borderline inclusion in the better sides.

To put in some comparison with Ian Austin, he played Kenya once and otherwise played only good Test nations in his nine ODIs, averaging 63.80 against them which is much the same as Bresnan does against the better sides.

Bowling averages against better Test sides : Bresnan 58.77, Austin 63.80
Batting after six innings : Bresnan 74 runs @ 18.50, Austin 34 runs @ 6.80

You'd think the Test countries would invest a bit of time analysing player performances, seems they look at averages overall and are impressed with just their eyes. Funnily enough though cricket is a game with stats/numbers and you can't ignore them because they don't lie.

 

[Robelinda]

Admittedly Clarke has batted well in the second innings of ODIs, but when setting totals (which is when his strike rate issue comes to the fore), since 1 May 2009, Clarke has averaged 31.73.

In 2009, Clarke had the lowest strike rate (69.77) of batsmen who had scored at least 700 runs.

You also raise the issue of dot balls, well, in addition to the above, Clarke had the second highest dot ball percentage, despite the fact he is touted to be a batsman who operates in singles and turns the strike over consistently. You've also got to consider the fact that this dot ball percentage statistic includes opening batsmen who bat in tight field settings at the start of an innings whereas Clarke generally gets to come in during the middle overs when the field is spread and singles are easier to take.

I think this shows that the perception that Clarke faces less dot balls than other batsmen and turns the strike over consistently is flawed.

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Agree 100%. He sure does play a lot dot balls, its just not good enough to only have one gameplan of getting singles and letting someone else hit fours, i'd say Australia havent had someone as useless as that for a very long time indeed, pretty much all of our middle order since the 80's has been full of great stroke players, not guys scared or not good enough to actually take the game to the opposition. I cant think of any instance where this sort of talk has gone on about ANY Aussie batsman in ODI's, we dont breed blockers, so what the hell gives. The only time Clarke is of any use is when chasing down a small total, just like in 20 20, he is pretty useless at being the aggressor, his arsenal of shots just isnt there anymore.