Best batsman today ?

Way too hard to judge. My personal 10 this year in test matches:
Ponting
Sangakara
Chanderpaul
Yousuf
Kallis
Tendulkar
Ganguly
Bell (yes bell, not pietersen)
Younis Khan
Jawardena

Australia havent played many tests of late so Hussey and Hayden miss out. Also Misbah has been in only 2 tours- both in sub-continent.
 
A guy who struggles against spin can never be best batsman in the world,
what are you talking ponting has not played in tests he played against srilanka and looked ordinary against murali at home,
i can't even think what will happen to him in india
He said that Ponting hasn't played many tests, not none. He has played one in January, and 2 recently against Sri Lanka, and he looked fine in them anyway. He got on top of Murali at times too.

are you a female ? why do i have to treat you like my puppy.

WHo cares if i get banned ...

I aint Apologising to anyone.
Sammy, please cease your incessant carrying on and stop acting like a baby. This is a forum and everyone is entitled to their opinion. Do not attack other posters simply because they don't rate Chanderpaul as (one of) the best batsmen in the world.
 
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He can so play spin. He'd probably make runs aswell.

And his only played 3 Tests so far this year, that's hardly any.

Average of 59 in Test Cricket and the only players that come close to his average have strike-rates of about 40 whilst Ponting's is 59. Clearly the best in the business.

His also better'd Tendulkar's ODI batting average now so suck on that.

Do not talk about averages when tendulkar dravid were at there peak there averages were 60+

sachin with 16000 odis ha maintained a average over 44 for all his career not just got there.
and there is no question of comparing ponting with tendulkar he does not belong to the same class and he can,t play spin,hahahahahha now suck on that

He said that Ponting hasn't played many tests, not none. He has played one in January, and 2 recently against Sri Lanka, and he looked fine in them anyway. He got on top of Murali at times too.


Sammy, please cease your incessant carrying on and stop acting like a baby. This is a forum and everyone is entitled to their opinion. Do not attack other posters simply because they don't rate Chanderpaul as (one of) the best batsmen in the world.

Yes he did come down the track and attacked murali,but as he never read's them he was bound to get out
 
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Tendulkar, Kallis and Pointing...

No offence to Chanderpaul he has an incredible player however he does not compare to these three no where near it! Average of 46 and 16 centuries is not world-beating!

Only players in cricket who come close to the top three are Hussey and Sangakkara. Both of whom need a a couple thousand more runs to be considered!

The fact is tendulkar hasn't performed aswell as chanderpaul in the last 3 years, which makes him a better player TODAY!!

Talk about the best batsmen in Test cricket over the last three years, and it's unlikely his name will crop up - Ricky Ponting, Jacques Kallis and Rahul Dravid are more likely to figure in the argument, but the stats tell a different story. With an average of nearly 59, Chanderpaul is fourth in the list - ahead of both Kallis and Dravid - since June 2004.


And don't talk about class when there isn't a batsman in the world who plays perfectly like chanderpaul. Perfect batting, never gets out he is always there at the end.

but why am i even talking to guys who don't go by the facts. Instead they go by who has been making runs over the summer, and choosing their fav players. I don't care about whose style you like more, the fact chanderpaul style puts him above players like kallis etc

Hussey isn't even in the top ten for the last 3 years.
 
Do not talk about averages when tendulkar dravid were at there peak there averages were 60+

sachin with 16000 odis ha maintained a average over 44 for all his career not just got there.
and there is no question of comparing ponting with tendulkar he does not belong to the same class and he can,t play spin,hahahahahha now suck on that
Neither Tendulkar or Dravid reached an average of 60 over a period of games, let alone over it.

Ponting can play spin, Tendulkar just plays it better because his been brought up in India on spinning tracks where his learned to adapt to the pace of bowling. And if Tendulkar's so great at playing spin then why did he get skittled by Michael Vaughan a few years? Comprehensively dismissed. Made Tendulkar look like an idiot slogger. Fancy get bamboolzed by a part-timer.

I bet Ponting finishes his career with better statistics then Tendulkar and allot more runs.

The fact is tendulkar hasn't performed aswell as chanderpaul in the last 3 years, which makes him a better player TODAY!!

Talk about the best batsmen in Test cricket over the last three years, and it's unlikely his name will crop up - Ricky Ponting, Jacques Kallis and Rahul Dravid are more likely to figure in the argument, but the stats tell a different story. With an average of nearly 59, Chanderpaul is fourth in the list - ahead of both Kallis and Dravid - since June 2004.


And don't talk about class when there isn't a batsman in the world who plays perfectly like chanderpaul. Perfect batting, never gets out he is always there at the end.

but why am i even talking to guys who don't go by the facts. Instead they go by who has been making runs over the summer, and choosing their fav players. I don't care about whose style you like more, the fact chanderpaul style puts him above players like kallis etc

Hussey isn't even in the top ten for the last 3 years.
Actually, Chanderpaul doesn't have style. He has one of the ugliest and most unusual techniques I've ever seen. I'm actually supprised his had much success at all with that technique. Looks very vuranable.

He had one good series against an England team who just got thrashed 5-0 in the Ashes, big whoop. Take that away and I bet he averages in the low 40's in the last couple of years. There's a fact for ya!

Ponting's been averaging over 70 in the last 7 years... Beat that!
 
@ sammy

1st: Hussey debuted in 2005 and has averages above 80! Yet he is not in your top 10?

Secondly, I may have misunderstood the question - I thought it was the best batsmen in the world at the moment, as in the best active player. However if it is based on form then = Pointing, Kallis, Sangakarra and Hussey.

In regards to Chanderpaul - he had a great tour of England, amazing! However you may have watched one or two of his innings and began to jump up and down claiming he is a better batsmen than Kallis or Pointing... let alone the 'Little Master'!
May I remind you that he failed to score a single 50 in two test series in a row in 2005-2006! :(
The following season (06-07) was good (774 @ 57) but not in the same category as the 'elite'.
He plays great cricket but I think you are trying to be original and pretend to be a major cricket buff! :rolleyes:
 
I bet Ponting finishes his career with better statistics then Tendulkar and allot more runs.

First of all
Tendulkar >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ponting

As I have mentioned in some earlier post as well, Im no Tendulkar fan but he will anyday be better than Ponting. Averages in cricket does not always show the actual strength of player. When you watch Ponting play you cannot see the class that comes into batting when Tendulkar plays. Ponting plays most of his cricket in conditions where ball comes on bat nicely and you can play shots comfortably and rely more on timing. In sub continent ball dies after 20 overs and batsmen have to make use of all there ability to score runs and also generate power for shots.

Even if Tendulkar retires today from ODIs, Ponting will not be able to touch his stats.
 
Utter crap.

The Tendulkar-Ponting debate will end only when Ponting crosses Tendulakr's records as he will.
And you talk of class-Ponting looks elegant as opposed to Tendulakr while playing.And I believ that Ponting plays in conditions which are harder for him.
 
ahh this is like the posts where people from aus think warnes better thn murali and all aussies think warnes better. people that are from india will think tendulkars better than ponting, and people from aus will and some other countrys will think pontings alot better lol.

you just said - Averages in cricket does not always show the actual strength of player
then later on - Even if Tendulkar retires today from ODIs, Ponting will not be able to touch his stats

anyway my top 7 batsman (couldnt think of any more lol) to watch today would be:
ponting
pietersen - when hes in good form
bell
vaughan - when hes batting well like in the 2nd test match v sri lanka :D
sangakara
chanderpaul
yuvraj singh
 
There are many good batsmen but the best batsmen varies all the time. Right now I would say Sangakarra and before him Kallis. It depends on whose in form. The best today maybe different to tommorows best and so on. To find the best retired batsmen you can look at the stats and compare them more easily but even then its difficult. Does it even matter really? Just enjoy watching the best batters while you can!
 
The fact is tendulkar hasn't performed aswell as chanderpaul in the last 3 years, which makes him a better player TODAY!!

Talk about the best batsmen in Test cricket over the last three years, and it's unlikely his name will crop up - Ricky Ponting, Jacques Kallis and Rahul Dravid are more likely to figure in the argument, but the stats tell a different story. With an average of nearly 59, Chanderpaul is fourth in the list - ahead of both Kallis and Dravid - since June 2004.


And don't talk about class when there isn't a batsman in the world who plays perfectly like chanderpaul. Perfect batting, never gets out he is always there at the end.

but why am i even talking to guys who don't go by the facts. Instead they go by who has been making runs over the summer, and choosing their fav players. I don't care about whose style you like more, the fact chanderpaul style puts him above players like kallis etc

Hussey isn't even in the top ten for the last 3 years.
Ugh.. here we go.

The fact is tendulkar hasn't performed aswell as chanderpaul in the last 3 years, which makes him a better player TODAY!!

Fair enough.. I'll give you that. However, just because Chanderpaul performs better than him does that mean he is a better player? I'll give a personal example now. When I was playing 15 and playing in South Africa in club cricket, in my team there was a guy who representated South Africa at under 16 level. He was there opening batsman and the guy was just absouletly amazing.. really he was. Now I was a pretty good player, and somehow, I managed to have an average of around 70 at the end of the season and his was 67 (granted, he scored about 100 runs more than me). Now, I got the batting award at our presentations, and that guy was about 10 times better than me. See what I mean? However, yeah I'll give you that point.

Talk about the best batsmen in Test cricket over the last three years, and it's unlikely his name will crop up - Ricky Ponting, Jacques Kallis and Rahul Dravid are more likely to figure in the argument, but the stats tell a different story. With an average of nearly 59, Chanderpaul is fourth in the list - ahead of both Kallis and Dravid - since June 2004.

Okay okay...

You say THE STATS TELL A DIFFERENT STORY. Okay... well then why isn't Michael Hussey the player you are mindless jumping on? He averages 89 or something since 2005.. C'mon that kicks the hell out of Chanderpaul. Now, don't get me wrong, I don't think Huss is the best batter in the world, but you know what I mean.

And don't talk about class when there isn't a batsman in the world who plays perfectly like chanderpaul. Perfect batting, never gets out he is always there at the end.

I was getting worried for a second.. but then I read that which makes it clear to me you know very very little about batting techniques and cricket.

Perfect batting? ARE YOU DOWNRIGHT NUTS? The guy has a shocking technique and I HATE watching him. Now, don't let this draw away from the fact he is a pretty good player, but man, c'mon don't try and use that to try and fix the pot holes in your argument, because it is really really silly.

And by the way class and the ability to never get out are completly different things. You wanna start calling Geoff Boycott, Bill Lawry, or pre 2002 Justin Langer classy? No my friend, classy players are your Pontings, Laras, Tendulkars, Bradmans, Chappells, ect.

but why am i even talking to guys who don't go by the facts. Instead they go by who has been making runs over the summer, and choosing their fav players. I don't care about whose style you like more, the fact chanderpaul style puts him above players like kallis etc
This is downright laughable. Shocking statement.

IF YOU WANT TO ACT LIKE A BIG STATS MAN AND GO BY THE STATS WHY AREN'T YOU IN LOVE IS HUSSEY? OR PONTING? OR TENDULKAR? OR YOUSEF? OR SANGAKARRA? They all have better stats than him.

God, I'm just going to make my self even more angry continuing here.

Chanderpaul is a pretty handy player, but by no means is he special. You seem to have just woken up one day and stumbled to the India v England series and just make your statements off that - and by the way, Ponting had a much better series against them than he did ;)
 
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Ponting is definitly top class, one of the best batsmen on the planet, but here are some stats between Tendulkar and Ponting....and deciding who's better....First I'll compare test matches...

TEST MATCH CRICKET:

Ricky Ponting:

Age: 33
Matches: 112
Runs: 9508
Highest Score: 257
Average: 59.42
Strike Rate: 58.89
100's: 33
50's: 38

Sachin Tendulkar:

Age: 34
Matches: 142
Runs: 11,289
Highest Score: 248
Average: 55.06
Strike Rate: 61.24
100's: 37
50's: 47

Pretty outstanding numbers from both batsmen, I'm sure we can all agree to that!
Now then, Tendulkar is one year older than ponting, and has played in 30 more test matches, and 41 more innings times than Ponting, but has 1781 more runs. Their averages differ by 4.36, So Ponting scores about 4 more runs than Tendulkar per test match...Not a great difference by anymeans.
Sachin has 4 more centuries, and 9 more half-centuries, and their higest scores are nearly identical, 257 for ponting, versus 248 for Tendulkar.
Both players have had slow starts to their career, but while Ponting has been on the incline as a batsmen for the last 3-4 years, Tendulkar has been on a very slight decline. As they are only a year apart in age, I am guessing that both will finish their careers around the same time....Tendulkar will probably retire before Ricky.

Their numbers are very similar and at the end of their careers, Ponting will definitly have a better average, but as far as who will score more centuries, have more runs is up in the air...Stats suggest that Ponting will better tendulkar, but due to their age, their retierment will be approaching near the same time, so its hard to tell who will have more runs, and centuries as Tendulkar is still a class act even at this age and will continue to score runs...

Now the intangables that dont have anything to do with stats, yet are very important, and must be considered.....Imagine carrying the entire team on your back for most your international carrer, time in and time out, comming into a huge crisis situation and bailing your team out, playing for a country that if you dont do well all the time, the fans turn on you in a split second. This has been Tendulkar's life ever since he entered international cricket as a 16 year old. Yes folks, 16!! Sachin has had by far, the most pressure on him than any other batsmen in the world. He is loved more than all the batsmen to ever play the game, put together...His entire country not expects, but demands him to score big every time he comes out to bat. He has time in, and time out, come into bat for India when other Indian batsmen are getting destroyed by the opposition...and he has countlessely bailed his country out. Tendulkar also grew up facing bowlers who were far worse then their australian, pakistani, southafrican, english, west indian counterparts, and he playted on flat pitches that sutied the batsmen...Where as Ponting, from a young age has faced exceelent bowling, and has batting on lively bouncy, pacy pitches....Tendulkar used his brilliance and adapted to that, and learnt how to score on these types of pitches, as he had never seen anything like it....he has also done very well versus Australia. He has been on top of every one of his opponents. All This can show you the true class he possesses.

In this aspect, Ponting has not even an iota of the pressure on him that Tendulkar has, he has always had the best team sourrounding him, and the best playes sourrounding him so he can ease into his role.

What I find unbelievable is that with all this pressure on him, Tendulkar has still managed to become one of the best batsmen that ever lived. Just try to imagine folks....I played a high level of american football here in Canada, and I can tell you, that playing under pressure is compltely different than when not....I have failed playing under pressure, and alot of people fail under pressure....Tendulkar on the other hand has played like its not even affected him. He has carried his country on his back, for all his carrer, and has had to perform or fans would be after his head...not only has he done this, he has done it better than any sportsman ever. PERIOD. His character is unmatched.

I can almost guarantee, that even if Ponting had to go through half the circumstances and pressure that Tendulkar had to go through, his numbers would not even be close to what they are right now....We can never know, but as an athelete I know what playing under pressure can do to you....I've seen it through my life.

that my friends is why I regard Tendulkar to be a greater batsmen than Ponting.....

Now to oneday internationals.....

ODI CRICKET

Ricky Ponting:

matches: 288, innings: 279
runs: 10835
Highest score: 164
Average: 44.40
Strike rate: 80.68
100's: 25
50's: 63

Sachin Tendulkar:

matches: 407, innings: 397
runs: 15,962
Highest score: 186
Average: 44.33
Strike rate: 85.50
100's: 41
50's: 87

It's not even close Tendulkar dominates ponting in ever category, and their averages are nearly identical. Tendulkar has over 5000 more runs, he has a better strike rate, 16 more hundreds and, and 24 more 50's. I know Tendulkar has played alot more than Ponting, but if tendular retired today, and ricky played as many matches as him, he still wouldnt have the stats to match, as ricky is 33, and has reached his prime, by the time he would be done, tendulkar would better him in every aspect in ODI's.

Also read the circumstances that i wrote above...they apply to ODI's as well!

My fellow members at planetcricket, this has taken me a long time to write, so please read my post completely and understand it before you decide to bash on my ideologies. I thorughly explained why I believe that Tendulkar has been a better batsmen than Ponting, so i hope to see some facts and ideas on your part to try and convince me otherwise...

I take everything into account when deciding who's better and I've concluded that Tendulkar is a better batsman than Ponting.

Thankyou for your time,

Zreh
 

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