Commonwealth Bank Series Feb-Mar 2011/12

[angryangy]

It might have been spun, but don't think it has to be a big conspiracy. As captain, Dhoni has more than enough power to influence selection. When the captain is not a selector, selectors still depend on the captain to understand the team culture. Right or wrong, if Sehwag is causing conflict, then it would be apparent to the selectors and they would have a prerogative to re-establish some unity.

 

[Atharv]

It seems Sehwag is injured and thats why he is rested from the Asia Cup squad. If thats the case, why the heck is he playing right now in the CB series matches? Is it because of all the controversy that erupted about the rotation policy? And if he is playing, it means he is fit. Then he should go to Bangladesh for the Asia Cup? Where is the friggin' transparency from the Indian selectors and the BCCI?

Now theories will float that Sehwag is the fall-out guy in this Dhoni vs Sehwag battle, and that Dhoni's promixity with his CSK owner cum BCCI president N.Srinivasan has played a hand in Sehwag's ouster to "rest and injury". They are only adding more fuel to the fire.

That is a huge poassibity .

It might have been spun, but don't think it has to be a big conspiracy. As captain, Dhoni has more than enough power to influence selection. When the captain is not a selector, selectors still depend on the captain to understand the team culture. Right or wrong, if Sehwag is causing conflict, then it would be apparent to the selectors and they would have a prerogative to re-establish some unity.

It is Dhoni who seems to be causing friction in the team . There is no reason for players like Raina and Jadeja to be in the team. Rohit sharma and Kohli have played almost the same number of matches but look at the difference in the amount of runs they have scored. Ideally Rahane or Uthappa or Robin Bist should have replaced Rohit Sharma . But guys like Raina , Jadeja , Sharma continue to hold their place in the team at the expense of other players .Guess why ?

Prior to Dhoni , no skipper had "enough power" to dictate the selection.But Dhoni has that power . Guess why ?

 

[angryangy]

Jadeja is there to bat and bowl, however badly he may be doing. Raina might not be performing ideally (still not an argument for keeping Sehwag in the side), but it says a lot that he has been their 4th best batsman. Jadeja is playing an essential and difficult role in a limited overs team, while Raina is often a key fielder and 6th bowler. It's not just a matter of picking the 7 best batsmen and 4 best bowlers, you have to maintain balance in the side and achieve those little things like bowling 50 overs. You can't just say well they should pick another couple of opening batsmen to replace their all-rounder, but not drop Sehwag or Tendulkar who are currently failing at being one of those.

And the more things change, the more they stay the same. Last year it was the same problem only the name was Yusuf Pathan. Yuvraj Singh is India's best one-man answer to ODI cricket and they unfortunately can't use him. Don't hate the player, hate the game.

 

[puddleduck]

Pretty sure 6 months or so ago Jadeja was the second coming on the back of some good performances. Now he's apparently holding back places from other players? Why's it ok for Sehwag to struggle in different conditions, but the spinning all-rounder doesn't get any slack? It's fine for Sachin to not reach 3 figures for what is turning into a while, despite having long since lost his usefulness bowling or fielding?

 

[Atharv]

Jadeja is there to bat and bowl, however badly he may be doing. Raina might not be performing ideally (still not an argument for keeping Sehwag in the side), but it says a lot that he has been their 4th best batsman. Jadeja is playing an essential and difficult role in a limited overs team, while Raina is often a key fielder and 6th bowler. It's not just a matter of picking the 7 best batsmen and 4 best bowlers, you have to maintain balance in the side and achieve those little things like bowling 50 overs. You can't just say well they should pick another couple of opening batsmen to replace their all-rounder, but not drop Sehwag or Tendulkar who are currently failing at being one of those.

And the more things change, the more they stay the same. Last year it was the same problem only the name was Yusuf Pathan. Yuvraj Singh is India's best one-man answer to ODI cricket and they unfortunately can't use him. Don't hate the player, hate the game.

I never hate anybody . Hate is a very strong word .

There are players to replace likes of Raina and Jadeja . Tiwari is as mean a fielder as Raina and is a very good batter . The off spin that Raina bowls is not of the calibre of Prasanna . Even Rahane can bowl off spin and is an exceptional fielder . Irfan Pathan can be the bowling all rounder instead of Jadeja . Players like Raina and Jadeja are decent players who can bat very well on batting friendly pitches . However these guys can be easily replaced by other players, much better players . But instead Dhoni has been messing up with some proven match winners . Dhoni's failure as a captain and his mismanagement of the team is at the core of India's failure in the CB series. Duncan Fletcher's role should also have been scrutinised here .

Sehwag and Gambhir have been "disciplined" but what about Dhoni ?

Seriously, preparing for 2015 is a big joke .

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Sachin has not played odi since 2011 WC win . He hit the form in the second match itself with a 48 and he was promptly rotated out of the team .

Comparing the likes of Raina and Jadeja to Sehwag is well ........
And if Sehwag can be dropped then Raina and Jadeja are more deserving candidates to be dropped.

If Dhoni thinks that Raina and Jadeja with their current technique are ideally suited for 2015 WC then it raises a question mark about Dhoni's captaincy as well.

 

[macintosh]

I think there is no doubt about Dhoni being biased towards a few youngsters, but when it comes to Raina and Rohit, we should keep in mind that Rohit has performed exceptionally well in the previous 2 ODI series he has played, 3 4 bad performances doesn't mean he should be dropped from the team,
Raina has not played any big innings recently, but has been scoring those vital 30 40 runs in difficult situations, even in the last game against SL, he didn't have any time to settle down, but he did well and nobody noticed his performance which was also important considering the fact that we wanted to chase the target in 40 overs. And Raina has not been a complete flop in this series, yes he has struggled a bit but he has been getting starts and is showing some improvement. Raina is a proven match winner and he is worth persisting with.

Jadeja is a big question mark for me, he cannot be a number 7 batsman, if he is in the team, he should either bat higher in the batting order or not be in the playing 11 at all, usually a batsmen will have to score runs at a quick rate batting at number 7, he is not suitable for that role, Jadeja is more of a run accumulator who takes a bit of time to settle down and build his innings, he is not a hard hitter. Yusuf Pathan is a much better option than him. Yusuf, Raina, and Kohli can bowl ten overs between them in Jadeja's absence.

 

[puddleduck]

I really dislike Raina. He has absolutely no temperment, no bottle, and no technique.

 

[Adarsh]

I really dislike Raina. He has absolutely no temperment, no bottle, and no technique.

As a batsman, Raina is one dimensional. But he's very good at that dimension, which is what makes him a dangerous T20/late order ODI player. Unfortunately he's not shown the temperament and skill to adapt to other situations. He's a brilliant fielder, which is the main reason he's in the team. In many ways like Jonty Rhodes, who was a very average batsman but added so much value to the team on the field.

 

[SaiSrini]

Raina needs to be pushed up the order. His value was used very well by Dhoni when Raina plays for CSK. Raina bats at one down for CSK, and most often that not, he scores big runs for CSK. I would play Raina up the order either before or after Kohli and that would be possible only after Sachin's retirement and/or the dropping of Sehwag. Yes, Raina doesnt have the technique to withstand tough conditions, but maybe he can be better utilized at the top rather than the bottom. Ganguly was also similarly poor in technique, but he managed to succeed even in overseas conditions at times and ended up as an ODI legend.

I have a feeling that Sachin's retirement might bring in more stability to our ODI team. Its sad, but Sachin has had it that way. He has made people ask "When are you leaving". I hate it, but its what it is.

 

[puddleduck]

Except despite his limitations as a batsmen, Jonty had temperament (well as much as a Saffer can considering they'll bottle anything important haha), fight, and always seemed like a team player, someone that makes more talented players work harder.

Also, Raina is nowhere near a Jonty in the field.

Ganguly also had fight, something Raina might once have read about.

 

[aussie1st]

Sounds like Clarke will skip this game giving Warner, Christian and Forrest to duke it out for the 2 batting spots. Look forward to seeing Pattinson again too.

 

[Adarsh]

I reckon Suresh Raina would make it into a lot of other international teams in the ODI format.

 

[puddleduck]

Are you honestly trying to tell me that one of the supposedly most talented batsmen to come out of India recently (think about when he first brokethrough, he was lauded as a massive potential in all forms) couldn't have shown a bit of personal desire to succeed in test cricket? Couldn't have worked on his game to be able to have a gameplan when it isn't an absolute road?

He's got a fantastic eye, but it's almost like as international cricket has gotten harder, he's done nothing to adapt or adjust? Just keeps swinging his bat. Is it possible that in a side that didn't usually have a Sachin or Sehwag blading 100's that he may well have struggled for runs if he'd consistently had to show some kind of intelligence to construct an innings. Maybe he'll adapt at some point, but I genuinely think he just gets worse with each series

 

[BKB1991]

How about swapping Jadeja and Rainas positions? That might work..

 

[teamindia]

How about swapping Jadeja and Rainas positions? That might work..

No. Raina is good where he is. Jadeja needs to be out. Jadeja performs only when IPL is around Uttappa is a failure in International cricket and have not heard his name much in domestic cricket as well. I fail to understand some posters desire for Uttapa and Irfan. Irfan is past his prime and is getting old as well. Rahane probably needs to get that chance. As much as I like Tendu, I think he needs to move on and give others an opportunity.