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[whiteninness]

Exactly, my friend. As I said it affects the swing. I never said that it is the only responsible factor - which you said yourself in your previous statement.

If you read the article you will see that clouds and humidity actually have no affect on swing at all.

There definitely are environmental factors that will affect swing, such as the pitch and ground condition that will affect how the ball state decays over time. Clouds are not one of them.

There is likely a placebo affect. Bowlers will feel confident on a cloudy day and batsman may feel a bit timid.

This is also an old myth though, pre-dating lights at cricket grounds. Batsmen probably found it harder on cloudy days because there was less light so it was harder to see.

Physically, there is no effect. The biggest stretch I can make is that clouds can be correlated with rain and dew and this would affect the ground and pitch, and in turn the ball state. This is correlation though, not causation.

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@Whymyballsswing

We might just need to remember the topic of this thread guys. Interesting though it is lets take that discussion to the cricket discussion thread if you wish to continue it. Cheers.

I'm actually very curious to see the BigAnt comment on this and whether or not cloudy = more swing is included in the game.

To be honest, I wouldn't care (I said this in an earlier post on the topic). Most cricket fans believe the myth so it will make the game more "realistic" for them.

 

[Dutch]

I will give you a chance to copy this if you wish and paste it elsewhere otherwise it is going to be deleted in about 30 seconds......

 

[vaibhavtewatia]

WOW!!! Thats even more embarrassing than my stats in the game, i.e. getting out to a 110kms/hr delivery

Embarrassing? Chris Martin would so proud to see that!

 

[barmyarmy]

Hold off. Would be interesting to get an answer from Big Ant on what causes swing in the game.

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Most cricket fans believe the myth so it will make the game more "realistic" for them.

I saw the research you referred to when it came out but doesn't take away from the fact that in the Ashes this summer the ball has swung far more when it's overcast than sunny. Might be confirmation bias but I'm not convinced.

 

[mikeymerren]

I take it that in game us Brits can get this speed in proper MPH and also get the scorecard the correct way round as god intended.

of course.

 

[sami ullah khan]

^There was an interesting question earlier regarding the fastest speed of the ball. Can a player in your game break the Record of Shoaib Akhter? Is there any such potential?

 

[whiteninness]

I will give you a chance to copy this if you wish and paste it elsewhere otherwise it is going to be deleted in about 30 seconds......

Ehh, it's a legitimate discussion about cricket physics that I would like to know if it exists in the game (even if it doesn't in real life).

If you think that's worth of being deleted then go ahead.

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Hold off. Would be interesting to get an answer from Big Ant on what causes swing in the game.

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I saw the research you referred to when it came out but doesn't take away from the fact that in the Ashes this summer the ball has swung far more when it's overcast than sunny. Might be confirmation bias but I'm not convinced.

Just a standard case of people being more convinced by uncontrolled, anecdotal evidence rather than peer-reviewed science.

 

[angad]

^There was an interesting question earlier regarding the fastest speed of the ball. Can a player in your game break the Record of Shoaib Akhter? Is there any such potential?

Yeah....whats the fastest speed we can bowl at in the game

 

[Dutch]

Ehh, it's a legitimate discussion about cricket physics that I would like to know if it exists in the game (even if it doesn't in real life).

If you think that's worth of being deleted then go ahead.

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Just a standard case of people being more convinced by uncontrolled, anecdotal evidence rather than peer-reviewed science.

I am not doubting whether it is an interesting discussion or not or a valid line of thought. However if it is going to turn into a discussion about whether the report is true or not and what makes a cricket ball swing then that doesnt belong here.

If the question is how will the swinging ball be influenced or not in this game then that is a valid question.

As far as I can read that question was not asked or was very well hidden.

Anyway perhaps the question can be asked: what factors cause the ball to swing in this game and how will conditions have an effect.

 

[Bracks]

Not a case of denying it, it has been proven to have no physical effect. Maybe a placebo, maybe some correlations, but no direct effect.

Feel free to have a read: NASA proves the theory behind the swing of a cricket ball - Criclounge.com

Thanks for posting, great read. Unfortunately it will probably take a while for this line of thinking to catch on in cricket circles and as such I think we'll see cloud = swing in this game.

All the criticism for the video was a bit harsh. That runup looked superb...

 

[sami ullah khan]

And of course we are talking about conventional swing. Spin is a lot easier as wear and tear of pitch and age of ball combined with skill of the bowler will determine the amount of spin but conventional swing is a different ball game altogether. I guess new ball will swing (as it should) in most conditions but it will be interesting to see what other aspects in addition to age of the ball and skill of the bowlers, will come into play for swing and seam factor.

 

[whiteninness]

Thanks for posting, great read. Unfortunately it will probably take a while for this line of thinking to catch on in cricket circles and as such I think we'll see cloud = swing in this game.

All the criticism for the video was a bit harsh. That runup looked superb...

I'm pretty sure old games as far back as Cricket 2004 had cloud = swing, or at least it said so in the manual (not sure if that really translated into the game). Actually in that game only medium pacers could really swing the ball. That was the same in the much-heralded BLIC 2005.

 

[angad]

Sorry to nitpick but how come ball swung away when the seam was pointing towards fine leg? It is supposed to swing further down the leg. Unless it was reverse swing. But it was the second ball of the innings so reverse swing is impossible.

I have to disagree with you on that.....remember it's a left handed bowler bowling from around the wicket, so if you look carefully the ball is actually pointing towards the slips. Also, you can see the left side of the ball more than the right, now had the ball was bowled pointing towards the fineleg the right side of the ball would be more visible than the left.

After noticing this I actually realised how good the swing looked in that video....it was just like real life where you don't notice the swing much till saw the hawk eye showing the deviation. This game is really living upto it's promise.

Ross can you please show the deviation as well when viewing hawkeye.....maybe in dlc

 

[Gamer Pradosh]

That's actually right Angad.... The seam position was awesome and it absolutely deviates the same way as in reality so would love bowling in this game...

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Ross can you please show the deviation as well when viewing hawkeye.....maybe in dlc

I think this is important in the game to know the degree of deviation we get off different pitches so can plan on when to bring Pace and spinners in the game...

 

[arkac]

Long time reader, first time poster.

Thought I'd pop in to say this looks amazing Ross!