DRAFT! Ashes history...

Who's drafted the best Ashes team?


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A legend from the early days of cricket and a modern batting stalwart:
Tom Richardson and Jonathan Trott, write ups will be done later but the team is looking like this:

1. J Hobbs
2. A Cook
3. J Trott
4. DI Gower
5.
6.
7. A Stewart
8. R Benaud (C)
9. F Tyson
10. F Spofforth
11. T Richardson
 
Hey Sifter , are you jealoused ? :spy

No! :D


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I was massively tempted to pick another older legend here, but I've got a distinct lack of modern players in the XI thus far (Ken Barrington being the most modern!), so I've decided to honour some modern players this time.

Dean Jones

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Ashes stats:
Tests: 17
Runs: 1320
Average: 50.76
High Score: 184
Best Series: Probably 1989 - he scored more runs (566 runs @ 70.75 with 2 100s), but in 86/87 he was the leading run scorer with 511 runs @ 56.77 so it's close.

Only 8 batsmen have scored 500 runs in an Ashes series twice, and 7 of them have already been picked. The 8th man is Dean Jones, and to be honest I wouldn't have guessed that before I found the list. I'm glad it's him though, I thought he was a great player to watch :)

Dean Jones was an energetic right handed middle order batsman for Australia in the late 80s and early 90s. Better known for his excellent ODI performances, which is a shame because he was quite a good Test player as well.

His best Ashes innings was probably his 184* at Sydney in 86/87. Australia only scored 343, Deano still not out at the end after coming in at 1/8 and seeing everyone else fail. Border's 34 was the next best score. The two hundreds he made in 1989 were more attacking innings, his 100 at The Oval for instance coming in just 119 balls.

Those innings showed that Jones was a versatile player too who could attack or defend, and could bat almost anywhere in the order - in 86/87 he mostly at #3, in 1989 he was at #5. He'll at at 5 or 6 for me I'd say.

Good athlete in the field and had a powerful throw. His running between the wickets was also fantastic, really ran hard and knew exactly how long it took him to go 20 yards so he could push fieldsmen.


Bruce Reid

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Ashes stats:
Tests: 9
Wickets: 47
Average: 20.4
Best Bowling: 7/51 at Melbourne, 1990/91
Best Series: 1990/91 - Reid was the leading wicket taker for the series, taking 27 wickets @ 16.00 as Australia retained the Ashes.

Tall (6'8") and skinny, Bruce Reid had an abbreviated career because of back issues. I guess it was just never strong enough to keep him fit. Reid's last Test was at a mere 29 years of age. He never made an England tour for example, the only England tour during his shortened Test career was 1989 and he was unavailable because of his back.

His back troubles were very saddening to Aussie fans because Reid was a talented guy: his height meant he got good bounce; he had the ability to swing the ball back into the right handers; and he was accurate, always at the batsman - unlike Australia's modern left armers...**cough Johnson and Starc *cough*cough* Reid wasn't a FAST bowler, but his pace was good enough to keep batsmen pinned to their crease. That and the threat of extra bounce.

Australian coach Bob Simpson said this of Bruce Reid:
"My biggest 'if only' is Bruce Reid. If he had stayed fit, there is no doubt at all that Australia would have been recognised as world champions two or three years before we were able to claim that position, simply because he was a great bowler, one of the finest bowlers I have ever seen."

Reid's best Ashes moment was definitely at the MCG in 1990/91 where he took 6/97 in the first, and 7/51 in the second to give him 13/148 for the match. Most of the wickets were caught by keeper or slips, just because the threat of his inswing made the English batsmen unsure of the line to play. The angle would then find the edge.

An awful batsman!


1 Archie Jackson :bat: (350 runs @ 58.33)
2 Wilfred Rhodes :ar: (1706 runs @ 31.01 & 109 wkts @ 24.00)
3 Sir Donald Bradman :bat::c: (5028 runs @ 89.78)
4 Ken Barrington :bat: (2111 runs @ 63.96)
5 Dean Jones :bat: (1320 runs @ 50.76)
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7 Monty Noble :ar: (1905 runs @ 30.72 & 115 wkts @ 24.86)
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9 Jim Laker :bwl: (79 wkts @ 18.27)
10 Sir Alec Bedser :bwl: (104 wkts @ 27.49)
11 Bruce Reid :bwl: (47 wkts @ 20.40)

Still not entirely sure where Noble and Rhodes will bat :p but I've got my 5 bowlers now - 2 pace, 2 spin and Noble's fast medium swervers. Just need a keeper and another batsman probably.
 
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:aus: Sid Barnes
For some reason, Sid Barnes is rather a forgotten man. Despite his Test average of 63 in Tests and 70 in the Ashes, it has taken until this final round for him to be picked. He must be overshadowed by his bowling namesake, but Australia's Sid Barnes left a greater Ashes legacy. Usually an opener, he bats at four in my team because I believe he has the quality to adjust, and because that is historically where the best batsman bats. His greatest hand was in the partnership with Don Bradman against Hammond's England in '46-7. However, if England's Barnes was an awkward character, he was nothing to Australia's Barnes. He should get on well with Grace.
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:aus: Stuart Clark
The man labelled as Glenn McGrath, Mk. II, Stuart Clark was kept out of the side for a long time because he was too similar to Glenn McGrath, but when he finally got his chance (in tragic circumstances) he immediately made himself undroppable. His late movement meant that when they played together, Clark was arguably the more effective, as is borne out by his Ashes bowling average of just 20.63. He wasn't the type to destroy an entire England side, but his three and four wicket hauls, on a regular basis, will provide the perfect consistent foil to the explosive Thomson, hostile Flintoff, and slingy Jones.
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Comments on that side?
 
Colin McDonald & Godfrey Evans....


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McDonald's Ashes record

Cricinfo opening summary of him describes McDonald best: "In the days before helmets and body armour became de rigeur, Colin McDonald was Australia's unflinching bulwark against the likes of Trueman, Statham, Adcock, Heine and Hall."

Due to this i've always found McDonald to be an interesting opener among the long list of very talented openers AUS have been blessed with in tests history.

When Jim Laker was spinning webs around AUS @ Old Trafford 1956, McDonald was the only one that got a half century in either innings.

Arguably his best series game during the 1958 Ashes when he scored two centuries, including his test best of 170.

Which is why its unfortunate so not so dynamic early days tour to India/Pakistan prevented him from having a 40+ & being truly remembered as one of the better AUS openers.


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England's ever present keeper during the only time they were kings of test cricket from 1951-1958 & dominated the Ashes during that famous decade.

While ENG would produce another great gloves-man in Alan Knott some years later, Godfrey Evans would still be right up their in the debate as to who was the greatest pure gloves man in cricket history. I would think even in modern times when keepers have to bat at a certain level, his unique keeping ability might even make a few teams try to set up their XI's in a way that they could accommodate him.

So my final XI looks like this:

Michael Slater
Colin McDonald
Charles Macartney
Neil Harvey
Denis Compton
Trevor Bailey
Jack Gregory
Alan Davidson
Godfrey Evans
Johnny Wardle
John Snow
 
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Tom Richardson
Matches: 14 Wickets: 88 BBI: 8/94 BBM: 13/244 Avg: 25.22 Econ: 2.96 SR: 51.1 5W: 11 10W: 4

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Tom Richardson seems to be one of the most underrated bowlers of the pre-war era, especially considering I've been able to pick him in the penultimate round. It's a good thing as he will fit in with my already formidable pace attack. He managed four 10 wicket hauls in just 14 matches, starting and ending his career with those impressive feats. His prime was short lived but when he was at his best, he was compared by Wisden at the time with the likes of Freeman, Jackson and Lockwood.

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Along with his exceptional bowling average he was also very economical, he can be used as both an attacking, wicket taking option or a bowler to tie up an end. It's sad that Tom Richardson died so young and that the end of his career was marred by weight gain, but primed and ready, there were few bowlers in the early history of the game with his quality.


Jonathan Trott
Matches: 11 Runs: 839 HS: 168* Avg: 52.43 SR: 52.01 100s: 3 50s: 2

Jonathan Trott is one of the best English batsmen (by way of SA) of the modern era and he has consistently upped his game in the Ashes. He isn't as fluid as KP or as elegant as Ian Bell but God damn is he the most bloody minded cricketer I've seen since Steve Waugh. What Trott does isn't always elegant, it is rarely eye catching and his stroke play isn't always varied but 9/10 times, he is the one you rely on to rebuild an early innings, to not get himself out after a 50 and to score centuries.


His 135 at Brisbane is a great innings, showing Trott at his best, there was the scratchy, drawn out arrival at the crease, the defensive mindset sprinkled with the odd boundary and the odd, brilliant times drive. It's still my favourite Trott innings.

This is the perfect batsman to build a batting line up around and it's exactly what I'm doing with mine, there is the abundant stroke play of Gower and the consistent run getting of Cook married with the immense greatness of Hobbs.

If there was any batsman in world cricket who I could rely on frustrating the opposition bowlers and breaking their will, it's this man.

1. J Hobbs (Eng)
2. A Cook (Eng)
3. J Trott (Eng)
4. DI Gower (Eng)
5.
6.
7. A Stewart WK (Eng)
8. R Benaud (C) (Aus)
9. F Tyson (Eng)
10. F Spofforth (Aus)
11. T Richardson (Eng)

I know there are a lot of Englishmen but it's not because of any anti-Aussie bias lol it's just that a lot of the Aus players that I had in mind were picked but I think one of my next two will be an Aussie.

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:aus: Sid Barnes
For some reason, Sid Barnes is rather a forgotten man. Despite his Test average of 63 in Tests and 70 in the Ashes, it has taken until this final round for him to be picked. He must be overshadowed by his bowling namesake, but Australia's Sid Barnes left a greater Ashes legacy. Usually an opener, he bats at four in my team because I believe he has the quality to adjust, and because that is historically where the best batsman bats. His greatest hand was in the partnership with Don Bradman against Hammond's England in '46-7. However, if England's Barnes was an awkward character, he was nothing to Australia's Barnes. He should get on well with Grace.
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:aus: Stuart Clark
The man labelled as Glenn McGrath, Mk. II, Stuart Clark was kept out of the side for a long time because he was too similar to Glenn McGrath, but when he finally got his chance (in tragic circumstances) he immediately made himself undroppable. His late movement meant that when they played together, Clark was arguably the more effective, as is borne out by his Ashes bowling average of just 20.63. He wasn't the type to destroy an entire England side, but his three and four wicket hauls, on a regular basis, will provide the perfect consistent foil to the explosive Thomson, hostile Flintoff, and slingy Jones.
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Comments on that side?

That's a good side, the bowling isn't the best I've seen but you have a good batting line up and a very, very capable allrounder in Freddy!

You've actually taken a couple of names I was thinking of, obviously Freddy, McCabe, Barnes.

Colin McDonald & Godfrey Evans....so i got 6 write ups to do, ha Sifter my friend i will do it.

So my final XI looks like this:

Michael Slater
Colin McDonald
Charles Macartney
Neil Harvey
Denis Compton
Trevor Bailey
Jack Gregory
Alan Davidson
Godfrey Evans
Johnny Wardle
John Snow

mm if you don't mind me saying but it's lacking a few of the big names the others have but I think you were the one who said you didn't want to pick the more obvious players. So it's good to see a more "left field" team. I like the selections.
 
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Craig McDermott & Bobby Peel
 
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Happy to admit I wouldn't have picked some of the players you picked :p but I particularly like the variety in the pace attack: consistency of Stuart Clark, raw pace of Thomson, skiddy reverse swing of Simon Jones and the bounce and aggression of Flintoff. And I loved your note about Barnes probably getting on with Grace, good to have some egos in the team :lol

Colin McDonald & Godfrey Evans....so i got 6 write ups to do, ha Sifter my friend i will do it.

This is good :lol A few people are at least 1 or 2 players behind...I've made it a bit harder by picking 2 players at once. Looking forward to your insights on your players ;) Looking at that team, I quite like the mix of players you've got, despite having no 'superstar'. Good balance of bowlers, plenty of attacking batsmen.
 
ok i've scanned through the lists twice now and im surprised neither of my next picks have been taken. it is shocking but good for me lol

Victor Trumper and Warwick Armstrong
 
Dag nabbit! I was looking to have Peel in my side. Will now have to look for other spinners with decent records.

Please no! :noway
 
:eng: Jack Russel

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Ashes Statistics: Matches: 6. Runs: 474. Average: 52.66. Centuries: 3. Highest Ashes score: 135*

Jack Russel fills up my 2nd openers slot. He made his debut in the 1920/21 ashes series. He ended up scoring 258 runs from 4 matches in the series at an average of 36.85. He scored a brilliant 135 runs in the 3rd test at Adelaide Oval. Russel also scored an half century in the second innings of the match. He scored another two century in the summer ashes of 1921 in Machester and and The Oval. Russel scored 101 runs in the fourth test at Manchester and 102 at the Oval. He also scored a century in the last test against South Africa.


:eng: James Anderson

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Ashes Statistics: Matches: 18*. Wickets: 63. Best bowling figures: 5/73. Bowling average: 35.41. Five wicket hauls: 3

Very recently, the bowling coach of England David Saker has hailed Anderson as "the most skilful bowler in the world". On a pitch which has help for fast bowlers, he can be extremely dangerous with his skill of swing bowling. He has the ability to bowl both in swingers and out swingers with great control now. That is the reason he has been England's main bowler in the recent times. He made his ashes debut in 2006/07 ashes series in the first test at Brisbane. However, he did not had the best of time int hat series and he was dropped after 3 matches with only 5 wickets. Anderson took 12 wickets in 5 matches in 2009 ashes series at an average of 45.16. The turning point in Anderson's career came in 2010/11 ashes series. Untill this series, he was not rated very highly on pitches that were not helpful for bowlers. Nonetheless he proved his critics wrong and ended up as the highest wicket taker in this series. He got 24 wickets in the series with an average of 26.04. This was the best ashes series of his career so far. In recently concluded ashes series, he ended up with 22 wickets with an average of 29. Even though he looked off colour in couple of tests, he still remains one of the best current bowler around the globe.

So this is my final line-up: The Nasty 11

(1) Justin Langer :bat: (1658 runs @ 50.24)
(2) Jack Russel :bat: (474 runs @ 52.66)
(3) Mark Waugh :bat: (2204 runs @ 50.09)
(4) Kevin Pietersen :bat: (1752 runs @ 48.66)
(5) Greg Chappel :bat: (2154 runs @ 43.95)
(6) Ian Botham :ar: (1673 runs @29.35 & 148 wickets @ 27.65)
(7) Les Ames :wkb: (675 runs @ 27)
(8) Shane Warne :bwl: :c: (195 wickets @ 23.25)
(9) Ryan Harris :bwl: (32 wickets @ 22.09)
(10) Harold Larwood :bwl: (64 wickets @ 29.87)
(11) James Anderson :bwl: (63 wickets @ 35.41)
 
Bill Woodfull, Australia's star of the bodyline series and Peter May, the hero of a of a generation of schoolboys and a heroic figure to his contemporaries.

With that, my team is complete. I have given the nod to the specialists and hence we see Woodfull (middle order batsman) in the side and not an other certain Australian top order batsmen from the yesteryears who was as great as anyone. 4 excellent bowlers, a swift keeper batsman, some excellent batsmen. My team doesn't look that bad after all.

Arthur Morris
John Edrich
Maurice Leyland
Wally Hammond (c)
Peter May
Bill Woodfull
Ian Healy (wk)
Johnny Briggs
Rodney Hogg
Glenn McGrath
Terry Alderman
 
1. J Hobbs (Eng)
2. A Cook (Eng)
3. J Trott (Eng)
4. DI Gower (Eng)
5. V Trumper (Aus)
6. W Armstrong (Aus)
7. A Stewart WK (Eng)
8. R Benaud (C) (Aus)
9. F Tyson (Eng)
10. F Spofforth (Aus)
11. T Richardson (Eng)

Here's my completed team, I still have 2 write ups to do. Should be up in the next day or so. :)
 
Bill Woodfull, Australia's star of the bodyline series and Peter May, the hero of a of a generation of schoolboys and a heroic figure to his contemporaries.

With that, my team is complete. I have given the nod to the specialists and hence we see Woodfull (middle order batsman) in the side and not an other certain Australian top order batsmen from the yesteryears who was as great as anyone. 4 excellent bowlers, a swift keeper batsman, some excellent batsmen. My team doesn't look that bad after all.

Woodfull was an opener! I think he played a couple of times in the middle, but was definitely known for his opening. Edrich played a bit at #3 I think so you could shift Leyland down to 6, and have Edrich-Hammond-May in the middle.

Really like that team though :thumbs Hogg, Alderman and McGrath are a trio that complement each other's skills nicely, and the batsmen are all good players. Hammond can bowl useful overs as your 5th bowler. Peter May is a great pick. He might be my captain - he's one of England's most underappreciated players I feel. Stylish batsman and successful captain.

Who is your great Aussie batsman that we've all missed? Is it a guy who played around 1900, left handed, South Australian? Not that it matters too much about keeping him a secret, I think I'm the only one that's going to be picking a batsman from now on :p

ok i've scanned through the lists twice now and im surprised neither of my next picks have been taken. it is shocking but good for me lol

Victor Trumper and Warwick Armstrong

Couple of bargains :clap Almost picked Trumper instead of Bruce Reid. He has a massive reputation, deserved to be taken earlier... And in Warwick Armstrong you've not only bagged an underrated all-rounder, but perhaps the most successful Ashes captain - never lost a Test in charge and won 8 of his 10 Tests in charge.
 

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