England in India - Oct to Jan 2012/13

[War]

The #7 doesn't need to be making 100s, if he does need to then the problems lie deeper than who is batting there as he'd be in way too early (even off 70 balls he'd still need to be in by about over 30)

Swann is capable of lusty blows, making 50s and also digging in if necessary. He bats well with the lower order, and with whoever might be left of the top order, and scores at a decent rate. I don't know what you are expecting from a #7, an ODI #7 is not the same as in Tests by any stretch.

Why keep digging around for this "perfect #7" when we've not found one before and someone like Swann is capable of scoring the volume of runs at the speed necessary for the role.................?!?!?!? What we don't need is someone who mostly makes 5-15 runs and gets out, what we need is someone who can mostly make 20s and 30s. Having someone much better bat than that down the order is a waste and unlikely to come with the necessary bowling ability.

No i don't want the # 7 to be making hundreds, if my memory is correct a # 7 has never scored a hundred in ODI history. Nor do i want the perfect # 7 since i know since Flintoff has retired no such all rounder exists in the english game currently.

But Swann is not a odi # 7 really. Swann's batting is of similar ilk to that of Warne or Vaas. If the score is 100/5 i won't be too comfortable with Swann coming in @ # 7 for England, since i don't believe he has to ability to play a long proper innings if he were to come in in such a precarious position.

Great ODI teams # 7 is a person who is either a complete all-rounder, batsman or batting all-rounder. AUS in 2003 & 2007 world cups had Symonds & Watson @ # 7. South Africa with their plethora of good all-rounders over the years have had guys like klusener, boucher, pollock, morkel etc in that position. Pakistan in the 90s had razzaq, mahmood, moin khan. N Zealand tended to have chris cairns, oram, chris harris. West Indies of late rotate between Bravo, Russell, Sammy in that role. Good SRI odi teams that have gotten to a few tournament finals have had guys like Matthews, Chandana or a batsman @ 7. While India since that famous 2002 natwes final win vs england, always tend to have a pure batsman @ # 7 given they never have a good all-rounder.

Personally i think Trego gives england potentially the best of both worlds as a decent # 7. He is a solid enough batsman unlike bopara, stokes, patel, wright whose are batsmen & part-time bowlers. While his bowling is also solid enough to be 4th bowler, unlike bresnan, broad, swann who are tired/could be tried @ # 7 that are essentially bowlers who can bat a bit, especially bresnan who always looks a position too high @ 7.

Chris Woakes could be solid # 7 in due course, but he still is a bit raw on the edges in both facets at international level for me. Trego is a bit more complete, which is why i would go for him.

 

[Haarithan]

England don't really have a 'best playing xi' unless they can find an allrounder who's half as good as Big Freddie. Sad but true.

My ODI XI for the tour of New Zealand (numbers in brackets depicting our bowling options)

1. Cook
2. Wright (6)
3. Pietersen
4. Root (5)
5. Morgan
6. Prior
7. Buttler
8. Swann (4)
9. Broad (3)
10. Anderson (1)
11. Finn (2)

Backup: Tredwell, Meaker, Bresnan, Trott, Bell

Might as well give Luke Wright another crack at the national setup considering he has enough domestic experience at NZL.

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Get Prior and his beard back in.

Had that odd thought myself ha

 

[sifter132]

No i don't want the # 7 to be making hundreds, if my memory is correct a # 7 has never scored a hundred in ODI history.

I remembered Dhoni had made one at #7, and Shaun Pollock made a great one for African XI, but there's actually been 9 100s from #7 I discover
Records | One-Day Internationals | Batting records | Most runs in an innings (by batting position) | ESPN Cricinfo

MS Dhoni 139* 97 15 5 143.29 Asia XI v Africa XI Chennai 10 Jun 2007 ODI # 2589
SM Pollock 130 110 19 1 118.18 Africa XI v Asia XI Bangalore 6 Jun 2007 ODI # 2587
MS Dhoni 113* 125 7 3 90.40 India v Pakistan Chennai 30 Dec 2012 ODI # 3314
M Kaif 111* 112 8 1 99.10 India v Zimbabwe Colombo (RPS) 14 Sep 2002 ODI # 1876
TM Odoyo 111* 113 11 0 98.23 Kenya v Canada Nairobi (Gym) 18 Oct 2007 ODI # 2634
Abdul Razzaq 109* 72 7 10 151.38 Pakistan v South Africa Abu Dhabi 31 Oct 2010 ODI # 3063
YK Pathan 105 70 8 8 150.00 India v South Africa Centurion 23 Jan 2011 ODI # 3087
JM Kemp 100* 89 6 7 112.35 South Africa v India Cape Town 26 Nov 2006 ODI # 2449
HP Tillakaratne 100 106 4 1 94.33 Sri Lanka v West Indies Sharjah 16 Oct 1995 ODI # 1010

 

[MUFC1987]

And people say we really don't need Trott in the ODI team?

 

[War]

I remembered Dhoni had made one at #7, and Shaun Pollock made a great one for African XI, but there's actually been 9 100s from #7 I discover
Records | One-Day Internationals | Batting records | Most runs in an innings (by batting position) | ESPN Cricinfo

Ye that's a lot, i recall a few of those innings but of the head initially i thought a few of them were made coming in @ # 6 instead of 7.

 

[ste_mc_efc]

ha justin kemp in there.

bad time to be south african for him. with those FC stats he's probably have 30 tests minimum for any country without kallis

 

[Gurjot95]

LOL, didn't realized India is now a No. 1 in ODI rankings.

 

[puddleduck]

How is Dernbach still playing international cricket?!? I could bowl 10 different slower balls an over and get spanked every game if they're that desperate. There's just no way someone can get into an international team just because once every 5 games they manage to keep it tight at the death... He's without doubt the worst international bowler I've had the misfortune of watching for a long time. Granted the batting hasn't exactly been firing, but it's not even my own rational hated of his abilities, he is I believe statistically now the least economical ODI bowler in history (who has played over a certain number of games).

 

[ste_mc_efc]

out of anyone who has delivered a thousand balls i think it is.

Although I'd drop him just for being called Jade.

 

[ricky87]

LOL, didn't realized India is now a No. 1 in ODI rankings.

Does not matter since we are the World Champions.

 

[cerande]

Does not matter since we are the World Champions.

Seriously? Given the problems Indian cricket is facing right now,this is actually the time to be humble,very humble.

 

[Aalay]

That still does not change the fact that we have won the 2011 WC.

Board move: Net gain for young bowlers - The Times of India

The BCCI, however, has taken a step towards correcting the direction by asking some raw bowling talent to be part of the nets session of Team India.

Vidarbha pacer Shrikant Wagh, Madhya Pradesh fast bowler Ishwar Pandey, Gujarat left-arm spinner Rakesh Dhruv and Jammu & Kashmir off-spinner Parveez Rasool have been called to bowl in the nets before the fourth India-England ODI at Mohali.

Good move by both selectors and BCCI.

 

[SaiSrini]

Seriously? Given the problems Indian cricket is facing right now,this is actually the time to be humble,very humble.

Its always better to be humble, actually!

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That still does not change the fact that we have won the 2011 WC.

Board move: Net gain for young bowlers - The Times of India

Good move by both selectors and BCCI.

Interesting and decent move! Some of these bowlers can catch the eye of the team management or the captain or the senior players, and seriously place themselves with a chance to make it to the squad.

 

[Aalay]

England don't really have a 'best playing xi' unless they can find an allrounder who's half as good as Big Freddie. Sad but true.

My ODI XI for the tour of New Zealand (numbers in brackets depicting our bowling options)

1. Cook
2. Wright (6)
3. Pietersen
4. Root (5)
5. Morgan
6. Prior
7. Buttler
8. Swann (4)
9. Broad (3)
10. Anderson (1)
11. Finn (2)

Backup: Tredwell, Meaker, Bresnan, Trott, Bell

Might as well give Luke Wright another crack at the national setup considering he has enough domestic experience at NZL.

No Bell? He has been fantastic for England since his recall in ODI and I would never drop him with his current form. If you are playing Root, send him at no 3. If 2 openers gets out cheaply, he can build the innings.

I think Bresnan and Morgan has been horrible from quite some time now. I would think about picking Butler instead of Morgan and Meaker instead of Bresnan. Dernbach has also looked out of color so far, so I would give another go to Chris Woakes. Woakes bowled well in the 2nd ODI but got hammered in the end. However, his first spell was really good so they should try him again. I also like Tradewell, he looks very accurate and I would definitely pick him over Swann in ODI and T20

P.S. What about Trott?

Cook
Bell
Root/Trott
KP
Wright/Morgan
Butler
Prior
Broad
Tradewell
Meaker/ Woakes
Anderson

 

[War]

My ODI XI for the tour of New Zealand (numbers in brackets depicting our bowling options)

1. Cook
2. Wright (6)
3. Pietersen
4. Root (5)
5. Morgan
6. Prior
7. Buttler
8. Swann (4)
9. Broad (3)
10. Anderson (1)
11. Finn (2)

Backup: Tredwell, Meaker, Bresnan, Trott, Bell

Might as well give Luke Wright another crack at the national setup considering he has enough domestic experience at NZL.

Don't think the Cook/Bell opening combo has done bad to be changed to be fair. Of course it can be more consistent, but if we were to change it, then alex hales should get the step up instead of wright really.

Wright would be fine as t20 opener on occasions, but i won't risk him in that role in odi's - he is way too lose. For reasons already stated, Trego would be a better all-rounder option in the odi set-up than Wright IMO as things stand.

Root is ok, hasn't looked out of his depth in odi's to date - but when bairstow, trott come back i probably don't see a place for him in the squad.