England in India

[ronny_kingsley]

VRV Singh was quick and that was the only positive I saw with him.
He`ll be quit a handul on bnouncy or quick tracks.
I noticed that he bowls consistently around 140-145kph and can easily reach 148 qith a bit of work.

He`ll have to improve his economy rate though.

Noway was he quick and he touched 140's just thrice. He was in the mid 130's and his average speed was 134 only.

Indian cap nowadays seems too easy to get seeing these guys.

FC OD
Raina 23 - 19
VRV 08 - 13
Sreesanth 25 - 15
Chawla 09 - 05
RP 13 - 17
Uttahpa 20 - 22

Many of these guys have done well ,agreed,but why differnt yarstick for different players. Guys like Powar,Rao,Munaf had to grind through but these guys got thier oppurtnities quite easily.How would the selctors know thier potential so soon ?????

 

[puddleduck]

Call me biased if u want cos im a sikh but I think Panesar deserves a place in the ODI team...

He is england's best spinner and can actually turn the ball , his batting isnt that bad and his fielding can only improve by exposure to a very fast paced game that is One Day Cricket.

What do you think

Manee

Let him learn in Domestic Cricket for a while He has only had 8 Championship games in his career, following that was 3 tests in India. He still has a lot to learn, but definately has potential.

His batting was better than expected in that he was able to stick a bat in the way in the tests and just last, but he will never get you runs in a Odi, and his fielding is pretty sloppy, quite slow in the field.

 

[ZoraxDoom]

VRV was poor. Utthappa was good though. And Sreesanth deserved 6 wickets, I mean, he has had batsmen dropped like 10 times in his 'career' already!!

 

[Sureshot]

He bowled well, but 3 of them were gifted to him down the ground to long on/off, when the ball was a half tracker.

Call me biased if u want cos im a sikh but I think Panesar deserves a place in the ODI team...

He is england's best spinner and can actually turn the ball , his batting isnt that bad and his fielding can only improve by exposure to a very fast paced game that is One Day Cricket.

What do you think

Manee

You have to at least 2 dimensions to be able to get into the Fletcher era ODI teams.

I wouldn't get any England fans, myself included, started on "ifs and buts". At least India had the choice regarding Dravid

Summing up an Englishman.

1) Ifs and Buts occur regularly.
2) We're an optimistic bunch.

 

[SaiSrini]

SS bowled well, but in patches. He definitely didn't deserve 6 wickets, his first three were well deserved.

Well he has been deserving to pick more wickets in his career than what he had picked before this game, courtesy the dropped catches. So it all evens out. The last 3 wickets werent only due to the batsmen. Sreesanth varied his deliveries well and got those wickets.

Uthappa and Dravid have done incredibly well today, but 2 quick wickets for England mean that they are back in it. Both of them gone, Uthappa couldn't of asked for a better debut.

Uthappa batted really really well for a debutant. He looked awkward against the short deliveries due to his over reliance on front foot play, but this is his first match. He has to be given time to rectify along the way. He has a good backup team of Chappell. Frazer, etc to identify his flaws and I am sure they must have spotted his flaw by now. He is a very promising prospect.

Do I see Sehwag now being a little uneasy? I would say play Sehwag and Uthappa in the first game vs Pakistan at Abu Dhabi. The presence of Uthappa at the other end and since he can be a serious contender to erasing Sehwag from this team, Sehwag might be forced to bat more better!

 

[cricket4life]

well future looks bleak for VRV..Singh.....he's in the mould of tinu yohanan and anyone remember t kumaran ...played some years back as a make shift opening bowler....well given his action its too much towards the leg..almost a slinging action ...if he need to pitch on off and around off.....then he'll have to redo his action a bit....that means becoming unnatural....and as for the sake of ...Sreesanth he's a good bowler...though he goes for runs in opening spells he makes the batsman play at almost all the balls....i bet he'll be a great success in test matches as compared to odis .....

one more thing..there is no use celebrating this win .....look how KP has played in this series.....he has almost knocked us out ..the only unfortunate thing was he didnt stay too long....may be the conditions got too him...but if he goes on to make a 100 things would be pretty hard for us...

.i feel England can be world beaters in Odis .....its understandable that they lost this series because there were few key players missing ...but if its a full fledged squad...its looks unbeatable on paper and may be its..its even better than Australia or Safrica...or even Newzealand...If india are ever to face sucha a squad in World cup semis or quarter...i bet they would beat us blue...


The best English Odi squad

1.Trescothick ...should get over with the bug..be it a virus or his gf...
2.Strauss ...nothing much i like the way he plays ...Has a shark like face though
3.M.Vaughn....The captain...i am not too sure that he fits the bill for odis ..but as we have seen he can inspire the English to win the Ashes test ..so he can to win the Odis as well....he could do it ..the inspirer..
4.K.Pieterson ...ultimate batsmen..a legend in the making.
5..I.Bell just needs to improve a bit....he can be moved to any position as u like ..very useful in case of a collapse to consolidate
6.P.Collingwood....great middle order batsman in the mould of dravid..but a great fielder and a useful bowler too...just needs to become a finisher ...
7.A.Flintoff..this man need no intro..he's freddy
8.G.jones....his keeping this series makes gilchrist or boucher look pale..
9.A.Giles/I.Blackwell...Well not may people like Giles ..but he's a gem when he bowls those negative lines....and a useful lower order batsman..
As for I Blackwell needs to improve his batting if he need to make any impact..
10.Simon Jones..need to be fit again a useful batsman
11.S.Harmisson......the fastest of the lot...i guess....


therefore in short

1.M.Trescothick
2.A.Strauss
3.M.Vaughn
4.K.Pieterson
5.P.Collingwood
6.A.Flintoff
7.I.Bell
8.G.Jones
9.A.Giles/I.Blackwell..
10.S.Jones
11.S.Harmisson..

All said...I love my Indian team....i wish they'll win the World Cup in WI ..But as for now they have long way to go to be world beaters...

I agree england is very strong team. but look at my indian team.

Sachin- He's god.
Robin- looked good in the final game and can't say anything now
Sehwag- out of form but when comes back can destroy any bowling attack
Dravid- world class...no need to tell about him.
Yuvi- great fielder, can bowl and very mature batsman these days
Raina- great fielder, can bowl and technically classic batsman
Dhoni- no need to say anything about him....he is just tooo good.
Pathan- Ind's strike bowler and developing into an all-rounder
Powar- fine spinner and very handy with the bat
Bhajji- world class spinner and can hit very big ones
Sreesanth- good aggressive bowler

so how do like my indian team.

 

[SaiSrini]

Noway was he quick and he touched 140's just thrice. He was in the mid 130's and his average speed was 134 only.

Indian cap nowadays seems too easy to get seeing these guys.

FC OD
Raina 23 - 19
VRV 08 - 13
Sreesanth 25 - 15
Chawla 09 - 05
RP 13 - 17
Uttahpa 20 - 22

Many of these guys have done well ,agreed,but why differnt yarstick for different players. Guys like Powar,Rao,Munaf had to grind through but these guys got thier oppurtnities quite easily.How would the selctors know thier potential so soon ?????

Among the list you've brought up, Raina, Sreesanth, RP and Uthappa have succeeded and are considered the future. VRV and Chawla have played a total of just 3 games together (VRV- 2 ODI's and Chawla a single test).

The thing is, international cricket is about luck and the way the wind blows on your side. Every player need not have to grind his way into the side. There will be some who will be favored by the men in power. In this case, the team management has seen some spark in them that has guided them in blooding these guys into the team. They havent put the management down and have performed well to the expectations!

And our opinions arent going to count. The team management and selectors do the job of picking the right players. They have a job to do. So far, they have done it to pretty decently (The Ganguly episode is a black mark in an otherwise above average work).

I agree england is very strong team. but look at my indian team.

Sachin- He's god.
Robin- looked good in the final game and can't say anything now
Sehwag- out of form but when comes back can destroy any bowling attack
Dravid- world class...no need to tell about him.
Yuvi- great fielder, can bowl and very mature batsman these days
Raina- great fielder, can bowl and technically classic batsman
Dhoni- no need to say anything about him....he is just tooo good.
Pathan- Ind's strike bowler and developing into an all-rounder
Powar- fine spinner and very handy with the bat
Bhajji- world class spinner and can hit very big ones
Sreesanth- good aggressive bowler

so how do like my indian team.

Thats a great team. We have Sachin and Yuvraj as our fifth bowling options. Sachin can bowl medium pace which will be useful in West Indies and yuvraj can always be called to bowl his useful left arm spin.

One change (quite an optimistic change) would be to include Saurav instead of Sehwag. You get one more fifth bowling option in your pocket, and that too a medium pace bowler who can be good in West Indies!

 

[gary0808]

I agree with Vinulast. England have a fantastic ODI team and when your missing one of the best batsman in the world in Vaughan, One of the best openers in Trescothick, One of the fastest in Harmy and One of the swingiest in Simon Jones your gonna have problems. Don't forget about Gilo.

 

[cricket_lover]

I agree with Vinulast. England have a fantastic ODI team and when your missing one of the best batsman in the world in Vaughan, One of the best openers in Trescothick, One of the fastest in Harmy and One of the swingiest in Simon Jones your gonna have problems. Don't forget about Gilo.

England have a decent ODI line-up, but they didn't gel as a team. Even when they had Trescothick, they were never a ODI power. I feel Vaughan is a burden, he's like Laxman type player...both class acts but never consistent in ODI's.

Thats a great team. We have Sachin and Yuvraj as our fifth bowling options. Sachin can bowl medium pace which will be useful in West Indies and yuvraj can always be called to bowl his useful left arm spin.

One change (quite an optimistic change) would be to include Saurav instead of Sehwag. You get one more fifth bowling option in your pocket, and that too a medium pace bowler who can be good in West Indies!

Sourav's chances are fading, but he might be given one more chance...don't know when.
Our ODI squad is pretty much stable now, with Sachin, Sehwag, Kaif, Dhoni and few others out of the team, its a matter of giving all individuals a chance to play in different conditions, and different situations.

The WI tour will be very important.

 

[gaurav_indian]

Don't forget India is still to be tested on the English,Australian,South African and New Zealand conditions.Dravid has still to captain India in these tours.Only time will tell whether he can win matches for India on the foreign soil.Don't feel too happy bcoz India won the ODI series in sub-continents wickets.

 

[cricket4life]

I don't understand one thing. Why these Indian fans are backing England. I don't know why? They try to act nice and all that. Theyre backing up England by saying that they were missing players and that's why they lost. But please don't forget India also were missing few decent players in the last game. Sachin, Sehwag, Kaif, Ganguly, Dhoni and Agakar. I think the team was balanced for the 7th ODI. And if you look at bowling department for india. it was very inexperienced. INdia won becuase they played better cricket. that's all!

 

[gaurav_indian]

I don't understand one thing. Why these Indian fans are backing England. I don't know why? They try to act nice and all that. Theyre backing up England by saying that they were missing players and that's why they lost. But please don't forget India also were missing few decent players in the last game. Sachin, Sehwag, Kaif, Ganguly, Dhoni and Agakar. I think the team was balanced for the 7th ODI. And if you look at bowling department for india. it was very inexperienced. INdia won becuase they played better cricket. that's all!

We are not backing England but the truth is yup England were missing their half of the side.Winning against such a second string team is not of much joy to me. :

 

[slade]

Is Kumble definately out of the equation? he says he wants to play one dayers. Hes slow on his feet, but he cant be much worse than Powar. I saw kumble bowling at a 20 20 match in the oval: asian xi Vs icc xi and while murli and harbajan were going to all parts, kumble bowled a tight line and the bounce he generated made him diificult to put away. Its good powar got a chance in this series because kumble has nothing to prove. He should play a few one dayers during the west indies tour and if hes effective, maybe he should replace powar during the world cup. powar bowled very well in india, but these were pitches on which Ian blackwell looked like an international spinner. (county average of 36.12 with economy of 4.82)

 

[cricket_lover]

I don't understand one thing. Why these Indian fans are backing England. I don't know why? They try to act nice and all that. Theyre backing up England by saying that they were missing players and that's why they lost. But please don't forget India also were missing few decent players in the last game. Sachin, Sehwag, Kaif, Ganguly, Dhoni and Agakar. I think the team was balanced for the 7th ODI. And if you look at bowling department for india. it was very inexperienced. INdia won becuase they played better cricket. that's all!

Indian fans? Well dude, if someone is biased, then he/she is an idiot. You have to be neutral when you look at things, and to be fair, England did not have few important members of ODI's, mainly Trescothick and Hamirson.

India also were missing important players, and it has lots of youngsters...so its almost a balanced team vs team playing, especially in the ODI's.

Is Kumble definately out of the equation? he says he wants to play one dayers. Hes slow on his feet, but he cant be much worse than Powar. I saw kumble bowling at a 20 20 match in the oval: asian xi Vs icc xi and while murli and harbajan were going to all parts, kumble bowled a tight line and the bounce he generated made him diificult to put away. Its good powar got a chance in this series because kumble has nothing to prove. He should play a few one dayers during the west indies tour and if hes effective, maybe he should replace powar during the world cup. powar bowled very well in india, but these were pitches on which Ian blackwell looked like an international spinner. (county average of 36.12 with economy of 4.82)

age and fitness are against him. He can be a dangerous bowler, but the team management are keen to make him play more tests, and it makes sense because India, for now, does not have a bowler who can replace Kumble from the test squad. ODI's is a different issue, and at 34 years..you don't want to be playing too many games.

 

[gary0808]

I think the difference was the strength in ODI depth:

For India they had Raina, Uthappa, Venugopal Rao who are all very good players for India

For England we had Prior, Solanki, Mahmood and Kabir Ali who are simply not good enough