England Tour Of Bangladesh 2010

[CaptainOZ]

This is quite possibly the worst run chase I have ever seen. Senseless batting on a number of levels. Dissappointing from the Bangles.

 

[khalek]

Another whitewash, what a shame. These bitches just don't wanna win.

 

[CaptainOZ]

I hope Bresnan gets his 5th

 

[Iridium]

Nope, Bresnan misses out on his 5-fer. Bangladesh lose another game. Their batting seems much more consistant nowadays, geting around 230-260. Just need to step it up one more notch and start posting BIG scores and defend with good bowling. Oh well, maybe next time around.

 

[King Pietersen]

Good win for England given the bowling attack. Kieswetter batted beautifully, Wright went well too. Bresnan bowled well and deserved his 4 wickets. Shame that Plunkett didn't get many overs, would have liked to have seen more of him. Shahzad bowled ok, but I still don't think he's anywhere near good enough for International cricket yet. Kieswetter MOTM, as for MOTS, it's pretty open, could go to Swann or Morgan I think.

 

[irottev]

What's with Plunkett playing as a specialist fielder? Does Cook not like him. Seems to be either a very poor selection or just bad captaincy. Very disappointed.

He bowled 4th change for 2 whole overs. :/

 

[MUFC1987]

Good to see Kieswetter getting runs in tricky conditions. Hopefully this will mean that he'll get a chance in the team at the start of our summer, rather than the feared Strauss - Cook combination. Good to see Wright doing well too, he was superb in that role. I have no doubts that people will still criticise him though. Seems he can't win unless he scores hundreds to win the game from 7 or something.

I don't think anyone can explain the selection, other than the fact he's looked a prospect bowling in the nets, and seems to have "something about him". Not seen how he's bowled today yet, but I'm not expecting much. No chance in hell that he should be in the side ahead of Napier though.

Do we have a selector from Yorkshire? Might explain it.

I was surprised that Plunkett only got 2 overs and didn't open the bowling. Seems like Shahzad is rated much higher, even though Plunkett did reasonably well when he was in the team before.

 

[Themer]

I like the looks of Shahzad he looks to have a very stable repeatable action, decent pace and can more than hold the bat but it looks like he's been picked way too early. Why haven't let him progress in the county circuit for a few more years and if the performances come then select him.

If they want to go down the youngster route I still don't understand why he was selected before other more established youngsters who have more experience at county level. For example I don't see why Shahzad was selected ahead of other youngsters like Finn or Harris.

 

[Owzat]

I like the looks of Shahzad he looks to have a very stable repeatable action, decent pace and can more than hold the bat but it looks like he's been picked way too early. Why haven't let him progress in the county circuit for a few more years and if the performances come then select him.

If they want to go down the youngster route I still don't understand why he was selected before other more established youngsters who have more experience at county level. For example I don't see why Shahzad was selected ahead of other youngsters like Finn or Harris.

My selection policy would say that you can pick a player only after three full seasons of county cricket, then if they've done anything of note then they are experienced enough.

Not sure much can be read into this result, match or series. I share concerns over selection policies and use of players selected, how much sense there is in Collingwood bowling 10 overs and yet Wright and Plunkett only bowled two each. I can only conclude the captain was worried about losing, I'd be more worried that two players in the side listed as bowlers can't bowl anywhere near their allocation. If they can't against Bangladesh then what hope they will against better sides?!?!

I'd really like to see Swann given more responsibility with the bat, try and convert him into an all-rounder and reflect that in the order. Now is a perfect opportunity, he is as capable as Wright with the bat and many times the bowler so why play Wright at all?!? Decent 32no but 2-0-16-0 does not justify his inclusion. We might as well just include Collingwood with the assumption he'll end up bowling 10 overs, if not someone will make up the extras, and play an extra batsman.

 

[King Pietersen]

I like the looks of Shahzad he looks to have a very stable repeatable action, decent pace and can more than hold the bat but it looks like he's been picked way too early. Why haven't let him progress in the county circuit for a few more years and if the performances come then select him.

We don't have any other options. The fast bowling stocks in England are very thin at the moment, especially in One Day cricket. Shahzad looks a good prospect, but he shouldn't be playing International cricket right now. He has good raw talent, I'll give him that. He has good pace, a solid action, gets abit of swing but he's not ready to be playing International cricket, especially in the subcontinent. His length has been developed bowling on the Headingley surface, where he can extract seam movement and get bounce. Bowling that length in the subcontinent is just asking to be despatched. He seems to have a good character though, and has impressed Andy Flower, so I think we'll be seeing him for a while. I just hope he develops quickly, and starts taking heaps of wickets for Yorkshire.

Owzat, I think you're being harsh on Luke Wright again. He's a handy all-rounder to have, is good in the field, and can play the sort of innings' he played today, which allows us to make big scores. He may not be the prettiest of batsmen, but he's effective, and has done his job well for England. Until Flintoff comes back, I'm happy sticking with him.

 

[MUFC1987]

My selection policy would say that you can pick a player only after three full seasons of county cricket, then if they've done anything of note then they are experienced enough.

So Kieswetter wouldn't get a look in with you then, even though he's the stand out player to have at the top of the order, especially in T20s?

Not sure much can be read into this result, match or series. I share concerns over selection policies and use of players selected, how much sense there is in Collingwood bowling 10 overs and yet Wright and Plunkett only bowled two each. I can only conclude the captain was worried about losing, I'd be more worried that two players in the side listed as bowlers can't bowl anywhere near their allocation. If they can't against Bangladesh then what hope they will against better sides?!?!

Since when was Wright in the team as a bowler? He's a batting all rounder. We have 4 bowlers to bowl their overs, with Wright, Collingwood and Pietersen making up the other 10 and any odd amounts due to conditions etc.

I'd really like to see Swann given more responsibility with the bat, try and convert him into an all-rounder and reflect that in the order. Now is a perfect opportunity, he is as capable as Wright with the bat and many times the bowler so why play Wright at all?!? Decent 32no but 2-0-16-0 does not justify his inclusion. We might as well just include Collingwood with the assumption he'll end up bowling 10 overs, if not someone will make up the extras, and play an extra batsman.

I'm as big a Swann fan as anyone, but no way is he as good as Luke Wright with the bat in hand. Sure, he's a decent player and as good as the likes of Broad, but Wright is the next level up, hence why he's picked in the batting all rounder slot, ahead of anybody else in County Cricket.

MUFC1987 added 3 Minutes and 41 Seconds later...

On another note, it was interesting to see Flower saying that they were on the look out for a left arm spinner, with a view to playing in the WC alongside Swann. I wonder if Patel or Blackwell actually have any chance, as they're surely the two standout players in terms of one day cricket.

 

[King Pietersen]

Yeah, that was pretty interesting. Both need to stay off the pies though, and Patel actually needs to score some runs and take some wickets this season to have a chance of getting picked.

 

[Owzat]

So Kieswetter wouldn't get a look in with you then, even though he's the stand out player to have at the top of the order, especially in T20s?

If he hasn't played three county seasons then that's unfortunate, but since he hasn't proven my suggested system wrong by world beating BANGLADESH then I stand by it?

Since when was Wright in the team as a bowler? He's a batting all rounder. We have 4 bowlers to bowl their overs, with Wright, Collingwood and Pietersen making up the other 10 and any odd amounts due to conditions etc.

If I even unintentionally suggested he was purely in as a bowler then that was misworded, but since I mentioned his batting I doubt I said he was in predominantly as a bowler. My point is that if he's in the side to bowl then he needs to do more of it, if he isn't then he might as well be replaced by a batsman. He's batted at seven TEN times so it is not unreasonable to expect more bowling, if he's in the side to bat then why isn't he batting higher? I think he's another "England type of player" (in the eyes of the selectors), someone who can come in late on, hit a few big blows and then bowl a few overs and maybe buy a wicket. If that is true then no thanks, I'd rather have players who are good batsmen, good bowlers or good all-rounders than bit-part players. It's no wonder England have been poor in ODIs since 1992.

I'm as big a Swann fan as anyone, but no way is he as good as Luke Wright with the bat in hand. Sure, he's a decent player and as good as the likes of Broad, but Wright is the next level up, hence why he's picked in the batting all rounder slot, ahead of anybody else in County Cricket.

Not sure I agree there, Swann is batting ridiculously low for England and Wright is nothing special. I stand by my assertion Swann can bat higher, I am sure he has opened for Notts in various formats even if his FC average is lower

On another note, it was interesting to see Flower saying that they were on the look out for a left arm spinner, with a view to playing in the WC alongside Swann. I wonder if Patel or Blackwell actually have any chance, as they're surely the two standout players in terms of one day cricket.

I assume you mean SR Patel, not sure he or Blackwell did that much when last playing for England. We have long cried out for a batsman who bowls SLA to a decent standard, but I think Swann has gone a long way to showing England's obsession with lefties and leggies was at the expense of quality. Not that Panesar wasn't good for a spell, he just faded badly and not being much of a batsman didn't help his cause. Think I'd rather have Panesar in the side than a bit part nearly batsman who can bowl a bit

 

[King Pietersen]

We're not that bad at ODi's anymore really. Won an away series in SA, beat India at home, got to the Semi finals of the CT, hammered SA at home, beat Sri Lanka away and won our last tournament in Australia. Our problem is consistency, we've definitely improved a heck of alot in the last 3 years though.

 

[vagabond]

Until Flintoff comes back, I'm happy sticking with him.

Flintoff is not and never should come back. just not fit enough never will be