England's ODI squad

I think this is progress today. They've got the make up of the team right for me. 6 batsmen and then 5 bowlers who should be capable of bowling 10 overs more often than not. For sure you can argue about the personnel, including a specialist bowler over Stokes, but the balance is right for me. Promising.
 
The positives are that they've not given Dernbach yet another chance to show how bad he is.

I've always felt that they should play four specialist bowlers, rather than an all rounder at 8. Its a more balanced team than we had in Australia, but I think that having Stokes and Woakes means that we don't have another bowler that could take wickets. Woakes did very well but he's not going to do that every time, and I think having someone like Finn might help us to get wickets.

Our batting is still the key weakness though: we were nowhere close to a getable target... Leaving Ballance out was a really dumb decision...
 
I fail to see how that was promising.

We conceded an above par score for that pitch, Jordan's bowling was pathetic (12 wides) and the batting throughout the lineup was inept, especially against spin.
 
The 6 batsman 5 bowlers lineup is a lot more promising, although the 5 bowlers they chose weren't that promising. When I first saw Jordan in ODI cricket I thought he could do a decent job, but this summer has proved that he hasn't got the discipline for limited overs cricket. He should just play tests and bowl as fast as he can. It's a shame because he's a great fielder and can hit sixes.

Stokes wasn't great but I think he'll be ok. Tredwell put in another solid display. As I've said many times before, he never lets us down. So Broad will probably come in for Jordan for the World Cup.

The question they need to ask themselves is do they want 3 bowling all rounders at 7,8 and 9 or is it worth getting rid of Stokes or Woakes and picking a specialist bowler like Finn or Gurney? I'd probably stick with Stokes, Woakes, Broad, Tredwell and Anderson, as I don't think Broads batting is good enough to bat at 8 anymore.
 
bigred said:
The 6 batsman 5 bowlers lineup is a lot more promising, although the 5 bowlers they chose weren't that promising. When I first saw Jordan in ODI cricket I thought he could do a decent job, but this summer has proved that he hasn't got the discipline for limited overs cricket. He should just play tests and bowl as fast as he can. It's a shame because he's a great fielder and can hit sixes.

Stokes wasn't great but I think he'll be ok. Tredwell put in another solid display. As I've said many times before, he never lets us down. So Broad will probably come in for Jordan for the World Cup.

The question they need to ask themselves is do they want 3 bowling all rounders at 7,8 and 9 or is it worth getting rid of Stokes or Woakes and picking a specialist bowler like Finn or Gurney? I'd probably stick with Stokes, Woakes, Broad, Tredwell and Anderson, as I don't think Broads batting is good enough to bat at 8 anymore.
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As a critic of Tredwell, i would concede as Nick Knight was showing on commentary, his bowling has shown some slight signs of improvement. He is flighting the ball with a bit more confidence & is genuinely deceiving batsmen a bit. But this is just the firs part of the W-Cup preparation, still needs to keep improving before ENG fans can feel confident in his abilities in the shorter format, like when Swann was around.

Going back to the Cook/Bell issue - to be fair to them I guess i can tolerate Bell playing, but he has to open. Don't think he works well as ODI # 3 or middle order player. So yea Cook should stick to tests.

Bopara & Finn need to be in that team though. Bopara bowling will be a better 6th bowling option in AUS/NZ conditions that Root's spin & we need at least 3 wicket taking quicks Anderson/Broad/Finn.

Woakes/Jordan/Stokes in a 4 seamer attack, wasn't penetrative enough. But i could tolerate if 2 of them play.

So even if is disgustingly accept KP won't be back for the 2015 W-Cup squad, this would be my XI/15 squad:

Hales, Bell, Root, Morgan, Bopara, Buttler, Stokes, Woakes, Broad/Anderson, Tredwell, Finn

Kieswetter, Vince/Taylor, Anderson/Broad, Meaker
 
bigred said:
The 6 batsman 5 bowlers lineup is a lot more promising, although the 5 bowlers they chose weren't that promising.
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This is exactly my point. I'd argue that the batting line up could be better as could the bowling line up, but the fact that we're picking guys who bowl, rather than expecting the likes of Bopara or Samit Patel to get through 10 overs is what is good.

Personally, I'm hoping that Woakes and Stokes are competing for one spot, as they're both good enough to bat at 7. I like Woakes opening the bowling though, so I'd rather keep him, even if it means Stokes missing out. I'd bring in Broad and Finn or Gurney for Stokes and Jordan if we had everyone available. Sure, Broad at 8 is slightly weaker, but then we'd have a better 5 bowlers for me. He's fine coming in for the last few overs and trying to hit boundaries anyway. If Anderson is going to play, we need someone to bowl at the end with Broad, as Anderson gets hit far too much still. He's fine in the first 35 overs, especially if he can get it swinging, but towards the end we need better options. Problem is, with Woakes in the side, we have two bowlers like that. I'd drop Anderson personally to get both Finn and Gurney into the side, but that's not going to happen.
 
MUFC1987 said:
This is exactly my point. I'd argue that the batting line up could be better as could the bowling line up, but the fact that we're picking guys who bowl, rather than expecting the likes of Bopara or Samit Patel to get through 10 overs is what is good.

Personally, I'm hoping that Woakes and Stokes are competing for one spot, as they're both good enough to bat at 7. I like Woakes opening the bowling though, so I'd rather keep him, even if it means Stokes missing out. I'd bring in Broad and Finn or Gurney for Stokes and Jordan if we had everyone available. Sure, Broad at 8 is slightly weaker, but then we'd have a better 5 bowlers for me. He's fine coming in for the last few overs and trying to hit boundaries anyway. If Anderson is going to play, we need someone to bowl at the end with Broad, as Anderson gets hit far too much still. He's fine in the first 35 overs, especially if he can get it swinging, but towards the end we need better options. Problem is, with Woakes in the side, we have two bowlers like that. I'd drop Anderson personally to get both Finn and Gurney into the side, but that's not going to happen.
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Yeah I'd probably go along with that. Would keep Anderson in just for his experience, but agree that he should probably bowl his 10 overs at the beginning of the innings. Is Gurney a good death bowler? Everything I've seen of him has just been ok without being overly impressive. Bowling average of 32 in list A cricket worries me also. Particularly when Bopara's is 27. Who are the best death bowlers in the country? My best 11 would have bowling attack of Anderson, Broad, Stokes and Woakes. None of whom have a great reputation for bowling at the end. Finn doesn't exactly come into that category either.
 
Gunrey seems to just be picked as a token left-arm, nothing special about him as new-ball, power-play or death ovvers quick. Shouldn't be in the team/squad.
 
Some things I have noticed when I see England playing one day games.

(1) Whenever I have seen Tradewell, he has looked a very good bowler to me. Even if he is not picking wickets, he won't concede too many runs and will help build pressure from one side. I was a bit surprised when he was dropped today for Moeen Ali because he has been England's best bowler in the series.

(2) Whenever Eoin Morgan comes to the crease, the English commentators go absolutely crazy about how good he is against spin and how big of an impact he makes in this side. I have never seen him perform like that. Just because he innovates with that reverse sweep against spinners does not make him a good player of spin. Whenever I have seen him against our spinners, he has always struggled to get going.

(3) Moeen Ali should be batting at 3 for England. I heard Nick Knight mentioning in the commentary that he bats in the top order for his county team so it shouldn't be new to him. I think he is a decent number 3 batsman who can score at a run a ball. This will also allow England to have his part time spin option.

(4) Harry Gurney does not look like an international standard bowler to me. He surely brings variety with his left arm seam to this one dimensional English bowling line-up but that is about it. He does not have speed, does not move the ball much and also not very good at death.
 
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^Totally agree with every point you've just made.

Tredwell showed in the last match that he can give it some with the bat, his bowling has improved also, his omission is baffling.
 
TMS have spent all game talking up Jason Roy: is he any good?
 
Aalay said:
Some things I have noticed when I see England playing one day games.

(1) Whenever I have seen Tradewell, he has looked a very good bowler to me. Even if he is not picking wickets, he won't concede too many runs and will help build pressure from one side. I was a bit surprised when he was dropped today for Moeen Ali because he has been England's best bowler in the series.

(2) Whenever Eoin Morgan comes to the crease, the English commentators go absolutely crazy about how good he is against spin and how big of an impact he makes in this side. I have never seen him perform like that. Just because he innovates with that reverse sweep against spinners does not make him a good player of spin. Whenever I have seen him against our spinners, he has always struggled to get going.

(3) Moeen Ali should be batting at 3 for England. I heard Nick Knight mentioning in the commentary that he bats in the top order for his county team so it shouldn't be new to him. I think he is a decent number 3 batsman who can score at a run a ball. This will also allow England to have his part time spin option.

(4) Harry Gurney does not look like an international standard bowler to me. He surely brings variety with his left arm seam to this one dimensional English bowling line-up but that is about it. He does not have speed, does not move the ball much and also not very good at death.
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Totally agree. Tredwell is a solid bowler. Morgan has big issues against spin. Gurney looks lost at this level. Moeen Ali could potentially bat at 3.

IceAgeComing said:
TMS have spent all game talking up Jason Roy: is he any good?
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He has had an awesome t20 season. He smashes it. KP loves him and seems to be his mentor at surrey.

However, he has one day average of 29. But in the past England have picked people with modest averages in county cricket, and they've ended up doing brilliantly.
 
KP just picked his team on twitter.

Hales
Roy
Ali
Bopara
Morgan
Clarke
Buttler
Rashid
Broad
Finn
Anderson

Interesting selection. I must admit, my faith in people like Bell and Cook was wrong. They clearly aren't going to win us a WC, and despite the fact it's so close, we've got nothing to lose by having a massive change.

Pietersen was bound to pick Roy. Perhaps he would come off once or twice in a WC. He's brought back Bopara. Think the current selectors are the only ones who wouldn't pick him.

Clarke and Rashid are interesting. Clarke has been brilliant in a successful Warickshire team in last couple of years. People like Stokes and Woakes haven't taken their chance. Might be time to go back to an experienced county player. Rashid is fresh of a 150 for Yorkshire. I know his bowling has improved but is it good enough to be the main spinner. I suppose with Ali in the side, it's slightly easier for him to come in.

A lot are responding to his tweet with support for Trott and Taylor.
 
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