English Football Thread 2012/2013

[barmyarmy]

Well at least he sold Torres for a tidy packet

 

[Haarithan]

Yeah pretty much his only tactic, spot-on in the market.

I mean, he could have bought Parker and Ba for 5 mil, but instead he bought Carroll and Henderson for 51 mil!

 

[thedon5]

Enrique > Clichy IMO. Other than that, yeah agreed, pretty terrible dealings.

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Looking forward to the derby - atmosphere should be electric as always, but with Everton as our opponents, it should only be better. Should we lose, Dalglish simply has to go...

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Liverpool striker Luis Suarez open to PSG move - ESPN Soccernet



Rather subtle way of saying "Yes. I'm moving to Paris come summer". Can't blame him though, he is Champions League material and we clearly aren't ATM.

The thing that annoys most though is his photo from that link. Did ESPN opt for that pic deliberately?!

Ratboy should leave. Just sick of him. Buy someone else good to replace him, just sick of seeing his face.

 

[lancashire666]

I'm not pissed with his managerial tactics, can't blame him if his players don't find the back of the net. I'm more pissed with his summer signings and his reluctance to sign any player in the winter transfer window, when we clearly needed one quality finisher at the very least.

Screw a couple of players on the RHS, but take a look at the whole picture and see how miserable he's been on the market. But for Suarez and Bellamy, his signings have been garbage.

Jones, Young, Mata and Clichy wouldn't have gone, so he couldn't have bought them. And Given wouldn't of either as he wouldn't have gone to be a back up as he had enough of that at city
And at the start of the season no one expected Ba to be as successful as he has been.

Downing and Carroll have been the worse signing on there for me, both massively overpaid for and very very average players.

Had did Liverpool put themselves in a position where they payed Villa more for Downing than United did for Young

 

[MasterBlaster76]

And Jose to City should Utd win the title

Doesn't Jose eventually want the Utd job though? Going to City - and maybe helping them win the title - wouldn't be the best way to go about securing it.

That comparison between what Kenny has and what he could've had speaks volumes, doesn't it? While I wouldn't say that's necessarily a title winning side, it sure as hell pisses all over what Liverpool actually do have.

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Well at least he sold Torres for a tidy packet

Leaving Liverpool was Torres' worst move in English football. As they say, the grass isn't always greener on the other side. Liverpool fans must be kicking themselves: imagine Suarez, in a strike partnership with the real Torres! Actually, I'd rather not.

 

[barmyarmy]

But he had already not been the real Torres for 9 months when they sold him. Look how poor he was for Spain in the World Cup.

 

[MasterBlaster76]

Fair enough, but I think he would've regained his form if he'd stayed at Liverpool. As you said, he wasn't in the best of form, so to have the pressure of a ?50m pricetag was never going to help matters and now his confidence just seems completely shot. As I've said many times before, if I was him I'd look for a move away from the Premiership ASAP - at this rate, I wouldn't consider him for the Spain squad.

 

[Haarithan]

Ever since Kenny took over the helms at Liverpool, Torres had 4 goals in 3 matches before eventually signing for Chelsea. It was the Hodgson era that completely killed him.

 

[puddleduck]

He was pretty cack towards the end of the Rafa one as well, seeing as it was one of the main reasons Liverpool were cack.

By which I mean their previous 2 man team was down to 1.

 

[shravi]

STEVEN GERRARD! whaddaplayer

 

[Haarithan]

That was our easiest win of the season yet.

 

[barmyarmy]

Bet you wish you could play like that more than once a season...
Don't blame Moyes for having more than half an eye on the cup game.

 

[ste_mc_efc]

Bet you wish you could play like that more than once a season...
Don't blame Moyes for having more than half an eye on the cup game.

I think it was more down to us not turning up than then playing excellently.

 

[War]

I'm not pissed with his managerial tactics, can't blame him if his players don't find the back of the net. I'm more pissed with his summer signings and his reluctance to sign any player in the winter transfer window, when we clearly needed one quality finisher at the very least.

Screw a couple of players on the RHS, but take a look at the whole picture and see how miserable he's been on the market. But for Suarez and Bellamy, his signings have been garbage.

Hmm interesting list, agree and disagree with some.

- I'm not sure if Onuha or Dann would have been better defensive signing than Coates. Coates really hasn't played much after being signed basically on what scouts saw of him during the 2011 Copa America.

- Jones & Young possibly, but somehow i get the feeling he had their heart set of joining United.

- Arsenal or United had a better chance of getting Given, since i doubt he would go to a club to be # 2 again, which would have happened @ pool.

- Enrique was a good signing top left-back and unlucky not be Spain # 1 left-back ATM. Clichy definitely would not have gone to Liverpool. He left the gunners like the reds where in decline and because he felt they were not capable of winning big silverware, while City was the new big boys of the league.

- Adam has tailed off a lot for sure, but base on his form for Blackpool last season he seemed a good signing.

- Henderson bad singing for sure, never rated him and watching him struggled during England Under-21 campaign last summer - i thought Pool wasted money. Cabaye and Parker most certainly would been better buys.

- Mata maybe, but IIRC he had said Torres had played a big part in him going to Chelsea, so although he was certainly available - its not clear cut that he would have chosen the Reds.

- Its easy to be nostalgic and critique Carroll and hype Ba, but one year ago no one saw this coming.

Carroll performances at Newcastle seemed destined for big things this season and to some degree i think unnecessary media pressure has been placed on him, due to the inflated market, which made pool pay Newcastle more for him - than Barca pay Valencia for David Villa.

Demba Ba has simply surprised the world and in essence he was a lucky signing for Newcastle. Pretty sure Kenny wasn't the only manager whose scouts didn't pick him up.

 

[shravi]

Henderson and Carroll cannot be judged on this season alone because they are still young and have much time to improve. However, Kenny can be judged because he has thrust them into the first XI. I think we would look a lot more favorably on them if they were subs like they should be at this stage of their career at a big club. The money spent on them looks worse because they have to start and so people expect more from them because they were bought as current starters, not future starters as they should have been.

I think it's time Liverpool started placing more faith in their reserves. There are some good players coming through and I don't understand why they aren't getting any exposure. The likes of Sterling and Suso should get the odd game or be sent out on loan. Also, I hope we don't lose Pacheco at the end of this season.