English Football Thread 2013/14

Who will win the Premiership?


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Nani should be playing with Januzaj, if he finds form he is one of then best wingers in the league if not the best. Young and Valencia are pathetic excuses for footballers. I hope Moyes stays on and continues to play Anderson, Welbeck, Ferdinand, Cleverley, Evra, Smalling, Jones, Young and Valencia. It looks like he underestimated WBA and saved his 'best' players like Welbeck, Cleverley, Young and Valencia. They were outplayed and WBA look to be finally hitting form. Amalfitano is looking a cracking signing. #InMoyesWeTrust

Anyway we somehow managed to beat Swansea which is surprising as every time we've played them except at the Liberty last season they outplayed us. They did do really well but struggled to create proper chances, they needed a brilliant Ben Davies run to get them their goal. Ozil looked quite poor tbh. It proves something though. We won against one of our bogey teams even with our squad looking so thin. Watch out for young Serge Gnabry btw, he is a world class talent. Of all of our academy players in recent years, he is up there with the best. You see ability in him that you only saw in Fabregas and Wilshere at a young age and he's just taken his domination of the youth setup to he first team as well so he seems to be making the step up. Should go nicely with his compatriot Zelalem who is the next Fabregas. A German core to go with our young English core.

I'm not sure why Bendtner would have to be our saviour up front War, Giroud is far better and if Wenger can groom Podolski to play there he is better than both assuming he improves his movement, this is of course assuming we don't get a striker in January or the summer.

Spurs look good but still have a lot to prove. Soldado looks awful up front and either he or Defoe need to start scoring more as they are really struggling to score, five goals in six games doesn't make for pleasant reading. I really doubt that with their defensive tactics and personnel that they'll be able to keep up their defensive form. Make no mistake they have gaps there that top forwards like Benteke or Rooney would exploit, not Torres though. The new guys still need to gel for sure, and guys like Paulinho and Eriksen have to keep up their top performances all season, and they need to ensure their wingers can continue to provide the goods. Sigurdsson and Townsend have been solid while inconsistent and unspectacular other than one or two performances. Chadli has been bad. Lamela has been solid but needs to start and do it all game. They have deficiencies, but they have a good squad and should finally make the Champions League this season. They will do some damage in the cups as well, I think they have a good chance of winning a trophy.

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Baines is coming to United in January and Evra is going to Monaco/PSG

Wouldn't make much sense, he is the heartbeat of an Everton team that is built around him to an extent. It's what allows him to be considered one of the best LBs in the world. Not sure why he'd trade that for the Man Utd circus that will struggle to finish too far ahead of Everton if ahead at all.
 
I'm not sure why Bendtner would have to be our saviour up front War, Giroud is far better and if Wenger can groom Podolski to play there he is better than both assuming he improves his movement, this is of course assuming we don't get a striker in January or the summer.

Spurs look good but still have a lot to prove. Soldado looks awful up front and either he or Defoe need to start scoring more as they are really struggling to score, five goals in six games doesn't make for pleasant reading.


Wouldn't make much sense, he is the heartbeat of an Everton team that is built around him to an extent. It's what allows him to be considered one of the best LBs in the world. Not sure why he'd trade that for the Man Utd circus that will struggle to finish too far ahead of Everton if ahead at all.

I didn't say Bendtner will be the Gunners striker saviour. I was saying you indeed might need good striker back-up to Giroud unless Wenger himself feels you guys don't & thinks he can make Bendtner good again.

On Soldado im actually surprised he hasn't scored goals to date in this season, his movement in the box and some assist to others have been pretty good.

With Baines i guess you can say his relationship with Moyes could tempt him across. But if United continue to stutter Baines might rethink until another big club comes calling.
 
thinks he can make Bendtner good again.

Another howler from the war scrapbook, :facepalm

Since when at any point has Bendtner been good.?:facepalm

Next you will be saying something crazy like Rio Ferdinand should be playing for England again,.. O wait ...l :thumbs
 
Another howler from the war scrapbook, :facepalm

Since when at any point has Bendtner been good.?:facepalm

Next you will be saying something crazy like Rio Ferdinand should be playing for England again,.. O wait ...l :thumbs

:lol like you can't read and comprehend. I never said i thought Bendtner has been good. However quite obviously since Wenger chose to integrate him back into the squad after loaning him out, he possibly feels he can get something good out of him - he said so himself recently:

Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger: Nicklas Bendtner has qualities to make him unstoppable | Football | Sport | Daily Express

:lol and what's this nonsense about Ferdinand?? Ok i see what you trying to do. Check it here i aint getting involved with no childish crap & internet beef with nobody i dont know & will never meet in real life. Got a problem with me, put me on your damn ignore list. Talk football in cordial manner or back the hell up!
 
:lol like you can't read and comprehend. I never said i thought Bendtner has been good. However quite obviously since Wenger chose to integrate him back into the squad after loaning him out, he possibly feels he can get something good out of him - he said so himself recently:

Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger: Nicklas Bendtner has qualities to make him unstoppable | Football | Sport | Daily Express

:lol and what's this nonsense about Ferdinand?? Ok i see what you trying to do. Check it here i aint getting involved with no childish crap & internet beef with nobody i dont know & will never meet in real life. Got a problem with me, put me on your damn ignore list. Talk football in cordial manner or back the hell up!

Wenger is saying that to get him performing before January. He is gone in January or in the summer, he said he would never play for Arsenal again before he went to Sunderland and won't sign back on, I'm not sure the club will want him to sign back on anyway.

We need Luis Muriel to replace him and compete with Giroud. He just signed a new contract, but it's Udinese so they should sell. 13 goals and 4 assists from 18 starts and 9 sub appearances in Serie A in the last two seasons.

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@the don

FerdinanD is playing too much these days he needs rest
Evra he is no longer the player he used to be
Smalling and Jones have played well so far in this season
Young i am not sure what has happened to him
Valencia he was so poor in the last season but he will start performing soon
Anderson we should sell him i am not sure why he is still in the team
and at last Tom Cleverley he is no Scholes but he is 1000 times better than Sir Anderson :p

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6 games and we cant finish ahead of Everton :/

It's been brewing for a long time mate, the squad is awful, it's a bunch of pensioners and overrated youngsters being carried by two players.

Ferdinand is bad whether he has been playing enough or not. Probably the worst starting CB out of all teams to finish top 4 last season. Evra is awful and needs replacement though I doubt that'll happen, Coentrao is OK and could be a decent replacement but he isn't going to uproot any trees and Buttner is no good as well. Jones is OK, Smalling not so much (needs to play CB not RB!), I think it'll take a while for them to reach their peaks but when they do they'll be top players, right now they aren't going to win you titles. Young is one of the worst footballers in the league. Valencia even when he performs is limited as hell and won't do anything other than right-footed crosses and runs. He has performed one season, in 11/12, since he moved. When he's not performing he is in a similar category to Young. Tom Cleverley is worse than Jordan Henderson. By a distance.

United must be wishing they put a buy-back clause on Robbie Brady.
 
We need Luis Muriel to replace him and compete with Giroud. He just signed a new contract, but it's Udinese so they should sell. 13 goals and 4 assists from 18 starts and 9 sub appearances in Serie A in the last two seasons.

Yes good shout on Muriel, another serious talent from the exciting Columbia team these days.


Ferdinand is bad whether he has been playing enough or not. Probably the worst starting CB out of all teams to finish top 4 last season. Evra is awful and needs replacement though I doubt that'll happen

Tom Cleverley is worse than Jordan Henderson. By a distance.

Hold there for a minute the don ha, thing you are being a bit over the top on Ferdinand. No way was he was anywhere close to worst starting CB's in the top 4 last season. Ferdinand had one of his best seasons last year clearly after a few heavily injured plagued years. It was only in march that he had that big defensive performance vs Real Madrid that forced Hodgson to recall him for England under tremendous and for once actual merited media pressure.

I believe him playing so much games this season so quick is having an effect on him too - that shouldn't be under-rated. Since Ferguson & Ferdinand went on record last season saying he has a "pre-planned fitness schedule" before games & to get the best out of him you got pick and choose the games he plays every week etc.

On Cleverley/Henderson. While would want to dispute that Cleverley is actually better, these days i'm not sure what Henderson is. He is mid-fielder by trait, but Rogers is playing him like a right-winger/right-wing back & he hasn't exactly impressed in that role either - although he hasn't disgraced himself in it.

Neither are the greatest, just useful squad role players. But you would find Cleverley is higher in the England pecking order right now.
 
Who is worse? Nastasic is better, Koscieny is better, Cahill is better, Terry isn't very good either but still better. Ferdinand has been awful this season, fatigued or not.

Henderson isn't particularly good, that's the point of the comparison. Cleverley is overrated to no end.
 
Henderson is just so much better than Cleverley tbh (or less worse than Cleverley as some of you would like me to put it). Neither are anywhere near good enough to be representing England, but I think the former is versatile, hard working and executes the role of a "functional player" designated by Rodgers to decent levels. Kind of wasted at RWB over the last two games though. Was simply outstanding against United at RW, and against Stoke on opening day (at AMC).
 
Henderson impressed me last season, and this season he has been doing the job for sure, tracks back very well. Still not particularly good though, not consistent enough in attack.

Last season I likened both of them to Ramsey. While Ramsey was always far better than both of them, I think a move to central midfield as a B2B could really benefit Henderson and he could really do a great job there. I think he is capable of pulling out the defensive performances like Ramsey can, though I'm not convinced about him going forward yet. I see the defensive potential in him. Cleverley on the other hand is a lost cause.
 
I'm with War on this, Rio was excellent last season but has fallen of a cliff this season. Hopefully the other 3 CBs get game time ahead of him.

Cleverley's just decent, he doesn't excel at anything in particular but is a decent link player in the build up. He needs to develop some part of his game into something special if he wants to be a regular starter.

Haari, you say Henderson is versatile but so is Cleverley who has played all across midfield and in behind the striker after starting off as a fullback. You say Henderson is hardworking but so is Cleverley. Difference is he came from the academy and cost nothing. That's not a dig a Henderson, btw, he's looked good under Rodgers.

I honestly don't know you ---- on him so much, don, he really isn't that bad but he isn't going to be a world beater either. It's a strange stick to beat when you could criticise other players at Utd but you pick out Cleverley every time for some reason.

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At least Januzaj looks like he could have a good future at Utd, if we get him tied down to a long term contract.
 
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I ---- on him because I think he's an awful player in comparison to the hype and one of the most overrated there is, I'm sick of hearing England and Man Utd fans touting him as their savior, he is a mid-table PL player at best or a 4th or 5th choice for a team like Man Utd.

I agree when you say he does no one thing all that great which I guess is his downfall. Average players like him aren't going to win you titles. I definitely rate Henderson over him. Henderson went from being overrated and overpriced to underrated. He has had some really solid performances for Liverpool, he's been consistent in defense and even won then some games with his attacking output. Can't say that about Cleverley.
 
Both are ---- happy now ^ anyway i think Barkley will become a better player than Wilshere for me Wilshere is overrated
 

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