English Football Thread 2013/14

[StinkyBoHoon]

We've been unlucky, they've been outplayed, big difference.

yeah, unfortunately not really true though. they've been outplayed at times, most notably by man city, but they've dominated a fair few games they've dropped points on as well.

man u's defense has been very prone to howling errors that have cost them goals, it's pretty much the same situation at city with joe hart.

 

[barmyarmy]

Saw both MOTDs this weekend for the first time in a while and not impressed by Arsenal's defence.
Tend to agree that champions will come from Chelsea or City.

 

[Epic]

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Have you ever played football before?

The only person to blame was Hart, simple as that, no need for him to come steaming out like a mad man.

Like Tim Howard said on the American broadcast, "you got to let your defenders defend".

 

[Anish.]

Atleast a shout from Hart could have changed the result.

 

[KBC]

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Have you ever played football before?

The only person to blame was Hart, simple as that, no need for him to come steaming out like a mad man.

Never denied Hart wasn't rash, he's to blame for the panic but heading a ball over your keeper isn't the best thing when there's time and chance to fend the ball off. Torres wasn't too close for comfort.

Like Tim Howard said on the American broadcast, "you got to let your defenders defend".

tell that to Valdes.

 

[Epic]

Atleast a shout from Hart could have changed the result.

That's one thing Hart did right, shout for it.

Never denied Hart wasn't rash, he's to blame for the panic but heading a ball over your keeper isn't the best thing when there's time and chance to fend the ball off. Torres wasn't too close for comfort.

That's where Nastasic ----ed up, he didn't head the ball hard enough...

tell that to Valdes.

More often than not with Barca, the striker/winger/or whoever's on the counter has already beat slow-yol and slow-que.

 

[War]

BBC Sport - British Asians in football: FA steps up recruitment drive

Ha this is virtual dead end by the FA. Asians might like football in England, but the majority if not all are all for cricket. And most of them don't even support ENG in cricket - but India or PAK.

So this is not an area where a little recruitment drive isn't change things.

 

[thedon5]

BBC Sport - British Asians in football: FA steps up recruitment drive

Ha this is virtual dead end by the FA. Asians my like cricket in England, but the majority if not all are all for cricket. And most of them don't even support ENG in cricket - but India or PAK.

So this is not an area where a little recruitment drive isn't change things.

Wasn't there a Pakistani-English player in the PL five or so years ago?

That's terrible though, one player from so many immigrants is just awful output so I guess it's one sector that should be tapped into, especially with more and more Pakistanis and Indians breaking into the English cricket team.

And you are definitely right on that point about Indians and Pakistanis in England - all Indians even here such as myself (when I actually followed cricket) support India. We don't have any Pakistanis here though.

 

[War]

Wasn't there a Pakistani-English player in the PL five or so years ago?

That's terrible though, one player from so many immigrants is just awful output so I guess it's one sector that should be tapped into, especially with more and more Pakistanis and Indians breaking into the English cricket team.

And you are definitely right on that point about Indians and Pakistanis in England - all Indians even here such as myself (when I actually followed cricket) support India. We don't have any Pakistanis here though.

Not sure if he was Pakistan porn, but i recall a Michael Chopra being a notable british asian in the PL for a good few years.

But really its not terrible & i don't see why sport needs to represent the race output of a country. Its the same way with cricket & black people in England. You can't force black people to play cricket, something or some star player needs to inspire a generation of brit asians or black people to play those sports. S

Only then will the works of the sporting bodies to try get them playing at grassroots level have more participants at national level one day.

 

[SpitfiresKent]

Chopra even explored the idea of playing for India back in 2010.

 

[shravi]

You can't force black people to play cricket, something or some star player needs to inspire a generation of brit asians or black people to play those sports.

You are just making their argument for them.

The sport needs to be more accessible to these communities so that it incentivizes picking a career in that sport as opposed to whatever other avenues they may go down. There may be a star black cricket player who chooses to play football as a half-decent player (or vice versa) because there are more football clubs in his community (i.e. it's just much easier).

 

[War]

You are just making their argument for them.

The sport needs to be more accessible to these communities so that it incentivizes picking a career in that sport as opposed to whatever other avenues they may go down. There may be a star black cricket player who chooses to play football as a half-decent player (or vice versa) because there are more football clubs in his community (i.e. it's just much easier).

That's my point the situation is much deeper than a simple case of accessibility.

Its a mental and generational outlook to how black & asian brits view cricket and football.

I'm a black brit & none of my black friends my age support cricket. Some may watch - but won't look at it as a career option. I'm a unique case because of my strong west indian cricket heritage in my family & it stuck with me.

Sure cricket isn't available to play in english public schools as it is in the majority of private school (although the ECB is trying to subsidize this) - but that doesn't change the fact that most black brits view cricket as "posch/white" sport. Plus the decline of West Indies as a cricket force, which coincidentally occurred in my generations lifetime didn't help - this is why i say black brits would need a star black player to pull them back to cricket in droves.

With asians, those are my main cricket friends in UK & the large majority of them support India & Pakistan or in some cases the west indies if they were from Trinidad or Guyana. I have met very few brit asians that personally support England in cricket. The Pansears, Shah, Bopara etc etc that have played for ENG are in the minority.

So again with the default position with most brit asians to support their mother countries in cricket (the main asian supported sport in UK), just making football more accessible in asian districts won't suddenly make them patriotic and want to play for England in football.

But main point is that the theory that sport should represent the full racial make-up of multicultural society is illogical, these are social factors that sporting bodies can't control or influence to any serious effect.

 

[thedon5]

I wouldn't be surprised if Shah wanted to play for Pakistan and Bopara and Panesar wanted to play for India.

The thing is though India is a force in cricket, the same can't be said about football, you'd get young kids dreaming to play for England instead and supporting them too.

 

[Epic]

Ye it seems obvious he should try Richard at RCB. But the fact that he bought Demicheles always was bad sign for him.

There is rumour out the AS Roma want Richards in January, that would be a great choice for him.

Micah Richards eyes long Manchester City stay - ESPN FC

 

[War]

^^

Fair enough by Micah, just hope he gets more 1st team action instead of being a regular sub which will prevent him from going to Brazil.