Football Transfers Thread

Think you're overestimating his quality a lot here. This guy is very raw, he should be on loan for sure in his first season.

At this point in time, the best you can say of him is that he is perhaps the next big striker in French football. Not of Premier League quality yet, and definitely not for a team like Everton. Not even good enough as a back-up.

The winger should be your priority. 5 m+ is very steep considering you don't even buy guys ten years older than Niang for much more than that

I don't think I am at all. I think you've misinterpreted my enthusiam and what i meant by cover. At the minute our striking options are jelavic, and then who? naismith who is more of a support striker than a centre forward. Vellios also raw and a bit average, really and then Anichebe. He'd give us pace up front as an option off the bench. our team lacks pace in general. And he has bags of potential. Pace off the bench can be really effective, even with inexperienced players.

I guess it all depends on cost and if we can still manage to bring in players in the other areas we need too. If we bring in him and a first choice winger, then osman and pienaar can cover more in central positions. Not really sure how far along in his development barkley is and how much game time he can get, so we might be able to get by with the CM coverage we would then have, although it wouldn't be ideal. I'll trust moyes to get it right whatever happens.

All about risk reward really, he could develop into a really good player for us. if he doesn't we are likely to get a decent % of out investment back in resale value. I don't know mind calculated risks like this at all.
 
IF we do land Sahin and Tello, we have a second team that all but matches Kenny Dalglish's first XI last season:

Probable Liverpool first XI (IF Sahin and Tello sign):

Reina
Johnson - Skrtel - Agger - Enrique
Allen - Lucas - Sahin
Gerrard - Suarez - Borini/Tello

Liverpool second XI:

De Vries (favorites to sign him as well)
Kelly - Coates - Carragher - Robinson
Henderson - Shelvey - Adam/Spearing
Downing - Carroll - Tello/Borini/Sterling

Look at that front 6 combo - Barring Borini/Tello/Sterling, the other five were all part of Kenny's first XI on a number of occasions last season. Just had to be axed, wasn't he?
 
IF we do land Sahin and Tello, we have a second team that all but matches Kenny Dalglish's first XI last season:

Probable Liverpool first XI (IF Sahin and Tello sign):

Reina
Johnson - Skrtel - Agger - Enrique
Allen - Lucas - Sahin
Gerrard - Suarez - Borini/Tello

Liverpool second XI:

De Vries (favorites to sign him as well)
Kelly - Coates - Carragher - Robinson
Henderson - Shelvey - Adam/Spearing
Downing - Carroll - Tello/Borini/Sterling

Look at that front 6 combo - Barring Borini/Tello/Sterling, the other five were all part of Kenny's first XI on a number of occasions last season. Just had to be axed, wasn't he?

I doubt Gerrard will play as part of the front three even if Sahin is brought in. Rodgers will select three of Lucas, Gerrard, Allen, and Sahin (if he is signed) and rotate with Gerrard playing the big games, most probably.
 
Yeah, Rodgers seems to like pacy wingers for his wide-men, can't see him playing Gerrard there.

It's important to note that both Lucas and Sahin have gone a season without playing. Don't think they'll both play together, at least not at the start and the two will rotate until they get back into their match rhythm.
 
Who?

What - another striker??? Come on, Sir Alex, strengthen the team where it really needs it! RvP would be a great signing, but he's a proven talent in our league. Focus on him, and sort out some midfield players!


I guess he's attempting to bring some attractive football. You have to praise his fundamental ideas though.......
 
Who?

What - another striker??? Come on, Sir Alex, strengthen the team where it really needs it! RvP would be a great signing, but he's a proven talent in our league. Focus on him, and sort out some midfield players!

I think you really need to strengthen at the back, other than Vidic there is no one else in your defence I would be happy with at Chelsea

We have a quality back 4 in Ivanovic, Terry, Cahill, Cole, admittedly after that it is not great but I know what back 4 I prefer
 
I think the problem with depth at centre back is a bit similar to that with in goal.

It's a position which isn't really rotated much. You have you're best partnership, and barring injury/suspension and silly fixture runs, you try and play it as often as possible. You rarely sub on a CB mid match for another tactically, it's either due to injury/red card/last few minutes/someone having a mare.

So due to largely limited game tame it's hard to have top draw CB coverage. Top defenders in the prime years of their career aren't that happy to sit on the bench week in week out and collect a paycheck, those that are happy to do that aren't really the type of players you want to rely on when need.

So you need to have either promising young players, versatile cover who would do a job or maybe an older player at the end of their career.
 
My point really is not that utd need cover, I think they need a new back 4 except Vidic if he can gain pre injury form, also a decent keeper, De Gea for me is not good enough and I honestly don't see the potential that others do

I prefer the other guy they have, Danish guy I think, he looks half decent

Ferdinand is past his best, Evra also and the Brazilian twins and Evans ain't up to it

Jones is a good player, not sure what his best position is, I see him as a defensive mid

Smalling has potential yeah,,

The problem is who is there out there to get and who utd can really afford these days.
 
Evans was our best player last season, he's definitely stepped up his game. Ferdinand may be on the decline but he's still a fantastic footballer and Vidic is obviously class. Smalling could be a brilliant centre back but if he keeps being utilised as a right back I fear he could go the same way as Wes Brown. As for the full backs, given how few top class players there are in these positions I think the cover is adequate enough.
 
My point really is not that utd need cover, I think they need a new back 4 except Vidic if he can gain pre injury form, also a decent keeper, De Gea for me is not good enough and I honestly don't see the potential that others do

I prefer the other guy they have, Danish guy I think, he looks half decent

Ferdinand is past his best, Evra also and the Brazilian twins and Evans ain't up to it

Jones is a good player, not sure what his best position is, I see him as a defensive mid

Smalling has potential yeah,,

The problem is who is there out there to get and who utd can really afford these days.

Lindegaard? He did look reasonably solid when he played. De Gea is an amazing shot stopper, but he makes far too many mistakes when coming for the ball. Even at the Olympics, you could see how uncomfortable he was. De Gea remains a case of 'the jury's out' for me. Although you can't land all the blame at his feet, it is a fact that at least one of his clangers cost us the title - one less clanger would've been two or three more points.

I saw a documentary about Peter Schmeichel yesterday - best keeper I've ever seen, that guy. We were lucky to have him and Van der Sar. I don't know - De Gea did look to be settling towards the end of last season, but at the Olympics, he looked very suspect again.

I don't really agree about Evans - he really came on leaps and bounds last year. Smalling definitely has potential, Jones too. The Brazilian twins - I don't know, I've never been that convinced. We were supposed to be tracking Baines, but that's gone quiet now. It won't happen because Everton got a nice ?15m from City for Rodwell, so they don't need to sell now.
 
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De Gea was amazing in the Liga BBVA, before he moved to United. I guess he needs to adapt to the Premier League. Should be a close watch this season.
 
I don't think I am at all. I think you've misinterpreted my enthusiam and what i meant by cover. At the minute our striking options are jelavic, and then who? naismith who is more of a support striker than a centre forward. Vellios also raw and a bit average, really and then Anichebe. He'd give us pace up front as an option off the bench. our team lacks pace in general. And he has bags of potential. Pace off the bench can be really effective, even with inexperienced players.

I guess it all depends on cost and if we can still manage to bring in players in the other areas we need too. If we bring in him and a first choice winger, then osman and pienaar can cover more in central positions. Not really sure how far along in his development barkley is and how much game time he can get, so we might be able to get by with the CM coverage we would then have, although it wouldn't be ideal. I'll trust moyes to get it right whatever happens.

All about risk reward really, he could develop into a really good player for us. if he doesn't we are likely to get a decent % of out investment back in resale value. I don't know mind calculated risks like this at all.

In terms of pure cover coming in if Jelavic gets injured, and also maybe for the last ten minutes if needed, he still isn't that great.

What makes you think he is any better than Vellios and Anichebe? He is highly rated because he has pace, strength, and an eye for goal. He's also performed well at youth level and bagged a couple of goals in France. What I think is he is not the sort of signing you should be too excited about in the short term, especially as he will need to settle. Certainly, once he's older he'll surely give you a nice profit, and will improve. Shouldn't be fitting him into your XIs just yet I reckon. Plus his fee will be huge, I believe Arsenal already made an offer of 5 m, and City and Milan are interested. He'll cost a lot and will not give you enough in the short term.

Reckon a winger should be first priority, and a better back-up strike option on the cheap would be better than Niang. Then maybe Niang at the end of the window if needed.

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Lindegaard? He did look reasonably solid when he played. De Gea is an amazing shot stopper, but he makes far too many mistakes when coming for the ball. Even at the Olympics, you could see how uncomfortable he was. De Gea remains a case of 'the jury's out' for me. Although you can't land all the blame at his feet, it is a fact that at least one of his clangers cost us the title - one less clanger would've been two or three more points.

I saw a documentary about Peter Schmeichel yesterday - best keeper I've ever seen, that guy. We were lucky to have him and Van der Sar. I don't know - De Gea did look to be settling towards the end of last season, but at the Olympics, he looked very suspect again.

I don't really agree about Evans - he really came on leaps and bounds last year. Smalling definitely has potential, Jones too. The Brazilian twins - I don't know, I've never been that convinced. We were supposed to be tracking Baines, but that's gone quiet now. It won't happen because Everton got a nice ?15m from City for Rodwell, so they don't need to sell now.

Lindegaard is one of the best 2nd choice GKs in the league and his competition will surely bring the best out of De Gea.

De Gea himself isn't the best in the league, but he is good and he is so young and will surely come good. Stuff like mistakes when coming in for the ball will be fixed with experience. Not the least of United's worries.

Fletcher coming back also reduces the need for a ball-winner to an extent.

Also, all of Lee's views seem outdated. All were valid at the start of last season, but not any more. One twin isn't even at Man Utd, Evans isn't crap and Ferdinand isn't done yet. The defence isn't perfect, but it's good enough and not the first worry.
 
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Early days for Fletcher yet, he still looks a long way from being anywhere close to match-fit although obviously his recovery is looking promising at the moment.
 

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