Football Transfers Thread

[Bevab]

Legend.

Wenger plays down prospect of signings - ESPN FC

 

[MasterBlaster76]

Ye sadly. Jamie Redknapp on point with his summary on the matter here:

Newcastle should be producing local Toon talent, not a foreign legion: Jamie Redknapp | Mail Online

I said it before somewhere: not only do we need a foreigners cap, we also need a rule that means only foreigners above a certain age can be signed. Right now, England is the nursery for young foreign players - which doesn't help the National side one little bit. Our young players can learn from the RvPs, the Silvas and Agueros - what the hell can they learn from foreigners who have the same amount of experience as them?? Where are the Waddles, Shearers and Gazzas? The Linekers, the Hoddles? And even more worryingly, the Seamans, the Shiltons and the Banks?

 

[Skater]

I said it before somewhere: not only do we need a foreigners cap, we also need a rule that means only foreigners above a certain age can be signed. Right now, England is the nursery for young foreign players - which doesn't help the National side one little bit. Our young players can learn from the RvPs, the Silvas and Agueros - what the hell can they learn from foreigners who have the same amount of experience as them?? Where are the Waddles, Shearers and Gazzas? The Linekers, the Hoddles? And even more worryingly, the Seamans, the Shiltons and the Banks?

No thanks. I want to see the best players in the world in the Premier League, and we've got that. Put a 'foreigners cap' on it and all the best players will go abroad. The England team was rubbish before the influx of foreign players.

 

[MasterBlaster76]

No thanks. I want to see the best players in the world in the Premier League, and we've got that. Put a 'foreigners cap' on it and all the best players will go abroad. The England team was rubbish before the influx of foreign players.

Really? I can't believe you've just said that...

Shilton, Pearce, Barnes, Hoddle, Waddle, Lineker, Gascoigne (all from Italia 1990) and many others? They were rubbish, were they? Give me those 'rubbish' players over what we've got now any day. If the England team is ever to improve, we need a foreigners cap. Look at Spain: 60%+ of their league is from Spain and they're winning everything in sight. Us? 60%+ are foreign - that is wrong however you look at it! It's the English Premier League, not the International League! I'd like to remind you that those players came very close to the final of Italia 1990 and I reckon we would've beaten Argentina had we got there.

And I'd like to correct you: put a cap on it, and the league won't be full of substandard foreigners as it is now!

 

[Skater]

Really? I can't believe you've just said that...

Shilton, Pearce, Barnes, Hoddle, Waddle, Lineker, Gascoigne (all from Italia 1990) and many others? They were rubbish, were they? Give me those 'rubbish' players over what we've got now any day. If the England team is ever to improve, we need a foreigners cap. Look at Spain: 60%+ of their league is from Spain and they're winning everything in sight. Us? 60%+ are foreign - that is wrong however you look at it! It's the English Premier League, not the International League!

And I'd like to correct you: put a cap on it, and the league won't be full of substandard foreigners as it is now!

Italia 90 was a semi-final exist. Better than we have done in recent years, but not that special. We also got to the semis of Euro 96, after the foreign invasion, and since then we have been mostly a quarter-final side. The England team won't suddenly get better by putting a cap on foreign players.

Does your foreigner cap mean there is a cap on how many foreigners could be signed, or a cap on how many can be played in a team?

 

[ste_mc_efc]

The league isn't fair enough to implement something like this. You wouldn't see average teams signing marquee foreign players. It would benefit the top sides with top money and make it harder for the teams with smaller budgets.

The league should be looking to become more competitive with more teams having a reasonable chance of achieving something. Domestic football is more important than international football. Your typical fans follow their team all year round. While the world cup is the pinnacle of football, it's only every four years. It's not like cricket where international standard is the be all and end all. You can't weaken the domestic game to try and improve the international side as it simply isn't important enough.

Besides if a player is good enough to improve the international team they will make it. The focus should be on developing young players/kids in the academies. Obviously players do need first team football to develop but if they are that talented they will get it. It's not as if the current 27 year old equivalent of Gazza is stacking shelves because he couldn't get a game for Newcastle ahead of Emre.

 

[KBC]

I think he refers to both, but the latter is unlikely. Look at QPR, they're a mess. Straight as.

 

[ste_mc_efc]

Also looks like we are signign Leroy Fer. Been aware of him for ages thanks to FM but i've actually watched him a few times in the europa league. He should turn out to be an excellent signing, although will presumably take a year or so to adapt and become a key player.

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I think he refers to both, but the latter is unlikely. Look at QPR, they're a mess. Straight as.

They have bought/have some english players that are dross too.

How well have anton ferdinand and jay bothroyd (an england international, no less) done for them in the premier league?

What about rob green? Bobby zamora. Andy johnson. Nedum Onuhoa.

Granted they have bought a lot of average foreign players, but you get more bang for your buck with foreign players. We have probably the best league in the world. We don't produce enough english talent to keep the league at that level. While the top sides can buy and attract the top foreign talent (i don't mean messi/ronaldo, more like top x%) it won't change as clubs need to get the best value for their money to try and compete.

 

[KBC]

Yesterday's FA cup results were part of the evidence Steve would be referring to. They were not fringe vs fringe type games either. MK Dons, Luton town, Brentford, Oldham and Leeds to a good extent. Their squads boast of pure brits and all good about academy youths quite simply because that's their only way out and the only way they can afford to progress.

A string of these results mean something, and not fielding their full strength squads is just an excuse for bigger teams to get away with.

That's the loophole to look at anyway. It speaks of how tight the way it is for the local players up to the first team at big clubs.

Less game time and Star studded line-ups would only get you lacklustre results. Reserve games are not competitive enough to an extent. I think a cap on foreign players is still a far off idea but isn't a bad place to begin with to sort out the overpowering domination with giant clubs, and bring about a certain mix in English top division football.

 

[ste_mc_efc]

I'm not against a cap per se. Just it can't be implemented as the league is structured now. It would have to be along with other more widespread changes.


Also not sure how we have the money for Fer. Probably a ---- or bust thing to try and get 4th. Or moyes has held the club to ransom for funds before signing a new contract. Or it's an advance of sorts on a future fee for fellaini.

Or rather we are probably going to finish top 6 and have budgeted for 8th or something and the extra money from that combined with the new tv deal and still having a negative spend since the arteta sale

 

[Bevab]

That's the loophole to look at anyway. It speaks of how tight the way it is for the local players up to the first team at big clubs.

Jose Baxter of Oldham is one good example. Frustrated with life at Everton, now at Oldham and clearly enjoying his football due to first-team opportunities.

 

[Haarithan]

And he is a Liverpool fan too. Would take him anyday over Borini.

BBC Sport - Oldham v Liverpool: Jose Baxter thrilled at FA Cup meeting

 

[ste_mc_efc]

Lol. one game and baxter is suddentl a world beater then? right.

He basically wasn't good enough. We did offer him a new contract but he turned it down because he thinks he's far better than he is. Palaca chose not to sign him after a trial as he was unfit. He's a nightmare off the pitch. Loads of dodgy scouse mates, infinite rumours that he loves the beak and he got arrested on charges related to dealing marijuana and possessing counterfeit money,

But he had a few decent 30 yard shots on telly so now would be the next Gazza if it wasn't for pienaar or some other johnny foreigener keeping him out of the team. right.

 

[Haarithan]

Lol. one game and baxter is suddentl a world beater then? right.

He happens to have had a very good season for Oldham according to one of his fans - who had this to say, before our game:

'Which LFC player do I rate? Wisdom' - Liverpool FC

Who makes Oldham tick?

Former Everton wonderkid Jose Baxter. Real quality at this level, likes to pick the ball up and run with it and can spot a good pass. He recently signed a two-and-a-half-year deal with us. Top player who sadly, I imagine, will not be with us come September.

Not saying Baxter is anywhere close to being a 'world beater', just highlighting my personal opinion as to how Borini's completely useless.

 

[Skater]

Not saying Baxter is anywhere close to being a 'world beater', just highlighting my personal opinion as to how Borini's completely useless.

He isn't though. He was excellent for Swansea in the year they got promoted. Maybe he's just a Championship player rather than a Premier League player.