Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows

[ZoraxDoom]

The final chapter was written years ago, before the first book even, hence it doesn't mention Luna, the rest of the Weaslys, The Dursleys, Cho and such other side characters. She didn't plan what would happen to them.
But the who scene about Snape is good. I saw that coming in the last book, but it was so beautifully written. And if you think back to the first book and his opinions at the end of it, and the the last chapter, wow.

The things I didn't like were :
1) Just introducing the Hallows out of the blue. If they were mentioned in earlier editions, but just in passing, then it would have been a very good ending. But this just seemed a bit silly.
2) The Ravenclaw Diedem being the 6th horocrux. Again, wasn't mentioned enough earlier bar that one time 'ThHe bust with the silly wig and tiara' thing.
3) Fred, Lupin and Tonks dying. :crying
4) The whole loopy thing and the way he face Voldy to get the wand. Just seemed so 'done' before, y'know? Faces the major evil all calm like some giant hero. I didn't really believe Harry was that brave, but then again, the confrontation with Dumbledore must have made him that way.
5) Dumbledore crying. Bit sad, didn't see that coming, didn't like it.

But the great parts were:
1) The way Harry walks to his death
2) Snape's memories.
3) The last chapter. Once I heard it was written many years ago, I found it very good.

I always thought that Aberforth was the barsman a Hogsmeade, didn't believe it would actually be true!

But Rowling did lie a bit in the pre-release interviews. Lilly's eyes weren't very important. It was more that Lilly was his mom. And only 2 major character didn't die. 4 did. Also, no one did magic late in life, did they? Or did I miss something?

Hermoine was made to look brill in this book, and I wish she could have told us what happened to the lives and careers of Harry, Ron, Hermoine, Ginny, Luna, rest of the Weaslys (Especially George withough Fred) and the rest of Voldemorts supporters. I also imagine that Harry wouldn't be able to live a normal life, what with vanquisihing Voldy, being the hero and saving the whole world. Must have become an instant celebrity, how could he live with it? Maybe lived out with the Muggles for a while...

I got the book as it released, and stayed up fir 36 hours. Read it in like 29 hours, before sleeping

Oh, and yea, I have a problem too.
My understanding is that when he killed Harry, he damaged the container of one of his Horocruxes, hence destroying it, but Harry's soul still lived.
There is Question 1: how did he return then? Is it because he possed all 3 Hallows rightly?
And he returns, with his body apparantly unscathed. We also lear that the killing curse doesn't harm the body.
So Question 2: How did the Horocrucx in Harry get destryoed if the body wasn't harmed?

Also, I always wanted Neville to torture Bellatrix, and make here go insane like his parents. I always figured he would in the end. Ah well.

 

[sohum]

Zorax, when you say that the last chapter was written years ago, do you mean the epilogue (Nineteen Years Later) or the actual last chapter (the one where all the action happens)?

1. But when he used it in the forest, harry didnt knew that he was the true owner of the elder wand, and tom riddle's curse did not rebound, but since the spell was a killing curse, the wand couldnt kill its own master, but it killed the part of voldermort's soul living in harry(which made him a horcrux) since that soul didnt belong to his master. That was the thing that must have given voldemort a blow.

Let me clarify here. I thought Harry was in possession of the Elder Wand, because this was actually Draco's wand (which Snape had used to kill Dumbledore) and that Harry had then taken by overpowering Draco at he Malfoy's house. This means that the wand used by Voldemort was actually just Dumbledore's wand. I do not know why that wand did not kill Harry--I tend to agree with Zorax when I think Harry was the master of death, having united the Deathly Hallows.

Secondly, I believe Harry won the duel at the end because he was using the Elder Wand (Draco's wand) and thus overpowered Voldemort's spell.

However, my analysis has a huge hole: How did Malfoy procure this wand? From what I understand Dumbledore acquired it by defeating Grindelwald and taking it from him. And if Dumbledore defeated Grindelwald, who was supposed to have the Elder Wand, how did he win a duel against him? Or is it that Grindelwald never actually had the Elder Wand and was just lying about it.

Gosh I'm confused, I think I need to read all 7,000 odd pages again.

 

[Gilly Fan]

Meh, Scrimgeour disgusts me more than other characters, plus he's more like a secondary character.



Yeah, he has to go down to my list of heroes of Harry Potter too. But Did anyone else notice that Voldemort's curse on the position of the Defence Against the Dark Arts lasted for each of the years represented in the novel, and no teacher appointed for the subject lasted for more than a year?

Yeah, I noticed that after the 3rd movie. I didn't know it was a spell though? Why'd he put a spell on them?

 

[PhilD123]

I finished it finally at about half 1 this morning. Now some people will probably say that it was a weak ending, because none of the main characters died. Personally, I loved the ending.

Things I liked

Finding out Snape was working for Dumbledore and his memories
Potterwatch!
Epilogue

Things I disliked

Fred dying
Dobby/Hedwig dying
Ron leaving them

 

[Highlander999]

I have just finished as well, and I would not say it was the best but it was very good.
Do you think she will continue, using Harry and Ron's kids or will she keep to her word and end it here?

 

[sohum]

I have just finished as well, and I would not say it was the best but it was very good.
Do you think she will continue, using Harry and Ron's kids or will she keep to her word and end it here?

I think she'll end it. Or I hope she does. I cannot afford to give her any more of my money.

 

[ZoraxDoom]

Zorax, when you say that the last chapter was written years ago, do you mean the epilogue (Nineteen Years Later) or the actual last chapter (the one where all the action happens)?


Let me clarify here. I thought Harry was in possession of the Elder Wand, because this was actually Draco's wand (which Snape had used to kill Dumbledore) and that Harry had then taken by overpowering Draco at he Malfoy's house. This means that the wand used by Voldemort was actually just Dumbledore's wand. I do not know why that wand did not kill Harry--I tend to agree with Zorax when I think Harry was the master of death, having united the Deathly Hallows.

Secondly, I believe Harry won the duel at the end because he was using the Elder Wand (Draco's wand) and thus overpowered Voldemort's spell.

However, my analysis has a huge hole: How did Malfoy procure this wand? From what I understand Dumbledore acquired it by defeating Grindelwald and taking it from him. And if Dumbledore defeated Grindelwald, who was supposed to have the Elder Wand, how did he win a duel against him? Or is it that Grindelwald never actually had the Elder Wand and was just lying about it.

Gosh I'm confused, I think I need to read all 7,000 odd pages again.

The epilogue.


And what happens is this:

Dubledore's wand = Elder wand
Draco dis-arms Dumbledore with his own wand, so the Elder wand is now his (Book 6, just before Dumbledore is killed) The Elder wand then flies off the tower, and is not heard for the rest of the book. Draco still has his own wand.
Harry disarms and takes Draco's wand in Malfoy's house (Book 7). By doing so he not only aquired Draco's wand, but the Elder wand too, as he defeated it's earlier owner, although neither him nor Draco knew it.
Voldy took the Elder wand from Dumbledore's grave. But it doesn't work for him.
He thinks the wand belongs to Snape cause Snape killed Dumbledore, and so kills Snape. This is wrong for two reasons: 1) Dumbledore is already dying, so if someone kills him, it doesn't count, and 2) Draco disarmed Dumbledore first, so the wand was Draco's when Dumbledore was killed.
So, in the final confrontation, we see Harry explain this to Voldy, and so he is actually the rightful owner of the Elder wand.

But my questions still stand unanswered:
My understanding is that when he killed Harry, he damaged the container of one of his Horocruxes, hence destroying it, but Harry's soul still lived.
There is Question 1: how did he return then? Is it because he possed all 3 Hallows rightly?
And he returns, with his body apparantly unscathed. We also lear that the killing curse doesn't harm the body.
So Question 2: How did the Horocrucx in Harry get destryoed if the body wasn't harmed?

Probably ans 1) is the Hallows, but I'm not sure. I'm gonna re-read some parts of book 7 when my sister is done with it...

 

[Kshitiz_Indian]

Zorax, when you say that the last chapter was written years ago, do you mean the epilogue (Nineteen Years Later) or the actual last chapter (the one where all the action happens)?


Let me clarify here. I thought Harry was in possession of the Elder Wand, because this was actually Draco's wand (which Snape had used to kill Dumbledore) and that Harry had then taken by overpowering Draco at he Malfoy's house. This means that the wand used by Voldemort was actually just Dumbledore's wand. I do not know why that wand did not kill Harry--I tend to agree with Zorax when I think Harry was the master of death, having united the Deathly Hallows.

Secondly, I believe Harry won the duel at the end because he was using the Elder Wand (Draco's wand) and thus overpowered Voldemort's spell.

However, my analysis has a huge hole: How did Malfoy procure this wand? From what I understand Dumbledore acquired it by defeating Grindelwald and taking it from him. And if Dumbledore defeated Grindelwald, who was supposed to have the Elder Wand, how did he win a duel against him? Or is it that Grindelwald never actually had the Elder Wand and was just lying about it.

Gosh I'm confused, I think I need to read all 7,000 odd pages again.

You got it much wrong lol Sohum.

Actually, Dumbledore had a wand BEFORE he took the elder wand from Grindelwall. He took the want from him not for power, but for the pure reason that grindelwall would misuse it. But since that day dumbledore started to use that wand. He became the true master of that wand because he beat the earlier master, and not kill him. grindelwall was still alive in the story.

Now when dumbledore was dying, although snape killed him, but somehow, malfoy became the master. Why ? Because it was only necessary to beat someone, not kill him. I think malfoy had used some spell on dumbledore before he thought to kill him.

From that day, Draco Malfoy was the true owner of the wand. I mean, even though the wand wasnt in his posession, it was WITH DUMBLEDORE in his grave, but he was the master of the wand.

Now when harry disarmed malfoy, he defeated him, and the wand recognised a new master. Even though harry didnt have it, it had RECOGNISED a new master, since its old master was beaten. WANDS choose the wizard, not the other way round.

Voldemort got it all wrong. He thought that by killing snape the wand would become his, since snape killed dumbledore. but at that time, HARRY was the true master of the wand, since he had disarmed draco. Even though the wand was in voldemorts hand, it belonged to harry, and that was the reason it didnt work out well from him.

Also, in the final duel, harry was using the wand which DRACO MALFOY had since his childhood, and not the elder wand. The elder wand was in Voldemorts hands. Voldemort fired the Killing curse through it, and harry fired the disarming curse. Two things happened simultaneously at that time.

1. Voldemorts curse was rebounded because harry was the master of the wand, and therefore the wand could not kill its own master. and so, his curse rebounded.

2. Since voldemorts curse was rebounded, the disarming charm from harry took effect, and the elder wand flew of voldemorts hands. And voldemort was dead by his own curse - and he had no more horcruxes to come back woohoo end of story lol.

I hope i made it clear, or i didnt ?

But my questions still stand unanswered:
My understanding is that when he killed Harry, he damaged the container of one of his Horocruxes, hence destroying it, but Harry's soul still lived.
There is Question 1: how did he return then? Is it because he possed all 3 Hallows rightly?
And he returns, with his body apparantly unscathed. We also lear that the killing curse doesn't harm the body.

I'll explain this.
When in the forest, he attempted to kill harry, he used the killing curse. First keep it in mind that wands are not auto locking mechanisms - they fire the spell in a direction, and not for someone. And so, voldemort fired the curse, WITH THE ELDER WAND. But as i explained above, the elder wand belonged to Harry, he was its owner. So the wand's curse could not kill its own master, but it could kill voldemort. And since some part of voldy's soul was living in harry, the spell killed that part. Again remember, even though voldy's fired the curse, he was not the owner of the wand.

That answers the second question. But the answer to the first question is a mixed one. It may be due to the hallows, i mean he never intended to use them, but at that time, he was the owner of all three, and it may have happened that he unknowingly had their power.

Option B would be that since the wand could not kill harry, harry remain untouched.

 

[ZoraxDoom]

Ah, that explains it! The spell didn't go for Harry, but for the horocrux! Brilliant. And I guess harry did have the power of the Hallows after all...

 

[Kshitiz_Indian]

Ah, that explains it! The spell didn't go for Harry, but for the horocrux! Brilliant. And I guess harry did have the power of the Hallows after all...

Who's brilliant ? Rowling or me ? :laugh

 

[Skater]

I have a lot of reading to do, I abandoned the 5th book (Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix) half way through, so I have 2 and a half books to read!

 

[zain1612]

man i didnt ever think it was going to end like that

lupin and tonks die Fred dies

the end was quite good

 

[Gilly Fan]

So is Voldemort actually Tom Riddle? Tom Riddle was in the Goblet of Fire movie wasn't he? Or was it the prisoner of azkaban?

 

[Cricketman]

So is Voldemort actually Tom Riddle? Tom Riddle was in the Goblet of Fire movie wasn't he? Or was it the prisoner of azkaban?

We found out that Tom Riddle was Voldermort in Harry Potter and The Chamber of Secrets-Book 2, lol. :

Good book. Needed to re read the ending nbut very very clever.
yes, I do think that rowling has left some spots in the book "Open" so to speak, for future novels.
Maybe for the adventures of the kids..

Fred dieing sucked. So did Lupin and Tonks, right after they got a kid as well!!
Sad.
Anyone know what Harry does for a living in the future? Is he an Auror?

 

[Gilly Fan]

We found out that Tom Riddle was Voldermort in Harry Potter and The Chamber of Secrets-Book 2, lol. :

Good book. Needed to re read the ending nbut very very clever.
yes, I do think that rowling has left some spots in the book "Open" so to speak, for future novels.
Maybe for the adventures of the kids..

Fred dieing sucked. So did Lupin and Tonks, right after they got a kid as well!!
Sad.
Anyone know what Harry does for a living in the future? Is he an Auror?

Oh ok. My bad.