ICC Cricket World Cup - May/July 2019

[abhi_jacko]

<untjay Manjrekar is being blasted on twitter! I hope his employers take note.

Haha

How creative..

 

[Master Khan]

I just think New Zealand got lucky at the end, Because of 1 really bad performance from Pakistan against West Indies and that rain affected match against Sri Lanka cost them at the end, New Zealand got lucky against India and got a point and they got beat by the stronger teams but made it to the semi-Finals, but we will see if Pakistan can beat Bangladesh if not then New Zealand deserve it.

 

[wasteyouryouth]

Here's a counter argument - a team who wins 3-4 matches on a trot has an off day against the next opposition. It loses by a big margin. Both teams end up with the same points at the conclusion of the group stage.

If head to head is given preference then you're punishing the first team for being unlucky on that day. But with NRR the team has a chance to correct it over its future matches. With head to head, you don't have that.

A team should be punished for losing. Your argument would say Pakistan are being punished for being unlucky against the West Indies. So were they 'lucky' against New Zealand but that means nothing? If you really think an off day should be ignored then they should take out the best and worst results of each team in the NRR calculation.

Everyone knows the rule when you go in, fine, I think the rules are flawed. Apart from a bit of nostalgia for the format being similar to 1992 I see it as really poor way to have a World Cup. What could be an exciting game for neutrals, a nervy game for Pakistan and England fans turned into a match that is largely meaningless.

 

[abhi_jacko]

Afg v WI

Dead rubber between the two most disappointing teams this world cup. AFG were still very competitive, but the lack of experience played against them in closing out games against the big fish, even though they came so close

WI though have disappointed big time. They came in with a lot of hype. Thrashed Pakistan. And then almost pulled off a win against Australia. But nothing to show since then. Bowlers seemed one dimensional relying on the short ball tactic. Batsmen did not deliver what they promised. Especially Gayle, who couldnt even pull off a single win despite being the self proclaimed universe boss. Dre Russ did well with the ball, but was abysmal with the bat going for horrible shots at the wrong time. Just goes to show, in such a long tournament, you cant survive solely on one or two characters. You need an overall talented side instead

 

[asprin]

A team should be punished for losing. Your argument would say Pakistan are being punished for being unlucky against the West Indies. So were they 'lucky' against New Zealand but that means nothing? If you really think an off day should be ignored then they should take out the best and worst results of each team in the NRR calculation.

Everyone knows the rule when you go in, fine, I think the rules are flawed. Apart from a bit of nostalgia for the format being similar to 1992 I see it as really poor way to have a World Cup. What could be an exciting game for neutrals, a nervy game for Pakistan and England fans turned into a match that is largely meaningless.

All I'm saying is that NRR rewards consistency whereas head to head rewards whoever ends up lucky on that day. I'm referring to the luck part because should there be a re-match between Pakistan and England, I'm certain that the majority of people would bet on England coming up on top.

 

[wasteyouryouth]

All I'm saying is that NRR rewards consistency whereas head to head rewards whoever ends up lucky on that day. I'm referring to the luck part because should there be a re-match between Pakistan and England, I'm certain that the majority of people would bet on England coming up on top.

You seem to be saying the only game where luck comes in into is the one that matters, between two teams that would finish on the same points. All the other games are about consistency. So every game between sides who finish on the same points automatically becomes devalued and is about luck rather than one team being better than the other.

If you want to reward consistency then the World Cup should just be another bilateral series between the top two teams in the ICC rankings. All the other teams are not consistent enough to deserve a chance and if they won a game against a higher ranked it'd just be because they've been lucky.

 

[asprin]

You seem to be saying the only game where luck comes in into is the one that matters, between two teams that would finish on the same points.

Not entirely true. I'm saying luck comes into play when a team that is significantly stronger than the opposition happens to get defeated on that particular day as was the case with England vs Pakistan. So if there is 1 spot left, I would pick England because they have been more consistent with their performance/wins rather than Pakistan just because they happened to have caused an upset earlier.

 

[wasteyouryouth]

Not entirely true. I'm saying luck comes into play when a team that is significantly stronger than the opposition happens to get defeated on that particular day as was the case with England vs Pakistan. So if there is 1 spot left, I would pick England because they have been more consistent with their performance/wins rather than Pakistan just because they happened to have caused an upset earlier.

I can't be bothered debating it anymore, I've made my points. It's one more flaw or an already flawed tournament.

Last thing I will say is: if the roles were reversed, and India found themselves in Pakistan's situation, I think the support for NRR being a good way to separate teams would plummet.

 

[NILAYSHAH60]

if the roles were reversed, and India found themselves in Pakistan's situation, I think the support for NRR being a good way to separate teams would plummet.

Again disagree with it. We don't support our team's poor performance. We are equally critical of poor performances and do praise good performances

 

[asprin]

Last thing I will say is: if the roles were reversed, and India found themselves in Pakistan's situation, I think the support for NRR being a good way to separate teams would plummet.

Cant say for others, but I would still stand by it. You consistently lose poorly, you pay. Wanna make up for it? Win strongly consistently.

 

[CerealKiller]

Not entirely true. I'm saying luck comes into play when a team that is significantly stronger than the opposition happens to get defeated on that particular day as was the case with England vs Pakistan. So if there is 1 spot left, I would pick England because they have been more consistent with their performance/wins rather than Pakistan just because they happened to have caused an upset earlier.

But if those teams end up with equal points, then how can you say that one was more consistent than the other?

 

[wasteyouryouth]

But if those teams end up with equal points, then how can you say that one was more consistent than the other?

Because reasons.

 

[NILAYSHAH60]

But if those teams end up with equal points, then how can you say that one was more consistent than the other?

I like at it differently. Better run-rate suggests team lost more closer matches. Pakistan could've made up for the poor run-rate in their next match against England where they scored 348. Pakistan hasn't done that well this WC to deserve a spot in the top 4 as compared to NZ. And Pakistan were bowled out for 107 against Windies and comprehensively lost that match. On the other hand NZ beat Windies in a close match. Ends the debate [DOUBLEPOST=1562231677][/DOUBLEPOST]@themusketeer also brought up this argument during 2015 IPL. Refer 2015 IPL thread to enlighten yourself a bit more on this topic

 

[wasteyouryouth]

I like at it differently. Better run-rate suggests team lost more closer matches. Pakistan could've made up for the poor run-rate in their next match against England where they scored 348. Pakistan hasn't done that well this WC to deserve a spot in the top 4 as compared to NZ. And Pakistan were bowled out for 107 against Windies and comprehensively lost that match. On the other hand NZ beat Windies in a close match. Ends the debate

But New Zealand haven't beaten any of the semi finalists. Pakistan have beaten two of them. I'd say, on balance that makes Pakistan's world cup more successful (if they beat Bangladesh).

 

[Master Khan]

While NRR don't really bother me as I think Pakistan have been really poor at the start this world cup but these rain affected matches is what bothers me, they need to find a other date for these matches to be played.