ICC Cricket World Cup - May/July 2019

[ShamiLoverGlipGlops]

Just watched the highlights between New Zealand and Afghanistan and I must say that I have not seen such poor cricket from them ever. No will, no application, no fight, nothing. Rashid and Mujeeb are now playable and batsman have got the it right now against them playing them in all the T20's in the world.

They need their captain back in Asghar Afghan. Why is he not playing is beyond me when their middle order looks so weak and now more depleted with Shahzad out.[DOUBLEPOST=1560039227][/DOUBLEPOST]People suggesting a champions trophy annually, what will be difference now that WC is 10 team tournament? Only West Indies and Afghanistan will not play if it was going to happen now.. What good would it do?

 

[NILAYSHAH60]

I agree with CricketQ20 that England seem to be getting mostly the best of the batting tracks whereas the other countries seem to get sporting tracks.

If someone would come and say that India won the 2011 WC with helpful tracks on offer for the side and also they failed to take the advantage of similar tracks in 2016 WT20, then how would you feel as an Indian ? If I go by that perception definitely I won't be pleased as an Indian. Same is the case with England.

 

[Bevab]

Just watched the highlights between New Zealand and Afghanistan and I must say that I have not seen such poor cricket from them ever. No will, no application, no fight, nothing. Rashid and Mujeeb are now playable and batsman have got the it right now against them playing them in all the T20's in the world.

They need their captain back in Asghar Afghan. Why is he not playing is beyond me when their middle order looks so weak and now more depleted with Shahzad out.[DOUBLEPOST=1560039227][/DOUBLEPOST]People suggesting a champions trophy annually, what will be difference now that WC is 10 team tournament? Only West Indies and Afghanistan will not play if it was going to happen now.. What good would it do?

This here is exactly why I dislike the current format. It feels less of a spectacle with a wider variety of teams. There has been only four extra teams in comparison with the Asia Cup. Also, the format of a cup tournament is supposed to encourage more of the luck factor and upsets that are actually meaningful. Bangladesh could defeat South Africa and even another bigger team, but it would all be ultimately futile as they are unlikely to qualify for the semis barring a massive underperformance from one of the current predicted top 4. There’s already a planned ODI league for the sake of high, competitive games. Let this format belong there and not in a global event like this.

Sure, a game like India vs an associate might not be interesting to some of us, Indian fans. But it would be a lot more interesting to fans of the associate team, who are more likely to watch their team play against a giant team in the biggest cricket event. That is how you generate interest and grow the game of cricket, not by forming a closed system where even two test teams aren’t in the tournament. Also, I don’t think associate teams are an easy pushover these days. Hong Kong very nearly surprised India a year ago, Scotland defeated England recently and the Windies were extremely lucky to even qualify for the WC in the first place. Bangladesh has developed to this extent largely because they had the right exposure in these tournaments for years without which they would still be the same old nervous wreck that they once were. No amount of bilateral or trilateral series’ versus other teams would ever bring in that kind of experience. Given that Australia scheduled a test series versus them and then cancelled it later on anyway (and this is a side that drew their home series versus the Aussies) I doubt that they would be given much importance for scheduling.

It’s a shame that when other sports like football are actively trying to widen their competition’s playing pool, we have cricket which is regressing. I also agree that ODIs in the present day are not really interesting, a lot of the pitches in this tournament are being addressed as ‘bowler-friendly’ only because of recency bias with how flat pitches in England have been for a while. A team from the 2000s or 1990s would easily score 300 plus on these pitches, as they would start cautiously and up the ante only once the ball becomes slightly old instead of losing wickets in a flurry under the slightest hints of swing or turn and ending up having to salvage an innings.

 

[NILAYSHAH60]

This here is exactly why I dislike the current format. It feels less of a spectacle with a wider variety of teams. There has been only four extra teams in comparison with the Asia Cup. Also, the format of a cup tournament is supposed to encourage more of the luck factor and upsets that are actually meaningful. Bangladesh could defeat South Africa and even another bigger team, but it would all be ultimately futile as they are unlikely to qualify for the semis barring a massive underperformance from one of the current predicted top 4. There’s already a planned ODI league for the sake of high, competitive games. Let this format belong there and not in a global event like this.

Sure, a game like India vs an associate might not be interesting to some of us, Indian fans. But it would be a lot more interesting to fans of the associate team, who are more likely to watch their team play against a giant team in the biggest cricket event. That is how you generate interest and grow the game of cricket, not by forming a closed system where even two test teams aren’t in the tournament. Also, I don’t think associate teams are an easy pushover these days. Hong Kong very nearly surprised India a year ago, Scotland defeated England recently and the Windies were extremely lucky to even qualify for the WC in the first place. Bangladesh has developed to this extent largely because they had the right exposure in these tournaments for years without which they would still be the same old nervous wreck that they once were. No amount of bilateral or trilateral series’ versus other teams would ever bring in that kind of experience. Given that Australia scheduled a test series versus them and then cancelled it later on anyway (and this is a side that drew their home series versus the Aussies) I doubt that they would be given much importance for scheduling.

It’s a shame that when other sports like football are actively trying to widen their competition’s playing pool, we have cricket which is regressing. I also agree that ODIs in the present day are not really interesting, a lot of the pitches in this tournament are being addressed as ‘bowler-friendly’ only because of recency bias with how flat pitches in England have been for a while. A team from the 2000s or 1990s would easily score 300 plus on these pitches, as they would start cautiously and up the ante only once the ball becomes slightly old instead of losing wickets in a flurry under the slightest hints of swing or turn and ending up having to salvage an innings.

Finally people have realised that getting quick runs is not as important as saving wickets and then go big at the end.

 

[ShamiLoverGlipGlops]

Has Dhoni upped the anti? Kohli is making brilliant decisions.. wonder how?

 

[Bigby Wolf]

Oh finally the forum is back.[DOUBLEPOST=1560075686][/DOUBLEPOST]Looks like a very slow and dry wicket as if the match is in Chennai not London.

 

[NILAYSHAH60]

Oh finally the forum is back.[DOUBLEPOST=1560075686][/DOUBLEPOST]Looks like a very slow and dry wicket as if the match is in Chennai not London.

Yes, it feels like anything above 280 would be a real tough chase

 

[NILAYSHAH60]

Has Dhoni upped the anti? Kohli is making brilliant decisions.. wonder how?

IPL effect

 

[Bigby Wolf]

Meanwhile Shikhar 'ICC' Dhawan is back! Just looks a different player in 50 over ICC tournament.

 

[NILAYSHAH60]

Oh finally the forum is back

BTW when & where did it go ?

 

[MaBaker]

Going to be chasing 350+

 

[Bigby Wolf]

Yes, it feels like anything above 280 would be a real tough chase

And our two spinners on a dry wicket will be a real threat to any team.[DOUBLEPOST=1560077052][/DOUBLEPOST]

BTW when & where did it go ?

Was Down for couple of hours database or server issues.

 

[ShamiLoverGlipGlops]

And our two spinners on a dry wicket will be a real threat to any team.[DOUBLEPOST=1560077052][/DOUBLEPOST]
Was Down for couple of hours database or server issues.

Yup, messaged Mattw and I think thats when it came up.

Well played Dhawan, after breakfast with champions episode, I wanted Dhawan to succeed. He is such a decent character.

This is a slow pitch but definitely its a 300+ wicket. Its flat and has nothing in for the bowlers at all. Would be interesting to see how it behaves as India reach the final overs.

 

[MaBaker]

This will be 350+ not 300+ don't you worry.

 

[ShamiLoverGlipGlops]

Fantastic innings from Shikhar, last 15 overs and we should now accelerate. Anything less than 350 would be unacceptable seeing we are just 1 down for 200 odd.