ICC Cricket World Cup - May/July 2019

Who will be crowned the ODI World Champion?


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SiriusBlack

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That is what happens when you have nothing to lose. Bangladesh don't care at all to lose to Afghanistan as they aren't a side that has achieved a lot in Cricket and the brand of fearless Cricket they play is just amazing !!

That's just discrediting this Bangladesh side. This team has had a mental block for years and years and this confidence is a result of all the experience they've gotten over the years, not because they don't care about losing. They know they have the quality to make the top 4 and they're going for it, and they have a lot to lose here.
 

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That's just discrediting this Bangladesh side. This team has had a mental block for years and years and this confidence is a result of all the experience they've gotten over the years, not because they don't care about losing. They know they have the quality to make the top 4 and they're going for it, and they have a lot to lose here.

It's not about discrediting a side. This side hasn't done well in tournaments in the past and suddenly they had a good WC back in 2015, and a decent enough Champions Trophy in 2017. Though they did struggle in 2016 WT20 but overall they done decently well. Again when they come against a good team they won't care if they lose as they know they can always get better. People won't come and call it as a upset when Afghanistan would beat Bangladesh. But if any of the top sides would lose then it is going to be a big upset and teams fear this upset factor. As an Indian fan I can clearly say that we would definitely mind an upset and would hurt us a lot. As a neutral fan what I know is Bangladesh has played better than what India did in their match against Afghanistan.One day this side would enter a tournament as favourites but still there is a lot of work left which needs to be done to make Bangladesh a top side in the world.
 

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According to Osman Samiuddin (Cricinfo senior editor, has covered Pak for 2 decades, so he's way above our cheap media), Sarfraz and coaches believe Haris is our 2nd best batsman after Babar, but Inzi imposed Malik and Hafeez on them, with maybe the board's backing. That also makes it clear that he's behind Imam's constant selection.

Because hafeez and Malik are Inzamam's era friends lol. I remember Inzy tried hard to induct Kamran Akmal back in the squad, But we were saved by coach, captain and Kamran's bad performance against Windies
 

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That's just discrediting this Bangladesh side. This team has had a mental block for years and years and this confidence is a result of all the experience they've gotten over the years, not because they don't care about losing. They know they have the quality to make the top 4 and they're going for it, and they have a lot to lose here.

There is an obsession in some fans about losing to certain teams. You should just ignore it. I would definitely give credit to Bangladesh if they beat India and not be sour about it. I personally, honestly feel that Bangladesh are playing their best cricket they ever have and would be deserved semi finalists if they make it. In fact, I think Bangladesh is the only team alongside India that has played to it's full potential.
 

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Because hafeez and Malik are Inzamam's era friends lol. I remember Inzy tried hard to induct Kamran Akmal back in the squad, But we were saved by coach, captain and Kamran's bad performance against Windies
Well if that's true then Inzamam should be removed, he can't just pick his friends or seniors over talented players.
it's about time we think about our team and country then just senior players who have long pass it now e.g Shoaib Malik and Hafeez.
 

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There is an obsession in some fans about losing to certain teams.

Don't know from where this is coming from but I didn't really meant to say that. I meant they aren't feared of losing unless they are playing their best Cricket. Anyways no point in explaining in anything. :rolleyes
 

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Just going to insert a post of mine that I wrote a few days ago. What do you guys think? @Bevab @SaiSrini @LiveLoveABD

I know there were a lot of talks about whether Amla should be named in the WC squad or not because hw as struggling with his form and Reeza Hendricks was the frontrunner to replace him. I think he will be drafted in straight away in their ODI line-up after the WC. I have a lot of time for both Markram and Rassie because even though they are quite inexperiance at the international level, they have shown enough in their little career that they can be trusted. De kock has already made a name for himself in the world. Even though Faf said he isn't retiring after this WC, I am really not sure if he will make it to the next WC. As I said before, they have invested a lot of time in Miller but hasn't got much in return. Maybe time to look at someone else, someone like Heinrich Klassen? Miller can of course stay in contention since he is already so experienced and he is still 29. However, someone definitely needs to put their hand up to challenge him for that spot. I also liked the way Theunis de Bruyn played in that test series against Australia. I don't think he can play that finisher role but definitely someone to look out for in top 4 if they are building an 11 for next WC.

This would be my team for South Africa after WC. Of course I don't follow South Africa's domestic cricket very closely so I might have missed out on few names who might be closer to the national squad then the ones I have mentioned here. However, this list is based on the players that I have seen and the ones who can actually realistically make it to the next WC.


Reeza Hendricks
De kock
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Faf/ Theunis de Bruyn
Rassie
Klassen/Miller
Phehlukwayo/Wiaan Mulder
KG
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Shamsi/ Maharaj
Hendricks/Nortje
 

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Afghanistan went on from playing fearless cricket pre world cup to really fearful cricket in the world cup. Whatever politics happened before WC is really hurting them.
 

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There is an obsession in some fans about losing to certain teams. You should just ignore it. I would definitely give credit to Bangladesh if they beat India and not be sour about it. I personally, honestly feel that Bangladesh are playing their best cricket they ever have and would be deserved semi finalists if they make it. In fact, I think Bangladesh is the only team alongside India that has played to it's full potential.

I mean, I wouldn't be very pleased if we lost to Afghanistan. You need to beat the less strong sides to do well in a tournament. I don't think Afghanistan is a bad team but we have to take advantage of the games where we have an upper. It's not about preventing an upset or being obsessed about losing to certain teams, it's about us doing what we should be doing with our ability. We have a lot to lose and it should be acknowledged.

I honestly don't think we're playing to full potential with the ball in hand, we should have kept all of our opponents except NZ to much smaller totals. That really cost us in the England and Australia games where we should have had a better chance of chasing the total down.

What a player Shakib is. Player of the tournament.

I think he really wants to make this World Cup count. He's into his thirties and he probably wants a World Cup trophy (however difficult it might be) to show for his efforts over the years.
 

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Afghanistan went on from playing fearless cricket pre world cup to really fearful cricket in the world cup. Whatever politics happened before WC is really hurting them.
Completely agree with this. It all started with that stupid captaincy change right before the WC. Giving the captaincy to a completely new guy with no experience whatsoever killed the will to fight within their team. Not only, that Naib is chopping and changing the Afghan lineup way too much. Its really been something that has contributed to their demise this WC. Expected them to have challenged more teams like they did India. Something tells me that Rashid Khan has been too affected by this politics, just has been unable to look like a serious threat we know that he poses elsewhere. It's been a truly disappointing WC from Afghanistan.
 

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Bangladesh has an excellent batting lineup and spinners, only thing they are missing are couple of good fast bowlers. BCB needs to invest in finding and grooming good fast bowlers and only then they can consistently beat top teams.
On the other hand Afghanistan lack both in batting and in fast bowling. Their batsmen are more of the T20 style and they get bogged down in 50 overs.
 

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Just going to insert a post of mine that I wrote a few days ago. What do you guys think? @Bevab @SaiSrini @LiveLoveABD

Nice post @Aalay . Again just like you, I am also not very well versed with the South African domestic circuit and so dont have much opinions on the new guys who could come in. I definitely feel the likes of Klaasen needs to be inducted into the ODI side. Nothing wrong in having more than one wicketkeeper in the XI. India have started doing it now with Pant and Karthik in the squad along with Dhoni.
 

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You've got to say that Bangladesh have almost put Afghanistan out of this match. Such brilliant batting especially Mushfiqur Rahim !!! I think Bangladesh played way better then what India did. That is what happens when you have nothing to lose. Bangladesh don't care at all to lose to Afghanistan as they aren't a side that has achieved a lot in Cricket and the brand of fearless Cricket they play is just amazing !!

Don't agree with this at all. This is ridiculous actually

Bangladesh actually have a lot to lose. I'm pretty sure they did not come into this tournament to just compete but came in with the goal for securing a semi final spot. And they have the team to do so as well. Then losing to Afghanistan would definitely be an upset.

And I would even have started them as favorites against all teams except the current top 4. They pretty much acknowledged the same when the were disappointed thoroughly when their fixture against Sri lanka was washed out. They were targeting that game for 2 points and had to settled for just 1.

This BD side is very strong and is definitely well ahead of the likes of present day AFG, WI, SL

They could easily beat us as well if we make a couple of mistakes
 

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Just going to insert a post of mine that I wrote a few days ago. What do you guys think? @Bevab @SaiSrini @LiveLoveABD

If I’m correct, South Africa has two layers of domestic cricket. The higher level is the one with six franchises like the Aussie domestic system, while the lower level is filled with provincial teams. There is no promotion or relegation system.

Obviously, the lower level has an inferior quality of players and this skews their stats as they are considered in first class/list A stats too (not entirely sure of this though). So what happens in practice is, the average domestic player plays in these provincial sides until he is over 25-28 years of age, and then gets into his respective franchise team. There are exceptions to this of course, with players like Mulder who you would consider a prodigy making the franchise team before the age of 24.

While in theory this is supposed to work by providing experienced domestic players in their peak and the occasional prodigy, the presence of quotas and other factors means the quality might be diluted for one. Also, a player might dominate the provincial level for years but fail at the higher level after promotion due to a lack of proper exposure and stagnation during his formative years.

The team that you’ve listed is probably going to be the one that will be selected in the near future. However, there is no real young and upcoming talent that is yet to establish himself in the side with the exception of Mulder. This is where I think the likes of Malan, Fortuin and Potgieter could receive a lot more chances for now. By having them in and around the setup, you would be indicating to them that they are valued and will receive full support to establish themselves in the side if they play better than their competition. This is how you drive healthy selection battles.

By keeping them in the selector’s views, you would also lessen the risk of them being lured away by Kolpak deals. Once Brexit sets in, that door is permanently closed. As a result, there is bound to be increased interest from both players and clubs to finalize the last few deals. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a big recruitment drive with luxurious contracts heading the way of a few players. With this context, I would rather prefer to see 2-3 players around 28-30 years of age being enticed away by Kolpak deals rather than 5-6 24 year olds with plenty of years ahead of them. An example of a promising domestic batsman becoming a Kolpak player is Leus du Plooy, who is only 25 years of age and has already signed a Kolpak deal two months ago.


It is tough indeed to predict their future lineup given the selection restrictions they have in place. What I would like to see/will possibly happen are

  • Keep Faf as the captain at least until the WC next year, and groom Markram to take over after that.
  • Bring Maharaj into the playing XI like you’ve mentioned. The next 50 overs WC is in India and a finger spinner would be quite valuable there. I also don’t rate Shamsi very highly.
  • Give Klaasen and Theunis more chances obviously. Theunis can also roll his arm over a bit which adds to the bowling options.
  • Play Mulder at 6 to see if he can bat higher up the order if needed as that would mean there’s six genuine bowling options if needed. I don’t think he is a naturally aggressive player though, which could prove to be tricky.
  • Keep the current crop of players happy and motivated, they are good and will be much better with confidence.
  • Sack Ottis Gibson, his obsession with pace and green pitches has been detrimental to the development of the squad, most of their batsmen can barely play quality spin properly at the moment!
  • As previously mentioned, get younger players involved with the national team frequently.
 

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