India Team Discussion

[Targaryen]

If reports are to be believed Indian Team for T20 format will undergo transition as early as start of next year. Rohit and Virat will be asked to focus more on ODI and Tests and prepare for World Cup while Hardik to be leading the team in T20s. Rahul will be sacked from the T20 format and will be sent back to NCA. Pant to be Vice Captain in T20s.

Again, if reports are to be believed, Dravid Rohit & Kohli are asked to attend the meeting with BCCI to retrospect the T20 WC performance.

Seriously??? Why is Kohli asked to attend the meeting now when the people accountable should be Rohit and Team Management. If he is called for his seniority then they should not have done what they did in September Last Year. Ganguly has been kicked out for the way he handled that situation. Probably they could've avoided it atleast till this world cup so that they could blamed Kohli for the loss too.

 

[icyman]

Seriously??? Why is Kohli asked to attend the meeting now when the people accountable should be Rohit and Team Management. If he is called for his seniority then they should not have done what they did in September Last Year.

Is he oblivious to the happenings?
Kohli scored, but has adequate rest in the lead up to the WT20. His scoring pace was off, not at comparable with the major T20 sides. If Kohli wants to be a part of the team, he has to toe the line.

Another factor why he has been called- he is in the leadership group. Most of the strategizing was being done by Rohit, Virat and Dravid +Pandya. As a senior player, his inputs on how to take this team forth are solicited.

Kohli attending the meeting shouldn't raises eyebrows. If it does, then it is time to relook at the demi-God status that you/Kohli's die hard fans have accorded on him

 

[asprin]

Rahul will be sacked from the T20 format and will be sent back to NCA

If this turns out to be true, 10M for all active users in this thread.

 

[Targaryen]

Kohli scored, but has adequate rest in the lead up to the WT20

That 'Adequate' rest got him recover from his rough patch and score more runs and is highest run getting in the tournament. Take out his contribution, and team wouldn't even cross 100+ score in most of the games.

His scoring pace was off, not at comparable with the major T20 sides

That's who Virat Kohli is. If you see his T20 career (International + IPL) his strike rate is 129 in IPL and 137 in international matches. His scoring pace in this T20 WC was 137 which is normal for him. You can't expect him to turn Chris Gayle because he got that 'adequate' rest?

If Kohli wants to be a part of the team, he has to toe the line.

There are other 'senior' players who didn't perform at all. And Kohli who atleast tried is being asked to justify his position in the squad. Great.

Another factor why he has been called- he is in the leadership group. Most of the strategizing was being done by Rohit, Virat and Dravid +Pandya. As a senior player, his inputs on how to take this team forth are solicited.

Haven't seen a player being part of leadership group after being removed from the captaincy for being a terrible leader and not winning the ICC tournament. Though reasons given were different, all that has happened after that are questionable. Because the BCCI has just done opposite of what they said.

Kohli attending the meeting shouldn't raises eyebrows. If it does, then it is time to relook at the demi-God status that you/Kohli's die hard fans have accorded on him

What do you think? Sachin Tendulkar the God of Cricket was asked to attend such meetings in this entire career just because he he given the 'God of Cricket' status?

 

[Bigby Wolf]

Meanwhile.

 

[Neo 7]

View attachment 272807
Meanwhile.

Surya's wife :

 

[Bevab]

I’m the last person who would defend a player scoring runs at a slow rate but Kohli’s SR of 136 isn’t poor at all when you consider the circumstances that he batted in which include batting on tricky surfaces with one or both openers usually failing.

These are the list of top four players that had better strike rates than him in this tournament…

• SKY
• Finn Allen
• Rilee Roussouw (probably the Deshi century effect)
• Glenn Maxwell
• Quinton de Kock
• Alex Hales
• Mohammad Haris
• Jos Buttler
• Kusal Mendis
• Litton Das

Barring the last two everyone else is a known slogger and the last two included they’ve been given specific instructions to bat that way and are well suited to play that way too. It is now common knowledge that Dravid and the thinktank did not want the side to bat aggressively like they did prior to the tournament owing to the playing conditions. The only time Kohli did start aggressively he lost his wicket and left SKY alone to do the heavy lifting. India would have probably taken the twenty extra runs from Kohli at the cost of fifteen to even twenty deliveries as that ended up being a difference.

SKY’s freak performances have probably made everyone think that this should be the norm when it is the exception in this tournament and especially in our country. I agree on this needing to be more of the norm but it is unlikely in the near future unless we change policy in the U-17 and U-19 teams tomorrow. We can afford an accumulator like Kohli when he can also finish strongly as long as he offers the stability in exchange which to his credit he has done in T20I WCs. Once an aggressor like Shaw is brought back in and we return to playing aggressive cricket I’d even say it’s necessary. The only thing I’d like from him is to be more proactive rather than go at a run a ball like he did in the tournament. In the end though it all depends on how much workload he is willing to handle as this is his least favourite format and if it means we get a few more years of prime Kohli in the other two formats I’d gladly take it.

 

[icyman]

Haven't seen a player being part of leadership group after being removed from the captaincy for being a terrible leader and not winning the ICC tournament. Though reasons given were different, all that has happened after that are questionable. Because the BCCI has just done opposite of what they said.

Well, that's just the BCCI for you. To the naked eye, it did seem like Kohli and Rohit were actually deliberating moves in most of the games. Furthermore, if you look towards the next edition, do you still see him holding onto his place? I personally would want the team to move over Kohli. A point has been made in the thread with regards to the roles of a grafter/ accumulator. Having one in the side is necessary, but having one at the expense of a youngster isnt. Kohli being called upon to discuss his future- there's nothing wrong in it.

What do you think? Sachin Tendulkar the God of Cricket was asked to attend such meetings in this entire career just because he he given the 'God of Cricket' status?

SRT too had attended such meetings in the past. Notably, the one after the 2007 CWC exit. I really see no harm in calling out players if they have been out of form for long. The board wanting an honest discussion in this case is always welcome than shunting the player out just like that.

 

[Bevab]

And now you have Wasim Jaffer saying that SKY let the team down in big games. The best batsman of the tournament and the only one in this lineup playing aggressive cricket in a pressure situation apparently wasn't good enough. No wonder we produce only players who like to start slow and then score or turn exciting prospects into the former because our mentality has always been to stabilize first when world cricket is moving away from that style.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

And now you have Wasim Jaffer saying that SKY let the team down in big games. The best batsman of the tournament and the only one in this lineup playing aggressive cricket in a pressure situation apparently wasn't good enough. No wonder we produce only players who like to start slow and then score or turn exciting prospects into the former because our mentality has always been to stabilize first when world cricket is moving away from that style.

Stupid Jaffer

 

[icyman]

How true is this? I hope it isn't.

And now you have Wasim Jaffer saying that SKY let the team down in big games. The best batsman of the tournament and the only one in this lineup playing aggressive cricket in a pressure situation apparently wasn't good enough. No wonder we produce only players who like to start slow and then score or turn exciting prospects into the former because our mentality has always been to stabilize first when world cricket is moving away from that style.

Jaffer is right. SKY didn't deliver when it mattered the most. There have been some rumours swiveling that a middle order batsman was unhappy with the openers ,given the kind of starts we received. It does put some pressure on the middle-order.

 

[Bevab]

View attachment 272906
How true is this? I hope it isn't.



Jaffer is right. SKY didn't deliver when it mattered the most. There have been some rumours swiveling that a middle order batsman was unhappy with the openers ,given the kind of starts we received. It does put some pressure on the middle-order.

By this logic pretty much no one would have delivered when it mattered the most.

He was the sole star vs SA, played a crucial cameo in the Bangladesh game (one that we narrowly won in the end) and when it looked like we might give Zimbabwe a par total to chase he took the game away from them. Against England he could have played the Rashid over out but he did get off to a good start.

This is exactly the mentality that bemuses me though. We all want our side to play bold, fearless and modern T20 cricket like England and yet we criticise the most dynamic batter in our side because he didn’t give us the freak show in one game. I’ve seen all of the English batters go through rough patches which would have got them axed permanently in Indian setups long ago but the difference was that as long as they were showing intent they were backed without fear of them losing their place in the squad. This is the key to building such an outfit and even the voracious English media knows this where as our own ‘experts’ have no clue.

 

[wasteyouryouth]

By this logic pretty much no one would have delivered when it mattered the most.

He was the sole star vs SA, played a crucial cameo in the Bangladesh game (one that we narrowly won in the end) and when it looked like we might give Zimbabwe a par total to chase he took the game away from them. Against England he could have played the Rashid over out but he did get off to a good start.

This is exactly the mentality that bemuses me though. We all want our side to play bold, fearless and modern T20 cricket like England and yet we criticise the most dynamic batter in our side because he didn’t give us the freak show in one game. I’ve seen all of the English batters go through rough patches which would have got them axed permanently in Indian setups long ago but the difference was that as long as they were showing intent they were backed without fear of them losing their place in the squad. This is the key to building such an outfit and even the voracious English media knows this where as our own ‘experts’ have no clue.

SKY definitely isn't the problem with the Indian team.

 

[Bevab]

SKY definitely isn't the problem with the Indian team.

That’s the problem you get with having too many ‘experts’ around in the system. Everyone has an opinion and in order to standout and attract the masses each one must be more bizarre or outrageous to get attention. For how protective (obnoxiously so) the BCCI is of the outside world’s perception of it’s players and cricket to the point of paying off commentators to not speak ill of them both it is funny how much of a wild west it is inside the system where everyone’s allowed to have galaxy brain takes at will.

 

[wasteyouryouth]

That’s the problem you get with having too many ‘experts’ around in the system. Everyone has an opinion and in order to standout and attract the masses each one must be more bizarre or outrageous to get attention. For how protective (obnoxiously so) the BCCI is of the outside world’s perception of it’s players and cricket to the point of paying off commentators to not speak ill of them both it is funny how much of a wild west it is inside the system where everyone’s allowed to have galaxy brain takes at will.

Generally find Wasim Jaffer usually makes good points. Although they're usually counter points to Michael Vaughan so it's not difficult.