India Team Discussion

Now the T20I WC is about to end, I can't help but ponder over the plans (as far as T20Is is concerned) for the following players:

R. Sharma - Probably retire? Don't think he should be aiming for the next WC. However, somehow I feel he is gonna continue.
V. Kohli - He seems to have got his mojo back of late. Should definitely still be in reckoning for the next WC.
D. Karthik - Do not see him being picked for this format now. Would be surprised if that is not the case.
S. Dhawan - The guy should probably retire and save face.
K. Rahul - Please force this guy to retire Who am I kidding? He is the next captain

I think it's high time we induct P. Shaw into the playing XI. His game is best suited for this format and given that he is opener can make best use of the PP. It's shocking that he isn't even being considered for tours after the WC.
 
Now the T20I WC is about to end, I can't help but ponder over the plans (as far as T20Is is concerned) for the following players:

R. Sharma - Probably retire? Don't think he should be aiming for the next WC. However, somehow I feel he is gonna continue.
V. Kohli - He seems to have got his mojo back of late. Should definitely still be in reckoning for the next WC.
D. Karthik - Do not see him being picked for this format now. Would be surprised if that is not the case.
S. Dhawan - The guy should probably retire and save face.
K. Rahul - Please force this guy to retire Who am I kidding? He is the next captain

I think it's high time we induct P. Shaw into the playing XI. His game is best suited for this format and given that he is opener can make best use of the PP. It's shocking that he isn't even being considered for tours after the WC.

Dravid said it is too early to discuss the plans for senior players. And is now talking about test cricket after a humiliating loss in a T20 WC.
 
TBH , from now on I won't have any expectations from this Indian Team . This comes in my mind when Bishnoi isn't even in the squad for upcoming series against NZ & BAN (If I am correct) . And what makes it more sad that even Rohit & Dravid also do not want him ? Leave the ODIs , but atleast in T20I bilateral series ??

Gone are the days when you needed a traditional slow bowling spinner . Bishnoi is pacy just like Rashid ...
 
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Gotta say that it is funny to see all the hyperbolic reactions from everyone in the internet wanting the likes of Padikkal, Gaikwad and Gill in the T20I XI without realizing what type of players they truly are.
 
In hindsight, the we never really turned up at the tournament. It was somewhat similar to Indian teams on 1990's where defeating Pakistan was the only emotionally charged moment in an otherwise lax campaign. We nearly lost to Bangladesh and struggled vs SA. Reasons for this have been outlined very well by many posters in the WT20 thread.

Before we look to the future, we need to scrutinize a few elements:
1. What was Paddy Upton's role? Didnt seem to work for us at all. Haydos did a far better job with Pakistan instead.
2. @Bevab rightly pointed out that we tried way too many reserves in the lead up. We didnt' know about our best XI or even our 2nd XI (I am not sure whether they know it now as well). Blame the selectors? Do we need a new crop- Given the hype, it does seem many will be asked to leave
3. The aggressive attitude which was hyped up by the captain miraculously went missing. Dravid's selections ,strategies didnt work at all. Is he still the right person for the job?

I hope the BCCI does have a review. A team full of superstars ought to cross the KO hurdle atleast once in 10 years!

Few of My Suggestions:

Rahul Dravid:

Look at Dravid's role- is he still the right man for the job? The number of India caps and captains in the last one year has gone up considerably. This is not University/ Schoolboy cricket where you need to give each and every player a game. If this is the attitude he wants to hold at the highest level, maybe he is better off doing the U19 and India A/B teams.
The BCCI seems keen on having Dravid in the top role. To me, the tenures of Dravid and Greg Chappell seem very much similar here. The more I watch the Indian team under Dravid these days, the more convinced I am that Chappell was wronged back then. If Dravid needs to remain, make him Director of Cricekt, with all Indian teams+NCA reporting to him. He seems to do a better job in an office enviornment.

If not Dravid- then who?
1. Anil Kumble
2. Brendon McCullum
3. Mahela Jaywardena

Captains, Formats & Rotation:
Rohit is good, but cannot be your all format captain. He doesn't play each game and defeats the purpose of clarity among formats. Given the amount of cricket being played, we cannot have someone who can lead in all formats. Identify the players who can potentially captain and give them a free reign- Pandya, Gill, Iyer (try them, you have nothing to lose)

The seniors too are resting as though they are on the field 365*7. This needs to be looked at properly. Ask them which formats they intend to play. In the aftermath of this edition, I think Rohit, Virat, Ashwin DK Bhuvi ,Shami need to move on from this format. You cannot win 2024 unless you do so. Seniors also need to take a stance on the format they want to represent in- Rohit is a no-go for Test. Virat, can still play ODI. This ties into rotation as well.

Foreign Leagues;
Like it or not, we are getting left behind. Pakistan succeeds cause its players are globe trotting. india seemed to have no idea about how the Pakistan attack would look like on a surface like the one they played in Melbourne. The BCCI can always call back a player from one of these tournaments. Allow, the players to take part in Eng, SA, Aus league. Limit the participation to 1-2 leagues and maybe only allow the capped/ contracted ones to do so.

Talking about more on Indian Cricket, I would repeat the thing I said during last Asia Cup. Rohit Sharma isn't international cricket captaincy material. Perhaps Indian media and fans relied heavily on IPL victories under his leadership belt and that was a complete misjudgement. IPL and ICC tournaments? Both are different ball games, different pressure, Its a different cup of tea. Sharma always looks to me Panic in crunch situations. Exiling VK wasn't a wise decision I'd again say. I don't know who can be next captain from here but they need a New Captain and establish an stable lineup from here. Has Pandya captained any time before in the domestic circuit?

Responding here so as to not to cloud the WT20 thread with India related posts.

I disagree with your opinion here. Sharma seemed a good captain given the resources at his disposal. Yes, a few selection calls are quite dubious- like playing Pant, KLR, DK, Ashwin. Also carrying the likes of Harshal and Chahal only to have them carry drinks. Now, I do not know whether this is the captain's call or the coach's, but whosoever got it wrong, needs to own up.

I still believe in Sharma for the fact that he seems to get results. Agreed, the IPL is a different ball game, but nevertheless it has honed his captaincy skills to a large extent. Carrying this team to the KO in itself was an achievement, given the performances that were showcased against SA, Ban. Perhaps, a freer hand in team selection is required.

Sharma's Critique of the Team:
Lot of media and twitter personalities talking of how Sharma shouldn't have thrown the team under the bus. To me, it is fair. The points made by him are spot on. If they can handle IPL pressure, they can very do so in World Cup KOs.

Talks of the next captain- interesting to note how everyone has jumped the gun to Hardik, based off just 1 IPL trophy. He isnt a bad captain- actually, I felt a great deal of pro-activeness from him-something not seen since the time of Ganguly. If Hardik has to take over, he can do so for T20, which means the setup must be revamped. Clear the decks for a comprehensive upgrade. Select based on form, not reputation.
 
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In hindsight, the we never really turned up at the tournament. It was somewhat similar to Indian teams on 1990's where defeating Pakistan was the only emotionally charged moment in an otherwise lax campaign. We nearly lost to Bangladesh and struggled vs SA. Reasons for this have been outlined very well by many posters in the WT20 thread.

Before we look to the future, we need to scrutinize a few elements:
1. What was Paddy Upton's role? Didnt seem to work for us at all. Haydos did a far better job with Pakistan instead.
2. @Bevab rightly pointed out that we tried way too many reserves in the lead up. We didnt' know about our best XI or even our 2nd XI (I am not sure whether they know it now as well). Blame the selectors? Do we need a new crop- Given the hype, it does seem many will be asked to leave
3. The aggressive attitude which was hyped up by the captain miraculously went missing. Dravid's selections ,strategies didnt work at all. Is he still the right person for the job?

I hope the BCCI does have a review. A team full of superstars ought to cross the KO hurdle atleast once in 10 years!

Few of My Suggestions:

Rahul Dravid:

Look at Dravid's role- is he still the right man for the job? The number of India caps and captains in the last one year has gone up considerably. This is not University/ Schoolboy cricket where you need to give each and every player a game. If this is the attitude he wants to hold at the highest level, maybe he is better off doing the U19 and India A/B teams.
The BCCI seems keen on having Dravid in the top role. To me, the tenures of Dravid and Greg Chappell seem very much similar here. The more I watch the Indian team under Dravid these days, the more convinced I am that Chappell was wronged back then. If Dravid needs to remain, make him Director of Cricekt, with all Indian teams+NCA reporting to him. He seems to do a better job in an office enviornment.

If not Dravid- then who?
1. Anil Kumble
2. Brendon McCullum
3. Mahela Jaywardena

Captains, Formats & Rotation:
Rohit is good, but cannot be your all format captain. He doesn't play each game and defeats the purpose of clarity among formats. Given the amount of cricket being played, we cannot have someone who can lead in all formats. Identify the players who can potentially captain and give them a free reign- Pandya, Gill, Iyer (try them, you have nothing to lose)

The seniors too are resting as though they are on the field 365*7. This needs to be looked at properly. Ask them which formats they intend to play. In the aftermath of this edition, I think Rohit, Virat, Ashwin DK Bhuvi ,Shami need to move on from this format. You cannot win 2024 unless you do so. Seniors also need to take a stance on the format they want to represent in- Rohit is a no-go for Test. Virat, can still play ODI. This ties into rotation as well.

Foreign Leagues;
Like it or not, we are getting left behind. Pakistan succeeds cause its players are globe trotting. india seemed to have no idea about how the Pakistan attack would look like on a surface like the one they played in Melbourne. The BCCI can always call back a player from one of these tournaments. Allow, the players to take part in Eng, SA, Aus league. Limit the participation to 1-2 leagues and maybe only allow the capped/ contracted ones to do so.



Responding here so as to not to cloud the WT20 thread with India related posts.

I disagree with your opinion here. Sharma seemed a good captain given the resources at his disposal. Yes, a few selection calls are quite dubious- like playing Pant, KLR, DK, Ashwin. Also carrying the likes of Harshal and Chahal only to have them carry drinks. Now, I do not know whether this is the captain's call or the coach's, but whosoever got it wrong, needs to own up.

I still believe in Sharma for the fact that he seems to get results. Agreed, the IPL is a different ball game, but nevertheless it has honed his captaincy skills to a large extent. Carrying this team to the KO in itself was an achievement, given the performances that were showcased against SA, Ban. Perhaps, a freer hand in team selection is required.

Sharma's Critique of the Team:
Lot of media and twitter personalities talking of how Sharma shouldn't have thrown the team under the bus. To me, it is fair. The points made by him are spot on. If they can handle IPL pressure, they can very do so in World Cup KOs.

Talks of the next captain- interesting to note how everyone has jumped the gun to Hardik, based off just 1 IPL trophy. He isnt a bad captain- actually, I felt a great deal of pro-activeness from him-something not seen since the time of Ganguly. If Hardik has to take over, he can do so for T20, which means the setup must be revamped. Clear the decks for a comprehensive upgrade. Select based on form, not reputation.
From the info I have Brendon is heading to WI
 
I know McCullum is with England at the moment, but a BCCI contract can sway any person (except Graham Ford) tbh
 
@icyman

I think in respect to players playing overseas they should at the very least look at under-23 players doing it. Prithvi Shaw has great numbers but he's played all his cricket in India and UAE (one T20i in Colombo). Even if he had been picked for this tournament they wouldn't know if he's going to succeed on Australian pitches.

They could target it, give a chance to some youngsters to play in the CPL in prep for 2024.

Pakistan and England might be the teams that have had the most exposure to T20 cricket in Australia (even more than some Australians) so it's not that surprising to have seen them do well.
 
I mean, I get the BCCI trying to safeguard its own league- however, in the last few years we have seen only CA and BCCI having players play exclusively for IPL. The globe-trotters(Lynn) havent been given a longish run.

India needs to allow players to go out and get inishgts and perhaps be competitive. I understand the leagues are here to stay- how to manage them is a different uestions, but allow the players to do.
 
I mean, I get the BCCI trying to safeguard its own league- however, in the last few years we have seen only CA and BCCI having players play exclusively for IPL. The globe-trotters(Lynn) havent been given a longish run.

India needs to allow players to go out and get inishgts and perhaps be competitive. I understand the leagues are here to stay- how to manage them is a different uestions, but allow the players to do.
Just read the response from Dravid in which he stated that having Indian players in the overseas leagues will destroy their domestic cricket and I think he is right. West Indies are a prime example of this.

What India and other nations need to do is prioritize which format of cricket they want to do well in for the next decade. England seem to have prioritized on limited overs whist Australia are looking to rebuild a powerhouse test team.

Why not increase the amount of T20 games during international tours? The logistics of this are difficult I know.

I think the real issue is a management one though, including a psychological issue. They need to fix that first, the players need to get out of this rockstar type mentality. Rohit needs to go, put Kohli in the interim and put a youngster under him, doubt Kohli would accept it though, India lacked the killer instinct throughout this tournament that Kohli always instilled in the team.
 
Dravid said it is too early to discuss the plans for senior players. And is now talking about test cricket after a humiliating loss in a T20 WC
Dravid, I'm starting to feel, isn't the right choice for the national team. He was vital in the role of grooming the U19 cricketers, thereby creating a pool of players to pick from, and I feel he should stick to that. If I'm not wrong an ex-India player (from memory I think it was Wasim Jaffer) had shared the same sentiment when talks of Dravid as the national coach were making the rounds.

Step 1 of fixing a problem is identifying that you have one. From the interviews and statements made by Rohit, Dravid and Co, it appears that they have their heads buried in the sand.
 
What India and other nations need to do is prioritize which format of cricket they want to do well in for the next decade. England seem to have prioritized on limited overs whist Australia are looking to rebuild a powerhouse test team.

Why not increase the amount of T20 games during international tours? The logistics of this are difficult I know.

I think the real issue is a management one though, including a psychological issue. They need to fix that first, the players need to get out of this rockstar type mentality. Rohit needs to go, put Kohli in the interim and put a youngster under him, doubt Kohli would accept it though, India lacked the killer instinct throughout this tournament that Kohli always instilled in the team.

Agree on the prioritization. The BCCI though would face the concern of players wanting to play each format. The question then begs- how to prioritize and how to go about it. In all honesty, this means an overhaul of the coaching staff and that of the team as well. When Ajit Agarkar gave the interview for the Chief Selectors position, he did emphasize different teams for different approaches- this was then shot down.

In a country like India, the overwhelming onus is on the Cricket World Cup/ T20 World Cup. The public dont have the time to appreciate the finesse of Test matches (despite that we should have had the WTC crown). Focusing on one format would therefore be a bit difficult unless the players themselves are segregated into such structures.

Increasing the amount of T20 games is something I do not agree with. Given the leagues, I would, now tend to agree with Ravi Shastri over killing off T20i and only playing it in World Cups. Let the leagues take over.
 
@icyman fantastic long post! Wish I could agree with that more than once. Except for a few points but that's fine. :p

Dravid, I'm starting to feel, isn't the right choice for the national team. He was vital in the role of grooming the U19 cricketers, thereby creating a pool of players to pick from, and I feel he should stick to that. If I'm not wrong an ex-India player (from memory I think it was Wasim Jaffer) had shared the same sentiment when talks of Dravid as the national coach were making the rounds.

Step 1 of fixing a problem is identifying that you have one. From the interviews and statements made by Rohit, Dravid and Co, it appears that they have their heads buried in the sand.

I think Dravid's heart isn't completely in the role to be honest. I'm not gonna say he doesn't care as that would be absolutely false and disrespectful towards a legend of Indian cricket but it is clear that his ideal choice would have been to continue on whatever role he previously had as the head of NCA. Let's not forget that he refused the position of head coach at first and had to be convinced by Ganguly (a good friend of his no doubt) to accept it. Rumour is that he was on a contract that was expensive for someone in his previous backroom roles (not sure of how true it is) and the BCCI wanted him as the head coach because he was an 'in the house' appointment, a company man and someone they could exert control over (just like we all believed Ganguly would effect changes but failed to do so) alongside ensuring that his contract was financially viable now. It's also clear with the number of matches that he has missed leading to Laxman being the interim coach. A foreign coach or even one from outside the setup to an extent will bring forth differing ideologies and principles and it seems like they aren't quite ready for it. This just makes me fear how proactive they will be in adapting the team to future changes in cricket. We needed different format specialists 5-6 years ago and it seems we're only now getting around to that part. Coaches for different formats are something that the BCCI can afford and require at this stage.

Kumble is a terrible coach IMO, has done nothing successful in a while. Baz isn't going to leave his role with the England team this early. Baz is also someone who prefers control or a setup that allows him to operate with his strengths and have allies in key positions that he can work with and this setup isn't geared towards either. Jayawardene has just recently changed jobs and he's already juggling multiple roles. I don't see how or why he would be interested.

Truthfully it feels like being the Indian head coach is a poisoned chalice now where your chances of perceived success are reliant heavily on too many factors outside your control. It doesn't surprise me that many of the big name coaches just prefer to work with T20 franchises across the globe and serve as consultants with national sides on a temporary basis so that they get all the extra income possible, have a better schedule and escape the heat and pressure that comes with being the main man of a nation.
 
Agree on the prioritization. The BCCI though would face the concern of players wanting to play each format. The question then begs- how to prioritize and how to go about it. In all honesty, this means an overhaul of the coaching staff and that of the team as well. When Ajit Agarkar gave the interview for the Chief Selectors position, he did emphasize different teams for different approaches- this was then shot down.

In a country like India, the overwhelming onus is on the Cricket World Cup/ T20 World Cup. The public dont have the time to appreciate the finesse of Test matches (despite that we should have had the WTC crown). Focusing on one format would therefore be a bit difficult unless the players themselves are segregated into such structures.

Increasing the amount of T20 games is something I do not agree with. Given the leagues, I would, now tend to agree with Ravi Shastri over killing off T20i and only playing it in World Cups. Let the leagues take over.

Not sure if I can ever agree with this but it does seem the natural evolution of the game at the moment with your reference to league cricket, perhaps its the only way forward.
 
Well, with Dravid as coach, KLR as heir apparent, Sunil Joshi as selector and Binny as PRez, its a matter of time before this is picked up by the media
Yay! My favourite word 'Lobby'.
 

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