India Team Discussion

[grkrama]

took New Zealand to the wire.

im going to be a bit harsh here doesn't matter, they lost it too, like you say group stage or previous encounter doesn't matter like wise it doesn't matter whether you loose by 2 balls or 20 overs apart from emotional attachments with the game, they also won a knock out and lost a knockout just like india, aus and nz are different teams so you cant draw relativity lines between the two to bring a comparison of who is better here among the two who lost against those two, both IND and SA lost their knockouts, only way to have one of these two is have a third clash or go by much recent previous encounter.

the South Africa that played New Zealand would beat the India that played Australia.

im re-quoting this because just to state again you cant say how a teamA will perform against team C based on its performance against team B and team C's performance against TeamD.

Either have Team C vs Team A and find out or go by nearby past result.

 

[Aalay]

I don't think it's silly to think that being able to perform well in knockout matches matters in a tournament decided by knockout matches.

The point I am trying to make is that you don't only need to focus on knockout stages of the game because If you don't perform in the group stages, you are not even going to reach the knockout stages of the game. India clearly outplayed South Africa in terms of head to head and also overall in the group stages of the game. 109 runs win against Bangladesh is still pretty good I would say. Bangladesh played a much better game against India than what South Africa did. However, that doesn't mean that Bangladesh should be ranked above South Africa or does it?

 

[MattW]

im going to be a bit harsh here doesn't matter, they lost it too like you say group stage or previous encounter densest matter like wise it densest matter whether you loose by 2 balls or 20 overs apart from emotional attachments with the game they also won a knock out and lost a knockout just like india, different teams aus and nz so you cant draw relativity lines betwen two to bring a comparison of who is better here, both lost ony way to have one of these two is have a third clash or go by previous encounter.

I just can't look at the two semi-finals, and how badly India lost to Australia compared to how close SA got to NZ and focus on a group stage loss.

South Africa looked on the day like a side that could beat the world. India didn't. Therefore my personal conclusion is that the group stage match result is outweighed by how they performed in the totally different environment of a knockout semi-final.

The point I am trying to make is that you don't only need to focus on knockout stages of the game because If you don't perform in the group stages, you are not even going to reach the knockout stages of the game. India clearly outplayed South Africa in terms of head to head and also overall in the group stages of the game.

And my point is that you can place higher weight on performances in knockout matches in a tournament decided by knockout matches.

109 runs win against Bangladesh is still pretty good I would say. Bangladesh played a much better game against India than what South Africa did. However, that doesn't mean that Bangladesh should be ranked above South Africa or does it?

The context I would take from that is that when Bangladesh had their tournament on the line, they pulled out everything they had - which is what you need to do in knockout matches, step up and bring your best game.

It would be quite a good argument for saying Bangladesh had a better tournament than Sri Lanka, despite the result of their head to head - because by comparison, Sri Lanka didn't even come close to being a challenge for South Africa.

 

[SaiSrini]

So basically, the margin of defeat (yes they still lost it) in a knockout match matters more than India's entire tournament record + their massive victory in the head to head clash vs South Africa? What next? Looks like non-Indian fans will next resort to "who wins the toss in a high pressure knockout game will be called the best captain" thing.

South Africa got all the emotions towards the end because of all the sympathy that they have miserably underperformed in ICC tournaments to the point where people have now started sympathizing with them. It showed in them. Their tears, their emotions showed how desperate they are to win an ICC tournament. But that doesn't make them a better team. Among the four semifinalist, South Africa have had the worst WC run. The only decent team that they beat were Sri Lanka. All other decent to good teams they faced, they were either thrashed or were defeated. They were thrashed by India and Pakistan. Despite having a "so-called" gun bowling attack, they let New Zealand sneak a victory against them.

Purely for the reputation of the SAF players, they are being called "No 3" in this WC which is ridiculous.

 

[Biggs]

Actually, I'll revise my rankings and put India at 6th and Afghanistan at 5th because, reasons. Afghanistan. AFGHANISTAN!! What a World Cup they had. Give them eleventy ranking points and shove em ahead of all the other cashed up show pony nations.

 

[themusketeer]

End of the day , Australia champions and India losers. (Maaf kardo bhai).

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After the final, a lot of tears will be shed after Aus wins the trophy for the 5th time.NZ have to live with [HASHTAG]#NoWCsYet[/HASHTAG]. They have been purely lucky to reach till Finals . Aussies almost kicked them in group match (Lol cant even chase 150). They struggled against Scotts and Bangladesh almost made 300 against this ridiculous bowling attack. I dont think they will win against mighty aussies and it will be a one sided Final.

 

[Aalay]

So Duncan Fletcher's contract is not being renewed by BCCI which means we will be having a new coach for the Bangladesh series in June. Also there are rumours that Ravi Shastri might retain his position as the managing director of the team.

 

[SaiSrini]

So Duncan Fletcher's contract is not being renewed by BCCI which means we will be having a new coach for the Bangladesh series in June. Also there are rumours that Ravi Shastri might retain his position as the managing director of the team.

Yes. Recently, the newly appointed BCCI secretary Anurag Thakur said that they need to start looking out for a new coach.

I wish they relieve Shastri and find a proper/strong replacement for Fletcher. A better bowling coach would also be good. Arun has done well, but a more specialist bowling coach would be good

 

[themusketeer]

Get Wasim Akram as a bowling coach.

 

[PokerAce]

Whats with ranking India 4th. All cos SA lost a close one to NZ while Aus had a convincing win over Ind. What are ppl smoking here.

India lost just 1, SA lost 3.
Also lets not forget, India and SA played each other and India embarrassed (no other word, sry) SA by over a 100 runs.

Ind>SA for sure, and 3rd.

Even NZ got hammered by AUs, much worse than India to be honest, on an even bigger stage, so should we now start placing them below Afghanistan, as some Einstein has done above for India.

The Hard on Some ppl have on here for India, never ceases to amaze me.

 

[harishankar]

India had just one indifferent game with the ball and lost the semi final. Chasing 328 is a big challenge even against lesser bowling attacks. If I have to be hypercritical, I would have liked the batting to be more innovative and fearless, but I suspect the result would not have different in any case.

Let us admit: India lost to an overwhelmingly powerful Australian batting side. Even then, we lost mostly because of the last few overs with the ball when Mitchell Johnson took the Australian score up to 328 from 290 to 300 odd.

India were clearly the third best side in the tournament. South Africa choked as usual in a close game, enhancing their notoriety in the World Cup.

 

[Satan666]

Supreme Court orders TNCA to demolish three Chepauk stands - Cricbuzz

 

[Aalay]

This is good for Pujara. He will be playing in division 1 so his technique will be properly tested which got exposed in UK last year. I hope he can perform well.

Yorkshire sign Cheteshwar Pujara after Younis Khan pulls out | Cricket | ESPN Cricinfo

 

[SaiSrini]

This is good for Pujara. He will be playing in division 1 so his technique will be properly tested which got exposed in UK last year. I hope he can perform well.

Yorkshire sign Cheteshwar Pujara after Younis Khan pulls out | Cricket | ESPN Cricinfo

Hope this works out well for Pujara.

 

[harishankar]

This could be the career move that might make Pujara our new Dravid. We desperately need solid batsmen in overseas conditions. Let us wait and see...